Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

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Jesus Christ, @Adamska giving EVS shit doesn't mean he's anti-CG or whatever. It means he's giving EVS shit. Which is kinda deserved since he gets into a lot of dumb internet slapfights and prolongs a lot of drama that would probably peter out if he didn't. It actually killed my interest in watching the streams because I'm honestly tired of them because it turned it them just taking shots at Mike, Doug, Edwin and whoever else he has beef with that day. People can say this is having no effect on CG, but remember Ya Boi said something along the lines that every time someone loudly distances themselves from a creator or comic, there are a bunch of others who silently do the same. Something CG creators should keep in mind.
 
So you‘re mad because he turned Cyberfrog into a business. If people want to buy his comics then they will no matter how many times he puts it out since there is obviously demand for it. No one is forcing the customer to whip his or her credit card and back his campaigns. They do it because they believe in CG and they like his product.

As for Order of the Stick, I’ve never heard of him once talking about that book. If anything, that should be an inspiration for him to beat that number.

Face it, CG is doing big things and haters like you are only fueling that progress.

ORDER OF THE STICK is a KickStarter campaign for a comic book about stick figures from 2012. Between then and 2018, it's raised $1.25M dollars.

Some people like to point out that CYBERFROG: BLOODHONEY isn't the biggest crowdfunded comic ever, because there's still ORDER OF THE STICK.

Well, sure. OK. I'm about $150,000 from that mark. I'll bet we pass it this year!
 
Jesus Christ, @Adamska giving EVS shit doesn't mean he's anti-CG or whatever. It means he's giving EVS shit. Which is kinda deserved since he gets into a lot of dumb internet slapfights and prolongs a lot of drama that would probably peter out if he didn't. It actually killed my interest in watching the streams because I'm honestly tired of them because it turned it them just taking shots at Mike, Doug, Edwin and whoever else he has beef with that day. People can say this is having no effect on CG, but remember Ya Boi said something along the lines that every time someone loudly distances themselves from a creator or comic, there are a bunch of others who silently do the same. Something CG creators should keep in mind.
Pretty much. At this point I might just say pound sand and not any of his products. Not just because of these antics I don't like because I think it inhibits his execution.

But it's also because this is the response I get from people who act essentially like the twats who pretended to like TLJ because I didn't like things. How dare I think the slapfight looks stupid, embarrassing, and reminds me of another movement that was rife with them.

You stupid bastards are pushing away potential buyers with these slapfights, just like the "tardposters" pushed people away from shitting on Ethan.
ORDER OF THE STICK is a KickStarter campaign for a comic book about stick figures from 2012. Between then and 2018, it's raised $1.25M dollars.

Some people like to point out that CYBERFROG: BLOODHONEY isn't the biggest crowdfunded comic ever, because there's still ORDER OF THE STICK.

Well, sure. OK. I'm about $150,000 from that mark. I'll bet we pass it this year!
And there's some nice circumstantial evidence. Still, you do you.
 
Pretty much. At this point I might just say pound sand and not any of his products. Not just because of these antics I don't like because I think it inhibits his execution.

But it's also because this is the response I get from people who act essentially like the twats who pretended to like TLJ because I didn't like things. How dare I think the slapfight looks stupid, embarrassing, and reminds me of another movement that was rife with them.

You stupid bastards are pushing away potential buyers with these slapfights, just like the "tardposters" pushed people away from shitting on Ethan.

And there's some nice circumstantial evidence. Still, you do you.

aren‘t you going to give the guy who authored Order of the Stick shit for doing the same thing you claim EVS is doing? I mean, he’s only been doing for 6 years compared to EVS’s year and a half.
 
Brag all you want, but your gay movement peaked; it's now dying like Gamergate, and this condescension just accelerates it.

