Opinion The Dangerous Rise Of Men Who Won’t Date “Woke” Women

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The word "irrespective" means saying or doing something without taking anything else into account. For example: "Irrespective of the fact that the cost of living has jumped, putting pressure on many people, the government ploughed on with Brexit and argued that there would be no real economic impact."

So it is fitting that white man of the moment, Laurence Fox – who appeared on the BBC’s Question Time programme and told a BAME audience member that Meghan Markle has not been on the receiving end of racism before subsequently appearing on the cover of The Sunday Times to tell the world that he does not "date woke women" and then displaying an appalling understanding of history by calling the inclusion of a Sikh soldier in Sam Mendes' film 1917 "incongruous" – has "irrespective" tattooed on his arm.

Did you hear that at the back, ladies? Laurence Fox – who you perhaps only knew as Billie Piper’s ex-husband because you’ve never seen Lewis (what?) – does not date "woke" women who he believes are being taught that they are "victims", irrespective of whether they are right or not. He thinks that it’s "institutionally racist" to tell the story of the First World War in a racially diverse way, irrespective of the fact that Sikh soldiers absolutely fought for Britain. And he also doesn’t believe in white privilege, irrespective of the fact that he works in a painfully undiverse industry, was privately educated and comes from a wealthy acting family which is nothing short of a dynasty.


Fox is denying racism and sexism, irrespective of whether or not they exist. It’s nothing short of gaslighting. It’s all very Donald Trump. And as you would expect, the whole debacle has lit a fire under anti-woke poster boy Piers Morgan while gaining Fox thousands of extra Twitter followers.

I could go over all the things he’s said; I could use data to prove how wrong he is; I could express concern for his mental health (after all, who really enjoys arguing on Twitter?); I could make jokes about his behaviour. But all of that would be to seriously miss the point.

There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet.

Not wanting to date "woke" women, far from being laughable, is actually one of the more insidious aspects of it. Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things. They might say "no psychos" or that they "fucking hate big eyebrows" in their bios. And, by and large, they also tend to hold extremely right-wing views and see themselves as victims of liberal thinking.

In fact, as I was writing this, a dear friend sent me a screenshot of a guy she’s just matched with who describes Jordan B Peterson as his "dream dinner guest". Yes, the same Jordan B Peterson who thinks that white privilege is a "Marxist lie" and wants millennials to drop their obsession with "social justice".

I, meanwhile, recently had to block someone who after matching with me launched into a vile rant about how women are "evil", "only want sex" and treat men as though they are "disposable". When I asked him if he hated women he replied that he had "only moderate disdain" for us before asking me whether I didn’t want to date him because I’m actually "pretty rough".


All of this, of course, speaks not only to the presence of the very active online communities of anti-feminist incels but to the prevalence of the hideous and incorrect ideas they promote. It doesn’t take magical thinking to see how men are radicalised by anti-feminism. As the saying goes: "When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

The reactionary influence of these ideas doesn’t stop at dating, though. As the campaign group Hope Not Hate reported last year, a hostility towards feminism is feeding directly into far-right movements online. They found that a third of young British people today believe that feminism is marginalising or demonising men and warned that these beliefs were a "slip road" to other far-right ideas.

This isn’t just speculation. We know that the number of far-right referrals to the British government’s deradicalisation scheme Prevent has dramatically increased recently. In the year from 2017/18 they jumped by 36%, while referrals for Islamism actually decreased by 14%.

Last year he released an album called A Grief Observed which is largely about his acrimonious split from Piper. When The Times interviewed him about it he turned up wearing a pro-Donald Trump MAGA (Make America Great Again) cap and said it was a "social experiment". He then told the interviewer that he spent a lot of his time watching YouTube interviews which had "totally radicalised" him and caused him to embark on a "crusade against woke culture and political correctness." He wanted, he said, to call one of the songs "Me Too" but was prevented by his record label.

Fox is a case in point that what might start as playing devil’s advocate by wandering the streets in a MAGA cap to provoke "hipsters" can quickly turn into something more sinister.

The far right itself can be difficult to pin down because it isn’t exactly a coherent global movement with a concrete set of ideas. It largely exists online, in Facebook groups, as Twitter accounts, on YouTube and anonymous message boards such as 8chan. But every now and then, their bile spills out dangerously into the offline world.

