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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/22/barack-obama-conservative/

Barack Obama, conservative

The left and the right still misunderstand his politics.

By David Swerdlick
November 22, 2019

The Democrats who want to be president can’t quite figure out how to talk about the most popular figure in their party. Former president Barack Obama casts a long shadow over the 2020 primary campaign: Preserving Obama’s legacy is the heart of former vice president Joe Biden’s pitch to voters — which has allowed his rivals to mark him as complacent. More left-leaning candidates, such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), say the next president needs to do more to push for health-care reforms and combat income inequality — but lately, she’s struggling to sell her proposals. Onetime Obama Cabinet secretary Julián Castro has ripped his former boss’s record on immigration and deportation. Meanwhile, South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg raced to have a reporter correct a story that misquoted him citing “failures of the Obama era.” Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.) said in Wednesday’s debate that it’s crucial to “rebuild the Obama coalition” because “that’s the last time we won.” Picking and choosing which parts of Obama’s tenure to embrace, and how firmly to embrace them, has become a delicate game in the primary season.

And now Obama himself is working to cool down what he sees as an overheated political climate. In October, at a panel discussion for his foundation, he warned against the pitfalls of “woke” cancel culture, telling a gathering of young activists that “if all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far.” This month, at a gathering of influential Democrats, he cautioned the 2020 contenders against pushing too far, too fast on policy: “This is still a country that is less revolutionary than it is interested in improvement.”

That remark helps explain why so many of the candidates’ proposals seem so far to the left of Obama. The former president was skeptical of sweeping change, bullish on markets, sanguine about the use of military force, high on individual responsibility and faithful to a set of old-school personal values. Compare that with proposals from his would-be successors: Medicare-for-all, the Green New Deal, free college, a wealth tax, universal basic income.

Given the political climate, it’s no surprise to see the party’s base clamoring for something dramatic. But the contrast between Obama’s steady approach and the seeming radicalism of his Democratic heirs can’t just be chalked up to changing times. It’s because the former president, going back at least to his 2004 Senate race, hasn’t really occupied the left side of the ideological spectrum. He wasn’t a Republican, obviously: He never professed a desire to starve the federal government, and he opposed the Iraq War, which the GOP overwhelmingly supported. But to the dismay of many on the left, and to the continuing disbelief of many on the right, Obama never dramatically departed from the approach of presidents who came before him.

There’s a simple reason: Barack Obama is a conservative.

Obama’s perspectives don’t line up with every position now seen as right-of-center: He joined the Paris climate accords, he signed the Dodd-Frank financial regulations, and he’s pro-choice. He flip-flopped to supporting same-sex marriage, highlighting the significance of marriage.

But his constant search for consensus, for ways to bring Blue America and Red America together, sometimes led him to policies that used Republican means to achieve more liberal ends. The underlying concept for his signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, with its individual mandate, was devised by the right-wing Heritage Foundation and first implemented at the state level by Mitt Romney, then the Republican governor of Massachusetts. Obama wanted to protect Americans from the effects of a prolonged recession, so he agreed, in one of his defining votes as a senator, to a bailout of banks — and as president, he prioritized recovery over punishing bankers for their role in the financial crisis. In his first inaugural address, he affirmed the power of the free market “to generate wealth and expand freedom.”

Until the Sandy Hook tragedy in 2012, Obama studiously avoided any push for gun control. Indeed, in his first term, he signed laws that loosened restrictions on bringing firearms to national parks and on Amtrak. Though cast as a “dithering” peacenik who led “from behind,” he stuck with his thesis that the imperative “to end the war in Iraq is to be able to get more troops into Afghanistan,” and he prosecuted a drone war in Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen.

Obama’s approach to politics was marked by a circumspection that went even deeper than policies. To be conservative, as philosopher Michael Oakeshott, a movement hero, once put it, “is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.” The former president channeled the sentiment faithfully when he said recently that “the average American doesn’t think that we have to completely tear down the system and remake it.”