Comicsgate has been on a rapid downswing since Zack disowned it. Ever since he said it was dumb and shut down his twitter it’s been endless gay-ops and infighting. Drawn & Quartered doesn’t pull more than 1000 viewers anymore, Cecil had to dredge up three arguably more interesting people to appear consistently on his channel to prop himself up, and nobody gives a shit about TUG and YF. The biggest names like Ethan, and, much as it pains me to say, Zack have their channels stagnating. Twitter SJWs barely have anything to say about CG anymore because it’s been walled off and quarantined because they know if they keep their mouths shut, it won’t get any bigger.
 
aren‘t you going to give the guy who authored Order of the Stick shit for doing the same thing you claim EVS is doing? I mean, he’s only been doing for 6 years compared to EVS’s year and a half.
Tu qoque to dig yourself out of your grave of poisoning me to buying anything else from Ethan. Nice attempt.

That guy doesn't regularly get involved in slapfights and he delivered at the least for over 15 years. Also don't have people like you give me amazing pitches for why I should NOT buy his book.
 
ORDER OF THE STICK is a KickStarter campaign for a comic book about stick figures from 2012. Between then and 2018, it's raised $1.25M dollars.

Some people like to point out that CYBERFROG: BLOODHONEY isn't the biggest crowdfunded comic ever, because there's still ORDER OF THE STICK.

Well, sure. OK. I'm about $150,000 from that mark. I'll bet we pass it this year!

But it wont be legitimate! Or something. (those damn goalposts just won't stay still) That book didn't have all the free advertizing you got from Renfamous, SJW Spiderman, The Comic Book Hut, Doug, Mike, Preston and all those fine upstanding warriors for social justice. So it's not FAIRRRRRRR!!!!!! (They'll get you and your little dog too!)

You know, you really should thank them with a nice tube of Preperation H. Afterall, their assmad, butthurt screeching helped make that supposedly poor/bad/boring/unpopular book of yours sell pretty well.

FIX THIS NOW ETHAN! I'M OFF TO FRANCE!
Your pal,
Basset

Comicsgate has been on a rapid downswing since Zack disowned it. Ever since he said it was dumb and shut down his twitter it’s been endless gay-ops and infighting. Drawn & Quartered doesn’t pull more than 1000 viewers anymore, Cecil had to dredge up three arguably more interesting people to appear consistently on his channel to prop himself up, and nobody gives a shit about TUG and YF. The biggest names like Ethan, and, much as it pains me to say, Zack have their channels stagnating. Twitter SJWs barely have anything to say about CG anymore because it’s been walled off and quarantined because they know if they keep their mouths shut, it won’t get any bigger.

Ah...Zak was on Comicsgate live with EVS and the rest of the crew, Warcampaign guys included, two whole nights ago. He never disavowed/disowned Comicsgate. Ever.
 
Ah...Zak was on Comicsgate live with EVS and the rest of the crew, Warcampaign guys included, two whole nights ago. He never disavowed/disowned Comicsgate. Ever.

He did several months ago in a video that I believe has since been privated or deleted. It could just be buried under a mountain of content but when you have so many videos between these people, keywords will only help you find so may relevant results.

Anyway, shortly after he said he thought it was dumb and only intended it to be temporary he got a stern talking to on a stream with EVS. Since then he’s paid only the most mild deference to the hashtag, but still almost never mentions it.
 
He did several months ago in a video that I believe has since been privated or deleted. It could just be buried under a mountain of content but when you have so many videos between these people, keywords will only help you find so may relevant results.

Anyway, shortly after he said he thought it was dumb and only intended it to be temporary he got a stern talking to on a stream with EVS. Since then he’s paid only the most mild deference to the hashtag, but still almost never mentions it.

No he didn't. The idea Zak, 'disavowed' comicsgate is ridiculous. Zak isn't getting stern talking to's by EVS or anyone. When he quit twitter he's on record and states it often as it being 1: due to taking up and wasting his time and 2: tired of SJW bullshit/stressing him out. Any issues he's had with CG drama has not remotely come close to disavowing CG.
 
