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Last fall, a prolific photographer who asked not to be named noticed a sharp, unexplained drop-off in earnings on his Patreon page, where fans shell out cash for tiered subscriptions to his photos of well-lit nude models. Then, in December, he received an anonymous email with a link to a website called Yiff.Party. When he clicked, he blanched: Thousands of his photos were laid out on the open web for free.

For five years, the libidinous pirates of Yiff.Party have siphoned masses of paywalled Patreon porn off of the platform and shared it for free. Two years ago, Patreon was determined to shut them down. Instead, the platform has effectively given up, despite desperate protests from affected creators.

Yiff.Party doesn’t look like much: a basic, blocky, white and lavender website with a changelog documenting the latest free art dumps and their respective creators. There might be eight new posts an hour, as well as calls for patrons to help fill out incomplete collections. A lot of it is furry porn—“yiff” is a term in the furry community referencing sexual activity—but Yiff.Party hosts anything that falls under the category of “lewds.” That includes smutty cosplays, vanilla softcore, hentai comics, 3D sci-fi sex stills, plus whatever Patreon-hosted art pirates dump there. (Patreon’s guidelines on adult content prohibit “real people engaging in sexual acts such as masturbation or sexual intercourse on camera.”)

“I am an artist, I live off my work, and sometimes Patreon is the only income I have,” the photographer whose work had been stolen tells WIRED. In bold, capital-lettered text on his Patreon page, he warned “WHOEVER IS DOING THIS” to “PLEASE STOP FUCKING ME OVER.” In the meantime, he can only hope that whichever fox has been gifting him cash with one hand and pirating his works with the other grows a conscience. Because one thing’s for sure: Patreon isn’t helping him, despite a 2018 pledge in Kotaku that it would fight Yiff.Party “vigorously” and “on behalf of our creators.”

This month, the owner of Yiff.Party, who goes by Dozes, sent WIRED a screenshot that he says contains the only two messages in his inbox from the domain @patreon.com: one “Notice of Infringing Material” on July 18, 2018, and a polite follow-up on September 26, 2018. “Patreon has definitely been aware of yiff.party since 2015, but that's the only instance of them directly contacting me,” Dozes says.

Dozes says Yiff.Party receives about unique 95,000 visitors daily and that it’s only growing. He started it, he says, “to archive content,” in part, for fans whose favorite artwork disappears once a creator leaves Patreon or gets banned. In a 2018 interview, Dozes provided a different rationale—“simply to make paid Patreon content available for free”—but said both then and now that he’s not out to get creators or cost them income. Despite this, those whose work has ended up on the site have described reactions ranging from existential sadness to financial anxiety.

Patrons scrape huge amounts of premium Patreon posts and import them onto Yiff.Party, where they are accessible to anyone with at least one click. Dozes says that the site currently stores over 20 terabytes of data and accepts donations that go toward server upkeep.

Despite its gung-ho statement to Kotaku two years ago, Patreon now says its terms of service effectively tie its hands. “We can’t do anything,” says Colin Sullivan, Patreon’s head of legal. “We don’t enforce [copyright] because we don’t have a license to the content.”

Sullivan didn’t hear back from Yiff.Party after those two cease and desist notices; he still hasn’t. Patreon says it also appealed to the company that hosts Yiff.Party, which, according to Sullivan, was based in France. “International hosting companies often turn a blind eye to a lot of things,” he adds.

In May 2019, months after it reached out to Dozes, Patreon posted a blog describing its stance on piracy. “Protecting the works of our creators across the entirety of the internet is not something our policies or enforcement efforts are equipped to handle,” wrote Patreon copyright lawyer Weston Dombroski. He further compares Patreon to a landlord, “limited in both responsibility and the remedies they can seek when theft occurs in your apartment.” Patreon’s “trust and safety” guidelines “give creators as much control of their businesses as possible,” which includes 100 percent ownership of their work.

In other words, it’s legally on Patreon’s creators to enforce copyright on their own work. As Sullivan notes, it’s a good thing that their creators maintain that copyright and not the platform. And yet, with a new post dump every seven minutes or so, Yiff.Party is an increasing menace to Patreon porn society. At least some rental contracts give tenants the power to impel their landlord to install window guards against theft.

Individual attempts at action have also proven fruitless. In what looks like a nod toward generosity, Yiff.Party offers a “Contact” button on the bottom right of its page. Creators have sent DMCA takedown notices to the linked email address—sometimes several—and received no response. As a next step they might try to find Yiff.Party’s host and registrar information to lodge a complaint, which is where things get even more confusing.