He believes, fundamentally, that the American model works — even if it hasn’t been allowed to work for everyone. In some cases, the government should help expand the American Dream to individuals and communities to whom access has been denied. In others, Americans can achieve the dream if only they have the will to surmount obstacles on their own. His second inaugural address was a thoroughly conservative document, underscoring equality of opportunity as opposed to equality of outcome. Republican former House speaker Newt Gingrich praised it at the time, saying, “Ninety-five percent of the speech I thought was classically American, emphasizing hard work, emphasizing self-reliance, emphasizing doing things together.”

In his first year in office, Obama gave a back-to-school address that Republicans panned in advance as big-brotherism, even though its central idea turned out to be: “At the end of the day, the circumstances of your life — what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home — none of that is an excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude in school.”

He once argued that in certain circumstances, government programs created welfare dependency, saying that “as somebody who worked in low-income neighborhoods, I’ve seen it, where people weren’t encouraged to work, weren’t encouraged to upgrade their skills, were just getting a check, and over time, their motivation started to diminish.”

In remarks commemorating the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington, Obama went out of his way to lecture that, after the civil rights era, “what had once been a call for equality of opportunity, the chance for all Americans to work hard and get ahead, was too often framed as a mere desire for government support, as if we had no agency in our own liberation, as if poverty was an excuse for not raising your child, and the bigotry of others was reason to give up on yourself.” You’d never hear that sentiment expressed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), for whom structural inequality explains nearly every American ill.

Obama cast himself as a role model for young black men and repeatedly stressed that not all inequities in American society are attributable to discrimination, racial or otherwise. This posture helped earn him currency with the black electorate (in particular, older black voters), which votes overwhelmingly for Democrats but skews moderate to conservative on several issues.

He embraced respectability politics as a way to signal how conventional it was to have a first family of color: the many Norman Rockwell-worthy photo-ops, such as the 2009 portrait by Annie Leibovitz, a study in wholesome family living; their annual vacations on Martha’s Vineyard, summer haven of the black elite; dialing back his storied “cool,” as when he displayed his stiff dance moves during an appearance on “Ellen,” laying claim to the mantle of the everyman dad. Asked what he thought about Kanye West interrupting Taylor Swift’s 2009 MTV Video Music Awards acceptance speech to shower praise on Beyoncé, Obama offered no mitigating analysis, saying simply, “He’s a jackass.”

Obama called out racism in the criminal justice system. He met with Black Lives Matter activists, and his Justice Department used consent decrees to rein in police departments. For this, right-wing media often portrayed him as a cop-hater; former Milwaukee County sheriff David Clarke, a Fox News fixture, called him “the most anti-cop president I have ever seen.” But the president routinely extolled law enforcement, including at the 2015 convention of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, when he said: “I reject any narrative that seeks to divide police and communities that they serve. I reject a story line that says when it comes to public safety, there’s an ‘us’ and a ‘them.’ ” After George Zimmerman’s acquittal, Obama — who said that “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago” — defended the system, saying “we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken.”

For most of his presidency, Obama governed with a Republican Congress dedicated to preventing his reelection and thwarting his agenda. Most efforts entailed compromise. Still, he made bargains that the rhetoric of current Democratic candidates would seem to foreclose. In 2010, Obama and Republicans traded a two-year extension of former president George W. Bush’s tax cuts, along with a payroll tax holiday and an extension of unemployment benefits, that paved the way for the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” He later agreed to the Budget Control Act of 2011, known as “sequestration,” which brought down year-to-year deficits by slashing federal spending in exchange for GOP votes to raise the debt ceiling.

Obama was a believer in big government, but his views showed many similarities to those of Republican presidents like Theodore Roosevelt, who fought corporate monopolies and later led the Progressive Party; Dwight D. Eisenhower, who signed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Federal Aid Highway Act, creating the interstate highway system; and establishment archetype George H.W. Bush, a veteran of Congress, the United Nations and the CIA who broke his “no new taxes” pledge, rescued savings and loans, and declared an import ban on semiautomatic rifles.