Comicsgate has been on a rapid downswing since Zack disowned it. Ever since he said it was dumb and shut down his twitter it’s been endless gay-ops and infighting. Drawn & Quartered doesn’t pull more than 1000 viewers anymore, Cecil had to dredge up three arguably more interesting people to appear consistently on his channel to prop himself up, and nobody gives a shit about TUG and YF. The biggest names like Ethan, and, much as it pains me to say, Zack have their channels stagnating. Twitter SJWs barely have anything to say about CG anymore because it’s been walled off and quarantined because they know if they keep their mouths shut, it won’t get any bigger.

when has Zack ever disowned CG? Drawn and Quartered is anti CG, that’s why it lost a shit ton of viewers aside from it being boring as fuck. People keep saying that CG is dying, but yet CG campaigns keep getting funded and stay making five figures. Two of which are about to hit six figures. How is CG dying? Yeah the anti CG crowd is growing, but you need the haters to get that free advertising.

Its better to be CG than Anti CG as evidenced by Mike and Doug’s sales. You will see more proof of that when the Maganificent 7 and Bigfoot Bill 2 get launched. Preston can’t even sell a thousand books on His campaigns so he has to go to cons to sell off his stock.
 
Imagine how deep in the CG echo chamber you'd have to be to try pulling "You said Ethan gets into gay slapfights online all the time instead of producing more than one (1) comic book every two years. That sounds like something an SJW deplatformer like SJW Spider-Man or Renfamous would say. That means you're an SJW" off as a legitimate argument.
 
Cool, putting words in people's mouths and then dismissing in some cases actual problems by putting them with the stupid ones.

See, this is why I bite both ways in this thread.
@Adamska, that's really good feedback. It really make me think, I took a couple days for self-reflection to consider your points.

You are right, it's probably not fair for me to make observations about the complaints about CG.

Most of the complaints are abstract polemics that don't really communicate much besides the fact the speaker is very, very angry about something. It's really hard to sort out why the person is so angry, except in a general sense that's usually to the side of the actual subject. Ultimately, there's no point to it, figuring out what started the whole mess leads to massive disappointment.

Like when Doug was saying CG is just a bunch of anti-Christians. The basis for that claim was that CG refused to disavow a group of people, which isn't exactly the same as being against a religion. By turning it into an either-or, an issue was created for him to yell about. Doesn't matter that the whole argument is shit, he fell all over himself repeating it thousands of times. It took a lot of time to figure out what he was yelling about, in the end it was just stupid faggotry that made him the object of his own hatred. He needs to remember YouTube is HD, his streams allow everyone can see the dried semen flecks in that disgusting beard.

So I wanted to suggest a better course, there are ways to run whisper campaigns that aren't stupid and it's hard not to notice you doing the same thing. Instead of making the world think everyone on the Farms is as dick-in-the-ass flamboyant as all that, we focus on attacking Ethan Van Sciver in a way that's immediately recognizable, easy to understand, and hurtful to him and his loved ones. I thought of a few examples that could help you in your bitching:

1) Attack the Name: call him Ephan Man Giner instead of using the acronym. Acronyms are cool, calling someone a vagina is not. Repeating that a few thousand times would stick more than anything you have said in this thread.

2) Attack the Children: suggest things about his children. Ethan loves his kids and will want to protect them. Get deeply personal about their intelligence and behaviors, you can be derailing entire crowdfunding campaigns and finally win your war against CG.

3) Attack the Hygiene: when you meet him in person, EVS has a faint smell of cheese and talcum powder. That comes from somewhere. More people would remember a complaint about his pit stench than some missed deadline he failed to respond to after saying something in a video 2 years ago. Bread and butter issues matter more than the gospel.

4) Attack Jersey: Jersey is disgusting and you can say anything you want about it and people will believe you. Put that together with other attacks and things will stick.

Here's an example. If you said things like this, you might have a way to actually hurt Comicsgate.