Yiff.Party’s backend is a bit of a chimera by design. Dozes employs a bit of tech called a “reverse proxy.” A typical proxy obfuscates the identity of the user accessing a server; a reverse proxy hides the identity of the server the client accesses. Between Yiff.Party’s server and the yiff.party website sits another server. “Yiff.party's main server stays hidden because the ‘real’ IP address isn't being exposed since traffic is routed through a proxy,” says Dozes. Reverse proxies aren’t uncommon; large sites might use one to help them run faster.

“It’s essentially a VPN, but for a website,” Dozes adds. “If our real hosting provider found out they hosted the site, we would be at risk of losing all our data.”

Going through Patreon has not helped much either. One model and content creator who asked to remain anonymous has twice emailed the platform about removing her content from Yiff.Party. One time was in reference to a DMCA takedown request; in the other, she reveals the identity of a suspected pirate patron. In screenshots from January 2020 shared with WIRED, a Patreon support representative told the model that the company “has been made aware of this website and has been taking action against it.” The representative declined to provide a timeline for resolution, and did not share the results of the investigation into the suspicious patron. Her content continues to show up on Yiff.Party.

Platforms large and small have for years relegated responsibility for bad things that happen to their users onto those same users and their personal networks. In the case of Yiff.Party, Patreon appears to be following that same playbook. “For creators, we encourage them to focus on connecting more with their fans and focusing on their patrons who care about them, and not the ones who are going to upload [their work] somewhere else,” Sullivan says.

Creators could use software watermarks or other techniques to root out the culprit. But even that doesn’t provide a solid indicator of who did what. In 2003, the Recording Industry Association of America filed 261 lawsuits against pirates for allegedly sharing songs over P2P networks—with some misfires. IP addresses weren’t immensely helpful in identifying pirates, and sometimes led to false allegations. Patreon says it collects some information that could point to who’s pirating, but that it’s difficult to nail down the culprit or prove their intent.

The head of piracy-focused publication Torrentfreak, who goes by Ernesto Van Der Sar, doesn’t consider what’s going on at Yiff.Party a security issue. He also agrees that it’s nearly impossible to prevent patrons from leaking content, despite identifying software stickers. “You can compare it to Netflix perhaps,” he says. “People with an account there can download and share the content with specialized tools. This is content from major companies that's worth billions of dollars and protected by high-grade DRM. If that's still possible, it will be hard for Patreon to prevent it from happening.”

Last May, a person who went by Jane posted on Yiff.Party’s forum to say they’re the mother of one of the models posted on the site and owns the photos as well. “What is the process of removing these,” she asked. Ever since, Yiff.Party regulars have dutifully shitposted in the thread, some wondering whether it’s a troll post, and others earnestly explaining the ideology behind their piracy.

“There’s really nothing you can do once you post some good stuff online,” said one. Said another, “Nothing you can do. It's a catch22 scenario: if you don't remove it people continue to pirate but if you do take it down the piracy just increases.”

Said a third, “Hi Jane. Welcome to the Internet.” They continued, echoing the first commenter’s sentiments. “Even if you delete it from a website someone somewhere still has a copy of it. This is especially true if it’s hilarious, embarrassing or pornographic in nature. The bigger the deal you make out of it the worst [sic] it gets for you and anyone else involved.”
 
Anti-piracy activists will always complain about how piracy reduces the incentive to produce content, and thereby eventually reduces the quantity available. In this case, I certainly hope they're right. Anything that deprives furry pornographers of income is a good thing imo.

That only makes sense if production cost outweighs the benefit to the producer without sales. Stuff like movies and games that take millions of dollars to create, but have no real material benefit if they can't be sold, at least some argument could be made there. But most furry porn artists enjoy drawing furry porn. There's a reason people were doing it for decades before Patreon, the cost to producer is low (simply a few hours of time assuming they already have a tablet/PC) and the person who produces it often does it for themselves as much as for anyone else.
 
Theres ways around yiff party. Having a log in that requires syncing your patreon account or emailing the art directly to customers will solve the problem of yiff party.

yiff party isnt the only issue its just the most visible one. Lots of people make patreon scrapers. Oh and yiff party just now got Fantia support and they are probably gonna add more foreign patreon-like services.