Obama did advance priorities that progressives cheered: He tripled the number of women on the Supreme Court. He announced rules imposing limits on oil and gas emissions and an aggressive plan limiting coal-fired power plant emissions. He supported anti-discrimination protections for LGBT employees and introduced rules that protected some young undocumented immigrants from deportation. (He achieved many of these policies through executive fiat, meaning they could be — or have already been — easily reversed.) But none of these changes revolutionized governance or structurally reordered American life. None of them were meant to.

The difficulty Democratic candidates have in grappling with Obama reflects the dissonance he’s generated for a decade: The center-left adores him, but to the far left, he’s a sellout. He’s being rethought on the center-right, but he remains the bete noire of the far right, which morphed from the (putatively) government-hating tea party wing to a strongman-loving core.

It’s largely due to an enduring misunderstanding of what Obama represented. Notwithstanding the “Change we can believe in” slogan that propelled his rise, his aim was never to turn things upside down. Favoring “the familiar to the unknown,” as Oakeshott wrote, was Obama’s disposition and also his political project: expanding traditional priorities — the familiar American Dream, not a reconceived one — to Americans for whom they had been denied. That meant building, gradually and at times almost reverently, on his predecessors’ foundation.

That has forced Democrats to sort out who they are — and how to fuse Obama’s appeal with an agenda that reaches further than he ever tried, or intended, to go.

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The left is finally throwing Black Jesus under the bus.

Beanie Man on the article:
 
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I've been saying it for years, the liberal of today will become the conservative of tomorrow. Not because the liberal becomes more conservative (depends on the individual) but because those who succeed him always end up becoming so liberal that their predecessors look like literal bigoted monster shitlords in their eyes. Much like the black rights and women's rights activists/supporters of yersteryear being considered the bigots of today for not wanting to make gay cakes or shave tranny cocks. Even the uber-liberal antifa troons of today will be flabbergasted and horrified 30 years from now by their adopted mexican kids wanting to become part of the digital Skynet hivemind.
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You could say the same is also happening on the opposite end considering that some posters on /pol/ with hard-ons for Varg want us to go back to living like technology-less viking cavemen and worship Varg as an incarnation of Odin, but thankfully they're not that prominent or mainstream unlike their counterparts who are expanding at a much faster rate with more approval from the mainstream masses who ignorantly view them as "educated college intellectuals who are just a little weird but well meaning".

Yo faggot, star wars thread is the other way. Leave real issues to real men
 
The article wasn't decrying that he's not woke, I don't know why some of you are sperging out. It makes a very decent case for Obama lining up with what we now consider mainstream conservative (especially since the Religious Right and Tea Party have all but completely disappeared) and wasn't particularly disapproving of that fact or in favor of the current Democrat crop.

I'm surprised, WaPo has been mostly shit for a few years and what do you know, this wasn't the worst thing I've ever read.

Yo faggot, star wars thread is the other way. Leave real issues to real men
What possesses you to be such a huge faggot?
 
The article wasn't decrying that he's not woke, I don't know why some of you are sperging out. It makes a very decent case for Obama lining up with what we now consider mainstream conservative (especially since the Religious Right and Tea Party have all but completely disappeared) and wasn't particularly disapproving of that fact or in favor of the current Democrat crop.

I'm surprised, WaPo has been mostly shit for a few years and what do you know, this wasn't the worst thing I've ever read.
You're not wrong. Mainstream left wing policies in America has skewed to uncanny values and fringe communism, basic civil rights and liberalism by 2000s standards is "conservative" now. Many people will read just the headline, and they know this, and now paint Obama as right leaning. Conservatism isn't a bad thing, at least within reason. Change can be good for society, but not the way it's going now.
 
Not going to happen. Unless it happened on US soil, no US court has jurisdiction to do such.

I don't like the guy, but, I also don't think anything productive comes from hoping for things that just can't happen. He can't be indicted in a US court for the murder of foreign nationals on foreign soil. It's up to the places he did it to bring charges, and even if they did, I doubt anyone would extradite him for the precedent it would set, right or wrong.

Bruh he ordered the death of Americans. Doesn't matter where they were on this planet he is accountable here.