"Ran into Ethan Van Sciver driving home to Philly. Had to park behind the restaurant and there was this guy, he was huge, picking through the garbage looking for something to eat. He came over to me, it was him, Ethan. He said he was trying to get back home, his son needed some gas. There was this kid standing in front of a beat up muscle car, wearing short shorts and a midriff, and Ethan said he would do anything for some gas money, you just have to go over and talk to him. I asked if he was Ethan, he asked if I want to make something of it. His breath smelled so bad, like rancid fruit wine. I told him I thought he made all this money off Comicsgate, he said, you know, this is the buy in for all those creators. They have to give a little to get on the show. It was disgusting, only in Jersey."

You share enough stories like that and it stops the Farms from looking as bad as the anti-Comicsgaters. I don't have a problem with Ethan, I really just want people to get the job done. If the point is to wreck CG and take him down a couple notches, do it. But stop dicking around with stupid angry man arguments, there's never any truth to them and it makes us all sound weak.
 
Might
Imagine how deep in the CG echo chamber you'd have to be to try pulling "You said Ethan gets into gay slapfights online all the time instead of producing more than one (1) comic book every two years. That sounds like something an SJW deplatformer like SJW Spider-Man or Renfamous would say. That means you're an SJW" off as a legitimate argument.
Might wanna reread the post there sport. You missed a lot of it.
 
To clear things up, Meyer never disavowed or denounced Comicsgate, but he has criticized the strategy of "Comicsgate as a hashtag", the idea of "identifying as Comicsgate" or Comicsgate as a rallying flag in the online culture wars and tool for leveraging e-celeb shit into cash; instead of his conceptualization of it as purely a theory of marketing and producing indie comic books and sidestepping the gatekeepers of the direct market between creator and consumer. He's opted out of most of CG's activities as a "movement" and thus its most obnoxious, off-putting and self-destructive tendencies and he has been rewarded with success.

Ethan is both very determined and very talented in seemingly anything he sets himself out to do, but does not have the gift for articulating theses and developing fully formed ideas that Zack does. It's a bit weird to describe a guy who files all said theses in the form of "phone pointed at my crotch while I yell at a comic book" as possessing intellectual rigor, but there you go. EVS finds himself in a so far unique position where he's the only person able to both personally create a professional quality comic book and gather large audiences as an entertainer, but in the process of realizing Zack's theory has introduced a bunch of things in the practical matter of actually realizing and developing a dedicated consumer base, like the internet bloodsports and capitalizing on outrage culture and e-celebrity stuff. And theory often conflicts with the demands of day to day reality.

Add to this guys like TenNapel, Jon Del Arroz and Mike Miller, who are understandably far more motivated by being actively blacklisted from their profession for having illberal beliefs over something like systematic defects in the direct market model of selling comics like what Zack is about.

But you could also argue that Ethan's generous providing of his platform for Zack's crowdfunds gives him the luxury of not having to rely on those methods himself.
 
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To clear things up, Meyer never disavowed or denounced Comicsgate, but he has criticized the strategy of "Comicsgate as a hashtag", the idea of "identifying as Comicsgate" or Comicsgate as a rallying flag in the online culture wars and tool for leveraging e-celeb shit into cash; instead of his conceptualization of it as purely a theory of marketing and producing indie comic books and sidestepping the gatekeepers of the direct market between creator and consumer. He's opted out of most of CG's activities as a "movement" and thus its most obnoxious, off-putting and self-destructive tendencies and he has been rewarded with success.

Ethan is both very determined and very talented in seemingly anything he sets himself out to do, but does not have the gift for articulating theses and developing fully formed ideas that Zack does. It's a bit weird to describe a guy who files all said theses in the form of "phone pointed at my crotch while I yell at a comic book" as possessing intellectual rigor, but there you go. EVS finds himself in a so far unique position where he's the only person able to both personally create a professional quality comic book and gather large audiences as an entertainer, but in the process of realizing Zack's theory has introduced a bunch of things in the practical matter of actually realizing and developing a dedicated consumer base, like the internet bloodsports and capitalizing on outrage culture and e-celebrity stuff.

