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A bunch of shit posters have upset people. OH NOES
I remember before SA got pozzed this sort of thing would regularly happen.
Vice said:
Congressman Shames Blizzard for Letting Nazis Run Wild in 'World of Warcraft'
“The user-generated content found in World of Warcraft is just one example of how far-right extremists are infiltrating online platforms and video games,” he said.

A California congressman is calling out Blizzard for allowing online Nazis to roam Azeroth in World of Warcraft.
Rep. Lou Correa of Anaheim shamed the company on Twitter after a member of his staff who plays the legendary MMORPG noticed other players hosting a racist Halloween costume contest inside of the game.
The player, who runs a racist, anti-semitic guild called "Enclave" had his avatar dressed up in white robes and a white hood—an obvious allusion to the garb of the Klu Klux Klan—with two avatars appearing as slaves beside him (one named "Jesse Jackson," referring to the civil rights leader.) The player commented “next stop Charlottesville” in a screenshot taken by a staffer and posted by Correa, referring to the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville where a white nationalist terrorist killed an anti-racist protester with his car during the protest.

Correa, who has taken a strong stance against recent white supremacist terrorism in the United States and has demanded that law enforcement look at the issue more closely, said the racist costume contest was just another example of neo-Nazi radicalization in gaming.

“The user-generated content found in World of Warcraft is just one example of how far-right extremists are infiltrating online platforms and video games,” he said in an email.
“By allowing white supremacists refuge, companies inadvertently create safe harbors that extremists can leverage to recruit and indoctrinate other people while also degrading the enjoyment of their own fans,” he added.
Correa called on all gaming companies to have a zero-tolerance policy for extremist ideologies on their platforms.

“I call on the industry to do better at managing and moderating their communities. Your players and fans want to play your games, not fight with white supremacists. Kick the bad actors out—for everyone’s sake,” he said.
White supremacist and racist guilds in World of Warcraft have been an open secret in the WoW community for at least a decade. There are dozens of posts about the game and about forming white supremacist guilds on neo-Nazi message boards dating back to at least 2007. Some of the threads about the game have sparked discussions that are many pages long on these websites.

The Enclave itself has been a guild on multiple games since 1998, according to its leader, who has posted threads all over the internet trying to recruit for it. One post on a gaming message board from 2014 notes that players need "thick skin" to join: "Our guild is very politically incorrect and we do not censor people's opinions, bad jokes or comical [slur]. If you can't handle profanity or adult subjects you would be better suited in another guild."

Though the guild is not blatantly racist in its recruiting posts, its racism has been well-known in the community for at least nine years. An Urban Dictionary user wrote of its leader in 2010: “He is the guild leader of The Enclave, a group of the worst PvPers on the server, that spread white power racism.” There is a long thread on Reddit about the guild's racism from just two months ago: "The guild is an absolute cesspool of trolls and bigots. Was having gentle banter with the entirety of the guild chat when one of the users started spamming racial slurs,” one user wrote. Another wrote: “They know they are being reported [to Blizzard] now. So they changed to calling black people 'Orcs' so they can avoid being reported for saying the N word. I was in the guild for 2 days and spent most of it just reporting guys to Blizzard for it.”
A 2009 post by the leader of the guild says Stormfront—a well known online cesspool of militant neo-Naziism and once the global meeting ground of the white nationalist movement—was a sponsor of Enclave.
“The Enclave is now officially sponsored by Stormfront,” he said in the post, which also uses highly racist language and includes a photo of KKK members.
After its racist Halloween costume contest, the Enclave held an audio meeting to discuss the fallout. Leaked audio of that meeting reveals some members trying to distance themselves from the group and the leader of the guild, who dressed his avatar as a Klansman. The leader has been trying to say that the costume was a "ghost," not a member of the KKK.