He executed citizens without due process and I'm pretty sure we still don't know why.

Nigga literally executed citizens and his popularity went up but yeah...the DNC harps on that out of context Trump line...

Important to note that he was backed up by his lawyers and accomplices like Holder and Brennan. Like we need another reason to filet those fucks.

Edit: The fuck is this disagree bullshit?

You disagree that he ordered the execution of three fucking US Citizens without due process? Get the fuck out of here cunt. Those people never stood trial. Never had due process. You can get fucked.
 
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What possesses you to be such a huge faggot?
A combination of newfaggotry and trying way too hard to fit in by larping as a nazi and an edgelord would be my guess. Also there's no point in responding to him since he has you, @DanteAlighieri and dozens of others on his ignore list, so he won't see what you say anyway.

Mainstream left wing policies in America has skewed to uncanny values and fringe communism, basic civil rights and liberalism by 2000s standards is "conservative" now. Many people will read just the headline, and they know this, and now paint Obama as right leaning.
Pretty much on the nose.
 
A combination of newfaggotry and trying way too hard to fit in by larping as a nazi and an edgelord would be my guess. Also there's no point in responding to him since he has you, @DanteAlighieri and dozens of others on his ignore list, so he won't see what you say anyway.
Beautiful. I actually feel honored.

But imagine how much of a fag you gotta be to broadcast your ignore list like that.

Edit: especially since it's over being rated Dumb and Autistic. Imagine...
 
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You're not wrong. Mainstream left wing policies in America has skewed to uncanny values and fringe communism, basic civil rights and liberalism by 2000s standards is "conservative" now. Many people will read just the headline, and they know this, and now paint Obama as right leaning. Conservatism isn't a bad thing, at least within reason. Change can be good for society, but not the way it's going now.
Yeah, that's really what the article was trying to get across. He pushed for some mildly progressive stuff, but he was otherwise staunchly in favor of traditional classically liberal American ideals, like taking responsibility for your own actions, respecting the rule of law (in regards to immigration and other things), keeping the family unit intact, believing that the American Dream is a real thing, and maintaining that free market capitalism is still currently the best overall option. In that regard, he's really not that far off from many of the milquetoast conservatives currently in Congress, especially since tons of them have flipped to being okay with gay marriage and are otherwise okay with moderate immigration.
 
If today's far left fanatics would have a shred of self awareness, they'd look at this article and perhaps think: "Are things really that bad in America? Are we going too far with our politics? Perhaps we should reach a middle ground with the other side and work together for the betterment of everybody?"

I personally disagree that Obama had anything to do with the current zeitgeist; I think social media and opportunist boomers (Occupy) had more to do with that.

Yo faggot, star wars thread is the other way. Leave real issues to real men
And racist people like him.
 
mildly progressive stuff,
Lol sure.
taking responsibility for your own actions,
His behavior towards BLM and the various people who were shown after the fact to have been put down lawfully would suggest otherwise. Michael Brown being a rather infamous one.

respecting the rule of law (in regards to immigration and other things),

Immigration sure, but what "other things"?
keeping the family unit intact,
Citation needed.
believing that the American Dream is a real thing,

I'm sure he's said even more stupid shit akin to this. According to him there's just no helping some of the shit that's crushing what people consider to be part of that.

Then there's shit like this where he'd use the phrase as a cudgel to beat his opposition over the head with, not much different really than progressives calling someone a nazi for voting Trump. He talked a good game about "the American Dream" but as usual from him it was all talk.
and maintaining that free market capitalism is still currently the best overall option.

Yeah that's why he was so gung-ho about Obamacare and the slew of free shit he handed out to people. Remember Obama phones?

Not to forget this sanctimonious horseshit where he literally says the government is at the heart of all economic enterprise.

I'll admit I'm not very well read-up on the guy and even I know better than to suggest he's a conservative, it's absurd. Like I said previously in the thread, you could possibly call him a conservative in that he was practically a neocon, but that's about it.
 