But you could also argue that Ethan's generous providing of his platform for Zack's crowdfunds gives him the luxury of not having to rely on those methods himself.

I'd say he certainly hasnt been balls deep in the drama end, but he regularly appears on CG Live, is a fan of Cecil and a business partner with Jon Malin etc. So he's avoided a lot of the BS that has gone along with the drama, but he's benefiting and being hurt by whatever comicsgate is/does etc, just like everyone else.
 
@Adamska, that's really good feedback. It really make me think, I took a couple days for self-reflection to consider your points.

You are right, it's probably not fair for me to make observations about the complaints about CG.

Most of the complaints are abstract polemics that don't really communicate much besides the fact the speaker is very, very angry about something. It's really hard to sort out why the person is so angry, except in a general sense that's usually to the side of the actual subject. Ultimately, there's no point to it, figuring out what started the whole mess leads to massive disappointment.

Like when Doug was saying CG is just a bunch of anti-Christians. The basis for that claim was that CG refused to disavow a group of people, which isn't exactly the same as being against a religion. By turning it into an either-or, an issue was created for him to yell about. Doesn't matter that the whole argument is shit, he fell all over himself repeating it thousands of times. It took a lot of time to figure out what he was yelling about, in the end it was just stupid faggotry that made him the object of his own hatred. He needs to remember YouTube is HD, his streams allow everyone can see the dried semen flecks in that disgusting beard.

So I wanted to suggest a better course, there are ways to run whisper campaigns that aren't stupid and it's hard not to notice you doing the same thing. Instead of making the world think everyone on the Farms is as dick-in-the-ass flamboyant as all that, we focus on attacking Ethan Van Sciver in a way that's immediately recognizable, easy to understand, and hurtful to him and his loved ones. I thought of a few examples that could help you in your bitching:

1) Attack the Name: call him Ephan Man Giner instead of using the acronym. Acronyms are cool, calling someone a vagina is not. Repeating that a few thousand times would stick more than anything you have said in this thread.

2) Attack the Children: suggest things about his children. Ethan loves his kids and will want to protect them. Get deeply personal about their intelligence and behaviors, you can be derailing entire crowdfunding campaigns and finally win your war against CG.

3) Attack the Hygiene: when you meet him in person, EVS has a faint smell of cheese and talcum powder. That comes from somewhere. More people would remember a complaint about his pit stench than some missed deadline he failed to respond to after saying something in a video 2 years ago. Bread and butter issues matter more than the gospel.

4) Attack Jersey: Jersey is disgusting and you can say anything you want about it and people will believe you. Put that together with other attacks and things will stick.

Here's an example. If you said things like this, you might have a way to actually hurt Comicsgate.

"Ran into Ethan Van Sciver driving home to Philly. Had to park behind the restaurant and there was this guy, he was huge, picking through the garbage looking for something to eat. He came over to me, it was him, Ethan. He said he was trying to get back home, his son needed some gas. There was this kid standing in front of a beat up muscle car, wearing short shorts and a midriff, and Ethan said he would do anything for some gas money, you just have to go over and talk to him. I asked if he was Ethan, he asked if I want to make something of it. His breath smelled so bad, like rancid fruit wine. I told him I thought he made all this money off Comicsgate, he said, you know, this is the buy in for all those creators. They have to give a little to get on the show. It was disgusting, only in Jersey."

You share enough stories like that and it stops the Farms from looking as bad as the anti-Comicsgaters. I don't have a problem with Ethan, I really just want people to get the job done. If the point is to wreck CG and take him down a couple notches, do it. But stop dicking around with stupid angry man arguments, there's never any truth to them and it makes us all sound weak.
A longwinded and very condescending take on my words because you don't like hearing them. Also shows similar signs of thinking people who disagree with you think the same, a projection in this case.