In 2016 the Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered by far-right terrorist Thomas Mair who, 25 years before he killed her, told a far-right magazine that the "white race" faced a long and very bloody struggle. And it was 8chan that hosted the manifestos of three mass shooters who killed scores of people last year: the El Paso shooter (who left 20 people dead and many more wounded only a couple of weeks ago), the Poway shooter (who opened fire at a synagogue in California last April) and the Christchurch shooter (who killed 51 people at two mosques in New Zealand last March).

Laurence Fox, whether he realises it or not, has just landed the biggest part of his life. He is legitimising hatred and division. And yet he cannot be completely unaware of the role he plays; he has spoken about being 'radicalised' himself on YouTube.

Susan Faludi wrote about the link between violence, anger and anti-feminism prophetically in her book Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women back in 1991. Long before the turbulent times which have seen the rise to power of two male caricatures – Donald Trump to the office of US president and the accession of Boris Johnson as our prime minister – she warned:

"When an attack on home soil causes cultural paroxysms that have nothing to do with the attack, when we respond to real threats to our nation by distrusting ourselves with imagined threats to femininity and family life, when we invest our leaders with a cartoon masculinity and require of them bluster in lieu of a capacity for rational calculation, and when we blame our frailty in ‘fifth column’ feminists – in short, when we base our security on a mythical male strength that can only increase itself against a mythical female weakness – we should know that we are exhibiting the symptoms of a lethal, albeit curable, cultural affliction."

She added: "When the enemy has no face, society will invent one." For men like Fox, who feel they have been wronged somehow, that they are missing out on opportunities because, for once in history, they are being given to other people, women and people of colour become the enemy.

“When the enemy has no face, society will invent one.
SUSAN FALUDI, BACKLASH: THE UNDECLARED WAR AGAINST AMERICAN WOMEN”

You can see it in the abuse and threats received by women MPs and in the wildly different treatment of Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton. While Middleton, who generally keeps herself to herself and says little, has become a pinup heroine for traditionalists, Markle, who has spoken openly about sexism and racism, trying to use her platform for good, has been – quite literally – driven out of the country, condemned for being an outspoken snowflake.

Make no mistake, the far right is already capitalising on Fox’s words, gassing him up and turning him into an icon. He has added to their backlash and given it oxygen. Every time he is invited onto a TV or radio show to talk about it, that oxygen will cause the backlash to burn hotter and faster, irrespective of whether we’re watching or not. It’s important not to trivialise this anti-woke, anti-women backlash. In the end, it’s only by paying attention to it that we can understand it and do something about it.
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According to feminist writer Vicky Spratt, men not wanting to date ‘woke’ women is an “insidious” trend that could lead to the radicalization of terrorists.

In an article for Vice Media outlet Refinery29, Spratt gets all worked up about Laurence Fox, the British actor who recently triggered a monumental hissy fit by daring to suggest that the UK was not a racist country and that “white privilege” doesn’t exist.

Fox has given several interviews in which he explains how he refuses to date ‘woke’ women who are obsessed with political correctness. He even said he dumped his girlfriend last year because she praised Gillette’s insufferable “toxic masculinity” commercial.

According to Spratt, Fox’s dating choices are part of an “insidious” societal trend that will inevitably lead to women being killed by terrorists.

“There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet,” she writes.

Spratt then goes on to cite the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox by right-wing terrorist Thomas Mair as well as the Christchurch shooting and the El Paso shooting, despite the fact that none of these shootings had anything to do with anti-feminism or hatred of women.

Spratt’s actual grievance appears to stem from the fact that she is personally struggling to find a boyfriend (most likely because of her God-awful woke opinions) and is resentful towards Fox for touching a raw nerve.

“Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things,” whines Spratt (because of course she’s single and obviously bitter about it), before going on to suggest she isn’t having much luck with the dating scene.

Meanwhile, Lawrence Fox is presumably doing just fine because real women are not attracted to low testosterone pussies who spend all day consuming soy products and apologizing for their white privilege.
 
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Nowadays, I just operate under the assumption that everyone who isn’t openly and obviously “woke” is merely trying their best to hide their power level.

This is what's scary about the modern day. You can't say anything about yourself without being ostracized and societally blacklisted for not being woke enough.

That is, unless you're an insufferable cunt, in which you're fine.
 
Men avoid woke women. Woke women avoid incels. This is because in order to understand none of this shit actually matters in a partner, you actually have to date people
 
This is what's scary about the modern day. You can't say anything about yourself without being ostracized and societally blacklisted for not being woke enough. That is, unless you're an insufferable cunt, in which you're fine.
It should also give you hope, because it shows that the claim that far-left ideas are widely accepted (e.g. “reality has a liberal bias”) is founded on a massive lie that’s only able to be perpetuated because everyone being lied to has been conditioned to believe that it is true. But I think ever since Trump’s election, that conditioning has been actively breaking down as people are waking up to the fact that most people DON’T, in fact, share those opinions.
 