@Null you ever thought of interviewing the yiff party admin on your show?
Aside from scrapers, there's always imageboards and websites where copyrighted content gets spread around just like in the old days. Before yiff.party was a thing, there were imageboards that featured furries spreading around porn from Patreon, comic scans, and art CD rips. Yiff.party could get nuked off the internet tomorrow thanks to legal pressure (especially if they didn't do what a notable imageboard did and host in a country where porn can't be considered copyrighted) and popular Patreon creators will still have content leaked such as is the case with Chris Chan.

It's the same thing that affects Hollywood and the music industry as well. Movies get leaked in numerous forms, from someone pointing a camera in the theater to film the movie to DVD screener rips. In an era where piracy is easy, you have to give people a reason to shell out money.
It started out just cataloging furry porn, but over time people just started adding any Patreon they wanted skimmed to the site. The site owner recently held a vote asking if they should go back to just the furry porn and jettison stuff like podcast Patreons, but I believe the vote narrowly failed. Still funny to see the URL "yiff.party" in a mainstream tech site.

The reason it worked so well was because of how Patreon was set up by default. You could pledge whatever amount you wanted, download everything from the Patreon in question, and then cancel your pledge before your card got charged. Anyone could do this, of course, but yiff.party made it a much simpler process. All you had to do was click a button and the site would scrape everything for you and post it all online. Porn artists trying to paywall their smut should have come to the realization that Patreon does not actually make a good paywall. Rather than accept this and move on, they bitched about it.

So then Patreon added a setting that you could turn on that would force a charge if someone pledged to your page, so you couldn't just fake pledge and get free shit. That slowed things down a bit, but it didn't stop it. yiff.party just added a tool where users who were subscribed to a Patreon could essentially give the site access through their account, scraping the content for the benefit of everyone else. All you needed was a single subscription, and not even regularly to boot; a user could just fling a couple bucks at a particular page every couple months or so and the site would scrape whatever was new.

And yes, artists have been trying various workarounds like sending out direct links or posting to a private Discord, but that's extra hoops to jump through that many just don't consider worth the effort, particularly when someone who's so inclined can still redistribute the paid content. There will still be those that bitch and moan, but honestly, it's not Patreon's fault they tried to use it as a paywall when it's really not designed for that.

Really, this whole kerfuffle illustrates the problem with paywalls for online content in general: digital goods are really fucking easy to redistribute. All it takes is one paying customer who doesn't really care about exclusivity, and your paywall means nothing.
Yiff.party has the name it does because it was founded by a prominent user (Bui IIRC) from the now defunct 8chan /furry/ board (and its stillborn successor /fur/). The idea was that it was going to be a private top secret patreon rip site for /furry/ members to use, as there was a growing backlash at the time against furry artists moving to Patreon. To use the site you had to enter via a specific link from the board when browsing it or else you'd get a "sad n8" error. Eventually the site got more and more popular for those looking to rip non-furry Patreon content that the password requirement was lifted. Even on this very site, users began using it to rip content from Chris Chan's Patreon because they didn't want to enable Chris.

It wasn't the only furry site or imageboard set up for this purpose, but it became the most popular and it's popularity crossed over because of how easy and automated it made the process.
 
I'm utterly gobsmacked that any producer of erotic content would be surprised and dismayed by the idea of their content being shared on the Internet by people who didn't pay for it. Porn is pirated on the internet; news at 11. How naive can you get?

And yes, I agree that people upset over Patreon-exclusive content getting leaked are misunderstanding Patreon. It's not a marketplace; it's a place to patronize (in the economic sense) content producers that you like and encourage them to continue. Easy access to the "exclusive content" is a cool bonus, but expecting that content not to leak is peak naiveté. I currently support a handful of creators, but because I want to encourage them to continue making content I enjoy, not for the content itself (which in most cases is "free" videos or podcasts in the first place).

Yiff.party could get nuked off the internet tomorrow thanks to legal pressure (especially if they didn't do what a notable imageboard did and host in a country where porn can't be considered copyrighted)
Out of curiosity, what imageboard and country are you speaking of?
 
This guy must be so far up his ass if he thinks these are great pictures. A naked women striking a pose with a white background? It's the equivalent of someone posting a craigslist ad requesting to take naked pictures. It's not even interesting photos or any difficulty in what he does. The only "skill" his photos take is finding the girl that will agree to be photographed naked.
 
it's not uncommon to call the ones who can actually draw "wasted talent".
That's literally what they are. There are so many talented artists who could be using their mastery of a anatomy and perspective to tell exhilarating tales and create breathtaking pieces of art, who instead use that talent to draw futa dragon foot fetish guro vore porn, either to pay the bills, or out of their own genuine degeneracy. It's sad.
 