“You keep saying that you were a ghost but we're not dumb, dude. We weren't born yesterday. We can put all those things together," said one Enclave member in response, referring to the two apparent slaves standing beside the avatar.
Members of the guild suggested that now, with Congressional attention, they are worried about getting doxed.
In recent weeks Blizzard came under fire after it slapped a six month ban on a professional Hearthstone player for supporting the Hong Kong protests, something that didn’t sit well with Blizzard employees.
Online posts suggest the leader of Enclave received only a temporary, days long ban for his racist actions in World of Warcraft, but Motherboard couldn’t confirm with Blizzard which did not respond to multiple requests for comment. On its website, the leader of Enclave posted that the guild has shut down until a later date.
 
A bunch of shit posters have upset people. OH NOES
I remember before SA got pozzed this sort of thing would regularly happen.

"Ran around in a White Robe and a White hood"

*thinks*

*thinks more*

Now I never mained a priest, but don't like 90% of their class outfits..have..White Robes and a White Hood?
 
"Ran around in a White Robe and a White hood"

*thinks*

*thinks more*

Now I never mained a priest, but don't like 90% of their class outfits..have..White Robes and a White Hood?

Priests usually wear black, with perhaps a white collar. There are other colors like red for cardinals. The only dude whose traditional uniform is white is the Pope.

Some priests now wear white but this is considered bordering on scandalous in conservative areas.
 
Priests usually wear black, with perhaps a white collar. There are other colors like red for cardinals. The only dude whose traditional uniform is white is the Pope.

Some priests now wear white but this is considered bordering on scandalous in conservative areas.
Not talking real life Priests, talking WoW Priests :P
 
Manveer Heir is back, with a new studio designed to only promote “diverse and inclusive” games.. He’s trying to drum up harassment for publicity but it’s not working, everyone is yawning.
 
Manveer Heir is back, with a new studio designed to only promote “diverse and inclusive” games.. He’s trying to drum up harassment for publicity but it’s not working, everyone is yawning.
Looked it up., apparently his coworker is a wannabe rapper, and his new boss is a minivan enthusiast. This is going to end well.
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Looked it up., apparently his coworker is a wannabe rapper, and his new boss is a minivan enthusiast. This is going to end well.
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Their first game will sell a few copies but ultimately the studio will die, he’s not good at his job. That’s why he was canned from BioWare.
 
Their first game will sell a few copies but ultimately the studio will die, he’s not good at his job. That’s why he was canned from BioWare.
Maybe they'll increase his productivity by having a policy where he has to write at least 1 line of code for every racist tweet he makes.

The article is gold.

Three industry vets form Brass Lion to bring their voices to the fight
What fight?

When Manveer Heir left BioWare in 2017 after working on the Mass Effect franchise as a senior gameplay designer, he was burned out.
Oh, he left Bioware. Not layed off for making one of the most mocked games of the decade. I guess his face was tired.

He had been making games for a dozen years, putting in the time during crunch and enduring the wrath of Gamergaters for his beliefs.
Second sentence of the article and we have a GamerGate mention.
:story:

Speaking of GamerGate. There's another name GGers might recognize.
A survey of developers in 2017 by the International Game Developers Association (IGDA) reported that 71 percent of respondents identified as white or multiracial with white, 79 percent were male, and 86 percent were heterosexual. Furthermore, while 81 percent said they felt diversity in the workplace was important, only 42 percent felt diversity was actually increasing – down from 47 percent in 2016.
It's weird how the same few names keep coming up again and again.

“But when you look at the research you find out that meritocracy is kind of a lie. People really hire people that look like them."
"And I will fix that by only hiring people with the same skin colour as me!"

I thought they recalled those knock off Anita Sarkeesian androids?
 
Maybe they'll increase his productivity by having a policy where he has to write at least 1 line of code for every racist tweet he makes.

The article is gold.


What fight?


Oh, he left Bioware. Not layed off for making one of the most mocked games of the decade. I guess his face was tired.


Second sentence of the article and we have a GamerGate mention.
:story:

Speaking of GamerGate. There's another name GGers might recognize.

It's weird how the same few names keep coming up again and again.


"And I will fix that by only hiring people with the same skin colour as me!"


I thought they recalled those knock off Anita Sarkeesian androids?