Such a good sales pitch, reminds me of the masterful work that Charlie's Angels and Terminator: Dark Fate did right here with the average consumer. I'll make sure to cancel my copy of Reignbow Brute and suggest to the gang that you three were the commissioners behind that.

Also nice theft of Zack's agency and ability you clique-riddled faggots; totally claim his own success for your own.
 
A longwinded and very condescending take on my words because you don't like hearing them. Also shows similar signs of thinking people who disagree with you think the same, a projection in this case.

Such a good sales pitch, reminds me of the masterful work that Charlie's Angels and Terminator: Dark Fate did right here with the average consumer. I'll make sure to cancel my copy of Reignbow Brute and suggest to the gang that you three were the commissioners behind that.

Also nice theft of Zack's agency and ability you clique-riddled faggots; totally claim his own success for your own.
You know, using words like "Zak's AGENCY" is yet another thing the SJWs do. Always worried about 'agency' ...20 years ago it was 'Issues'. All these buzzwords seem to attract the same types of people. But you sure check some specific boxes pretty frequently.

Lets be real. What normal people talk about some dude's 'agency' like he was some precious flower instead of a combat vet?
 
I'd say he certainly hasnt been balls deep in the drama end, but he regularly appears on CG Live, is a fan of Cecil and a business partner with Jon Malin etc. So he's avoided a lot of the BS that has gone along with the drama, but he's benefiting and being hurt by whatever comicsgate is/does etc, just like everyone else.
No doubt. Meyer obviously has no problem associating with, befriending or collaborating with people "involved in Comicsgate". But if he was anyone else but YBZ, he would have failed the purity tests that have been built up with the "Comicsgate" label, because he doesn't discuss "Comicsgate" in his videos, doesn't promote CG books in his vids, market his books as Comicsgate and doesn't identify as a Comicsgate creator. Not because he rejects the label but that he rejects that there is a label in the first place. But he does show up on CG livestreams, as you say. Like I said, to him CG is purely a theory for marketing and selling comics and he absolutely holds to that definition. It's not like he's aggressively pushing this opinion on people who disagree.

What I'm getting at is the answer to whether "is X Comicsgate or not?" is actually extremely subjective to the person asking the question.
 
To be a little fair, there was an attempt last month. A hilariously poor attempt, but an attempt nonetheless. The little weirdo disappeared after that thread too. And not gonna lie, but I'm coming around more and more to that idea of "haters" making acconts and sperging harder than EVS has ever done to deflect criticisms because someone competent should made a decent thread by now if they gave a shit. There's certainly enough dumb drama to pull from the CG thread alone. That or he's just lucky enough to be intensely hated by a bunch of morons that do more damage to themselves than their actual target


More or less my conclusion.

Ah...Zak was on Comicsgate live with EVS and the rest of the crew, Warcampaign guys included, two whole nights ago. He never disavowed/disowned Comicsgate. Ever.

definitely Warcampaign

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Okay, Imma assume you actually are CG people. Get this thru your skulls. We. Aren't. Your. Enemies. All your doing is trying to provide the worst impression of comiksgate.

this whole board is tribalistic we have anti CG and CG and here you are taking shots at both sides. As for his product being meh, he sure gets a whole lot of fan art and customers clamoring for his product. I don’t see any other indie comic getting that much attention, with the exception of The Expendables right now.

Again, I don't think you understand what that word means. To be anti anything requires a level of passion or effort comiksgate doesn't really deserve. Mostly your talking to the Swiss looking on as you slap one another.

ORDER OF THE STICK is a KickStarter campaign for a comic book about stick figures from 2012. Between then and 2018, it's raised $1.25M dollars.

Some people like to point out that CYBERFROG: BLOODHONEY isn't the biggest crowdfunded comic ever, because there's still ORDER OF THE STICK.

Well, sure. OK. I'm about $150,000 from that mark. I'll bet we pass it this year!