Oh, no! Furries and costhots can no longer make thousands of dollars without having any talent. We must censor the internet and stop this!
 
Watermarking, and better yet serializing the watermarking so every picture or set of pictures you send out to a paypig has a unique identifying code would do wonders. That way you could identify which PayPig is redistributing your works and go after them.
Jeremy Bernal of Sexyfur did this. It works for a while til people figure out what your doing. Then they just edit the image. He attracted a lot of spite back in the day for how he sued anyone for pirating his art. Every now and then he manages to get a retard who doesnt know about the watermarks.

The only way to get money from porn is to buck up and do the degenerate shit like vomiting and shooting golfballs out your cunt, because degenerates have to pay for their degenerate fetishes to be compensated.
I cannot state this enough but the furry market is very lucrative and untapped. Any artist that feels they are not getting paid enough should consider drawing furries.
 
Jeremy Bernal of Sexyfur did this. It works for a while til people figure out what your doing. Then they just edit the image. He attracted a lot of spite back in the day for how he sued anyone for pirating his art. Every now and then he manages to get an exceptional individual who doesnt know about the watermarks.
I mean, in theory, Patreon should be able to devote a lot more resource to steganographically watermarking images this than one cartoon bestiality artist. They wouldn't just be stuck implementing one primitive scheme for doing this. They could do things like audio and video with a bit of work.

On the other hand, there would always be ways to get round this (get images from multiple accounts, average them etc). But it would be a more difficult situation than is presently the case.

But mostly? I'm sure they have a great cost effective CDN set up and they don't want to make it more complex or spend one cent more on computing power to alter images/video/audio at the endpoints.
 
Jeremy Bernal of Sexyfur did this. It works for a while til people figure out what your doing. Then they just edit the image. He attracted a lot of spite back in the day for how he sued anyone for pirating his art. Every now and then he manages to get an exceptional individual who doesnt know about the watermarks.


I cannot state this enough but the furry market is very lucrative and untapped. Any artist that feels they are not getting paid enough should consider drawing furries.
This is an open secret among comic artists online, but is viewed as something of a one way trip.

I think a lot of anthro artists are only subconsciously aware that they're being used as cover for deviant behavior. To tap into this market would be to admit this consciously.
 
This is an open secret among comic artists online, but is viewed as something of a one way trip.

I think a lot of anthro artists are only subconsciously aware that they're being used as cover for deviant behavior. To tap into this market would be to admit this consciously.
It doesnt even have to be porn. Drawing furry art in general would be enough to suffice. I could go into the reasons why. Mainly because untapped market + low skill bar for quality in general.

Compare the top anime earner on patreon Sakimichan vs top furry earner on patreon Jay Naylor. They make similar amounts of money but the quality difference is staggering. If Naylor could draw like Sakimichan or if Sakimichan drew furry theyd double thier money.
 
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I'm not sure how to feel about aurtists screeching about their infringed copyrights when like half the time they're trying to make their living drawing porn of hot new anime that they definitely do not own the copyright to.
 
Why should I sympathise with niggers who think Patreon is a legitimate source of income? Get an actual job or get off the internet.
 
His art is available from yiff.party- be advised that it is NSFW.


Well it started with the furry 'art' obviously, but has extended to even, I hesitate to say this, Momokun.

This "art" is at best average,I don't see why anyone is paying for this when there's much better stuff available for free,maybe its the reason he's so buttblasted because he knows he got lucky some people were paying for his average stuff in the first place
 
If people can access the product for free, then you need to provide added incentive for them to pay you for it.

For example, take pirated games. Setting aside for the moment if you legitimately want the creators paid for their work, let's pretend you're purely selfish. Maybe you'll still buy a game legitimately because you don't trust free pirated copies to not be broken or full of malware. That's the added incentive for legitimacy in that case. But with commissioned art that exists in purely digital form? That's an uphill battle from the start. At least with paper/physical artwork the original can't be easily duplicated. But a png of some anthropomorphic snail man jerking his turgid penis dart or whatever can be copied with full fidelity infinite times for zero effort. That's just not a recipe for a successful business.
 
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