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Yeah this looks like a dude that seems like he knows what he's doing. It was fun tanking Bioware, it'll be even more fun crashing and burning your own pathetic studio when the latest urban walking sim lands with a thud. Just hope you sunk tons of personal equity into it, Manny.
 
I hate to break it to Manveer but he’s brown, not black or latin. I don’t know why he’s trying to dress like he’s a brown member of the Beastie Boys. He’s so desperate to be seen as cool, going out on a limb but I’d guess he’s single and been that way for awhile. He reeks of desperation.

It’s not a good sign when the only thing people are taking about is your “diversity and inclusion” and you know not the quality of the games or the talent making them. The scene is crowded for this garbage anyway and they’re all a bunch of nobodies except for Manveer. His notoriety is from making bad games at BioWare and hating white people.

edit: Dredging months old drama, begging for “gamers” to“harass” him. “Please give us publicity!!”

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It’s not a good sign when the only thing people are taking about is your “diversity and inclusion” and you know not the quality of the games or the talent making them.

I think since about 2015 everyone who actually buys things knows that screeching about how "diverse" something is is more or less just straight up saying it's a piece of shit.
 
Manveer Heir is back, with a new studio designed to only promote “diverse and inclusive” games.. He’s trying to drum up harassment for publicity but it’s not working, everyone is yawning.

You mean he's back to bringing failure to the videogame world.

Also lol, good luck. Wokenator bombed and killed the franchise as did Charlie's Angel's. No one wants woke and diverse. People realize what that means. It's like the reverse mark of quality. If you say its inclusive and diverse, it's the mark of dogshit.
 
No one wants woke and diverse. People realize what that means. It's like the reverse mark of quality. If you say its inclusive and diverse, it's the mark of dogshit.
It's not quite that, I think. It's that if your lead points are the diversity and inclusivity rather than the actual things people want to know about in their entertainment then it's guaranteed to be shit. If your selling point isn't 'it's fun!' but 'it's got black trans lesbians in it!' then it's not going to be any good, because it's being sold on being good for you and worthy rather than being entertaining.

Plenty of inclusive and diverse things are very popular, but they weren't sold purely on the basis of being that. Even something like Black Panther, the actual advertising for it was about how it was another cool-looking MCU movie; it was the morons, mostly on Twitter, who made it into the Wokest Movie Ever about a country whose system of government is a provisional monarchy with a physical combat requirement.

(I know that Terminator Dark Fate bombed, but I would also put it down to the marketing being very unclear about what it was about other than Linda Hamilton and Important Minority Girl. If it's a 'let's ignore everything after 2' movie a la the last Halloween, make that clear - that I'd be interested in. But I couldn't tell what they were doing with the film, and so it came down to 'see this one because women' rather than 'see this one for the return of one of the most iconic action heroines ever'.

And Charlie's Angels just didn't look fun, and the whole point of the show is to be fun, which I thought at least the other movies captured. And you know a film's in trouble when a chunk of the trailer is devoted to a song released in conjunction with the movie, rather than the movie itself.)
 
It's that if your lead points are the diversity and inclusivity rather than the actual things people want to know about in their entertainment then it's guaranteed to be shit. If your selling point isn't 'it's fun!' but 'it's got black trans lesbians in it!' then it's not going to be any good, because it's being sold on being good for you and worthy rather than being entertaining.

That's pretty much what I meant.

Something isn't guaranteed terrible if its diverse and inclusive on its own. However, if you begin to use it as an advertising point, it doesn't have anything behind it. I cannot remember a single good thing sold on that sort of advertising. If its good, it'll sell on its merits. If you have to advertise on of its merits as diversity and inclusion, that's a sign that its bad. Because you don't have anything else to sell it on.
 
You mean he's back to bringing failure to the videogame world.

Also lol, good luck. Wokenator bombed and killed the franchise as did Charlie's Angel's. No one wants woke and diverse. People realize what that means. It's like the reverse mark of quality. If you say its inclusive and diverse, it's the mark of dogshit.
idk. I'd like to think the newer entertainment mediums have looked at the older ones (e.g. movies, comics, etc) as cautionary examples, but I feel like that's highly optimistic.
 
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