>be me
>be feminazi SJW stereotype
>want to date Chad despite having loads of beta male soyboy orbiters
>refuse to date beta male soyboy orbiters at all costs
>whine to media that Chad won't date me
>call everybody who questions my toxic political and personal views a Nazi incel
>whine to media, get online articles written about my "wokeness"
>be subject to even more ridicule
>at least I have my orbiters

Some women don't bother to cultivate a personality, a meaningful place in society or derive satisfaction in their own sense of self, like through a hobby or passion. To fill the void they fall back on what has worked for thousands of years: crying. Men respond to this crying instinctively, come to the woman's aid and try to figure out what the problem is, thus providing the intensive male attention she inherently craved to begin with. It's a manipulation tactic. Babies and house cats do something similar.

This rambling article is the literary equivalent. I'm sure it will attract orbiting idiots, but caterwaulers don't earn any respect for reining them in, especially when they do it while crying about empowering women.
 
I actually met one in person from an online dating site. She was one of the more mild ones actually, but she mostly complained about football and microaggressions and shit.
Last time I was on a site I got a message from a woman saying "give me a controversial opinion!" She was just doing an icebreaker and it's better than just saying "hi" so I liked that. I said "I can't stand game of thrones, what's yours?" thinking a first conversation with a person should be lighthearted.

You know what she said? "Ooh, that's a good one. Here's mine: men have no right to an opinion about abortion. Thoughts?"

What are you even supposed to say to that? It's literally a trick question because even offering any response at all as a man is de facto wrong by her logic. I wasn't even going to say "sounds like we don't match, best of luck to you" because that would probably result in her throwing a tantrum and trying to get me kicked off the app because not immediately agreeing with her is misogyny. I just ignored and moved on. That was like a year ago and I'm sure she's still getting ghosted by guys who don't want to deal with the minefield.

One thing I’ve noticed is that most normal people will just offhandedly agree with woke talking points, simply because they either 1. can’t be bothered to get in an argument about it or 2. are afraid of being ostracized for having un-woke opinions. Nowadays, I just operate under the assumption that everyone who isn’t openly and obviously “woke” is merely trying their best to hide their power level.
Powerlevel: I would be hesitant about saying my unwoke opinions to any girl I was dating right away but my girlfriend now is not white, and I admit that also affected my reluctance because who knows if I'll get called racist too. But you have to eventually, you can't lie about who you are or what you believe. The first time we talked about wokies and their trans politics, I could almost see the pressure lift from her shoulders and she agrees with me on all of it. Because it turns out she's tired of white wokies trying to guilt and lecture her about not being a woc correctly. She was just as afraid of the woke minefield in dating as I was! Wokies are not as ubiquitous as they want us to think but they do cast a shadow over everything that's supposed to be enjoyable.
 
Don't forget "toxic."
"Problematic"

Makes me want to vomit...

At some point, you would think they would go "why do we sound like robots?"

It's really a testimony to the failings of the American education system.

Read information and regurgitate. In this case, word for word..
 
Are you telling me, that now given more options, men don't want to settle down in a relationship with you?
Well colour me shocked, who wouldn't want to date a woman who seems to view life with the lens of 'problematic behaviour'
She'll never be for want of a penis, but she'll certainly never find a fitting man for marriage, relationships often survive by reaching a middle-ground and being willing to compromise with one another, but when you view your own opinion as the only logical and moral conclusion, that ain't ever happening.

She also sounds crazy enough to drag any future child into her progressive shit, and any informed man would have reservations dating someone who'd try and jazz-jennings their future spawn.
 
Thanks to social media, men can take a look at how a potential date treated a total stranger on Twitter because they used some terminology that was totally acceptable two months ago, but is now verboten by Those on the Right Side of History. Do you think he wants to find out what she’ll do when he refuses to cut his Trump voting great grandparents out of his life?
 
These articles are going to get progressively more fun over the next 10 years as all these single gender studies women start hitting the wall and find themselves childless and alone.
 
If a man wrote this article he'd be (rightfully) accused of trying to gaslight women into dating men they weren't attracted to.
 
Who wants to bet a woke woman who thinks men not wanting to date her is "dangerous" would also not see anything wrong with poking holes in condoms to trap a man with a baby he didn't want?
 
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