Frog, your just going to keep that campaign going and count life times sells aren't you?

Your bar shouldn't be someone else. It should be yourself. How's your next project going to do?
 
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To clear things up, Meyer never disavowed or denounced Comicsgate, but he has criticized the strategy of "Comicsgate as a hashtag", the idea of "identifying as Comicsgate" or Comicsgate as a rallying flag in the online culture wars and tool for leveraging e-celeb shit into cash; instead of his conceptualization of it as purely a theory of marketing and producing indie comic books and sidestepping the gatekeepers of the direct market between creator and consumer. He's opted out of most of CG's activities as a "movement" and thus its most obnoxious, off-putting and self-destructive tendencies and he has been rewarded with success.

Ethan is both very determined and very talented in seemingly anything he sets himself out to do, but does not have the gift for articulating theses and developing fully formed ideas that Zack does. It's a bit weird to describe a guy who files all said theses in the form of "phone pointed at my crotch while I yell at a comic book" as possessing intellectual rigor, but there you go. EVS finds himself in a so far unique position where he's the only person able to both personally create a professional quality comic book and gather large audiences as an entertainer, but in the process of realizing Zack's theory has introduced a bunch of things in the practical matter of actually realizing and developing a dedicated consumer base, like the internet bloodsports and capitalizing on outrage culture and e-celebrity stuff. And theory often conflicts with the demands of day to day reality.
The relationship between EVS and YBZ reminds me a lot of Johnny Carson and Carl Sagan.

Both of them were entertainers, they had very different audiences. When you brought them together, it was some of the most entertaining television. They could talk about anything and it would just crack you up.

The two of them have very different approaches to the Culture War. Both are necessary for the other to exist. For Sagan, he went on Carson to promote Cosmos, but also this way of thinking about the importance of skepticism and scientific inquiry. Carson was reading notes out of envelopes. They both gave the other a certain kind of legitimacy, it meant they were both in the club.

A longwinded and very condescending take on my words because you don't like hearing them. Also shows similar signs of thinking people who disagree with you think the same, a projection in this case.

Such a good sales pitch, reminds me of the masterful work that Charlie's Angels and Terminator: Dark Fate did right here with the average consumer. I'll make sure to cancel my copy of Reignbow Brute and suggest to the gang that you three were the commissioners behind that.
Yeah, it's not a sales pitch. I'm just sick of people bitching in ways no one cares about.

The most memorable quote from Comicsgate was calling Heather Antos a cum dumpster. Everyone was thinking it, probably more diplomatically, but Zack is the one who said it. That phrase became the source of much division and is probably the reason Marvel turned on her. Sluts have a hard time hanging onto power.

The phrase would not have matter at all except that it stuck. All I am saying is, if you are really trying to take CG down a peg, hit them with things that hurt. These big, angry, obtuse arguments no one can get to the bottom of, they don't do anything. Mike and Doug are learning that, they're going to be illustrating Highlights magazine under assumed names before long.

Ethan's a lot harder to peg than Antos. He has a lot of credibility and a big audience. If you really want to hurt him, it has to be anecdotes he can't refute directly but keep a place in people's minds. Another example:

"Remember that time Ethan's dentures fell out on stream? You could see the holes where his teeth used to be. I knew he had problems with drugs in Florida, never knew it was that bad. When his wife left him it was because the kids were getting into his stash, would hate to see what his son looks like now. And to think he moved to Jersey for rehab - that place has more dealers than cars."

CG has evolved, like any business, it's a brand that depends on a level of authenticity to grow and thrive. Damaging it requires more than abstract claims and outrage, the wedge has to be something people find disgusting. And it has to be laid out in a form he can't directly address on stream, no one wants to devote hours to talking about how they never beat their wife. Saying enough shit and something will eventually stick.

You could just be doing so much more is all I'm saying. I don't have a problem with EVS myself, I'm just sick of endless complaints that never go anywhere. Make the shit sting.
 
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