Obama’s crowning achievement was being able to join neoliberalism, neoconservatism, and progressivism together. Of course, it was a disaster that led to the election of a guy who never held political office and was known for owning hotels and banging models. I’m not sure why people want to defend Obama, not even Democrats as he hollowed out his own party, which is why they have such a poor crop of candidates for 2020.
 
Lol sure.
That's...pretty tepid progressivism. I hate to break it to you, but every neolib spouts off about diversity and inclusion.

His behavior towards BLM and the various people who were shown after the fact to have been put down lawfully would suggest otherwise. Michael Brown being a rather infamous one.
Immigration sure, but what "other things"?
The article specifically mentions that he defended Zimmerman being acquitted as just and done lawfully, and that people would have to accept it. He didn't approve of any of the riots, either.

Citation needed.
He was very critical of black fathers leaving their kids, and famously flip flopped on gay marriage.

I'm sure he's said even more stupid shit akin to this. According to him there's just no helping some of the shit that's crushing what people consider to be part of that.
Saying that jobs aren't coming back is not denying the existence of the American Dream, it is acknowledging the reality that the American Dream means adapting and doing what you have to do to be successful. The various mythologies surrounding famous American inventors and businessmen involve them changing when the old ways just weren't working. You criticize him in the next quote for being too willing to use the government to cudgel economic policy, wouldn't forcing factories to keep jobs when they're not economically viable be the definition of government interference?

Not to forget this sanctimonious horseshit where he literally says the government is at the heart of all economic enterprise.
That speech was saying was that the public sector has been behind tons of American inventions. And that's demonstrably true. The internet, probably the greatest modern invention, was largely developed by the Department of Defense. It was also said on the campaign trail.

It think it's absolutely fair to call him a conservative in some respects. The problem is that conservative has become a snarl word for the left and a sort of in-group for the right when really it means that you keep the shit that works because there's no reason to reinvent the wheel. The article shows rather well that he often said that the American way of doing things was pretty much the best way, it's just that minorities didn't have """access""" to those things. In that sense, you couldn't ever call him a Republican, because they'd be laughing at that shit.
 
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Also there's no point in responding to him since he has you, @DanteAlighieri and dozens of others on his ignore list, so he won't see what you say anyway.

Anyone who broadcasts their ignore list like a faggot bending over at a poz party also certainly actually seethes angrily while reading the people they "ignore."
 
The virtue signalers who elected Obama in 2008 have either grown up and realized they mistake they made electing such an ineffective president (I mean even Clinton started a war in Yugoslavia just because they tried to snipe his wife at that airport) or they've been hired by the DNC to promote "new" and "relevant" political "issues" in order to recruit the next group of young retards to vote for them.

Absolute fucking state
 
That's...pretty tepid progressivism. I hate to break it to you, but every neolib spouts off about diversity and inclusion.
As opposed to what, exactly? Just because he's not frothing at the mouth about white people being evil doesn't change the fact that he's rather progressive, and behaved as such in his tenure as president.
The article specifically mentions that he defended Zimmerman being acquitted as just and done lawfully, and that people would have to accept it. He didn't' approve of any of the riots, either.
You're ignoring the tone he's taken in his statement on the matter. Much like with Trayvon Martin he acts as if though this was a blameless tragedy, and not the fault of some jumped up hoodrat getting capped for being a retard around the cops.

Which, uh, by the way, is also rather progressive of him.
He was very critical of black fathers leaving their kids, and famously flip flopped on gay marriage.
He flip-flopped on gay marriage because it was convenient, just like if he thought criticizing black dads (the lack thereof, I mean) would've fucked him over he wouldn't have done it.
Saying that jobs aren't coming back is not denying the existence of the American dream, it is acknowledging the reality that the American dream means adapting and doing what you have to do to be successful.
That's horseshit. Effectively saying "your hopes of achieving the american dream are dead and nothing will bring it back" or "the american dream that you used to know has changed and it's shitty" is in effect denying it to people. You can't piss on people and tell them it's raining, which is what I was showing two very good examples of him doing.
You criticize him in the next quote for being too willing to use the government to cudgel economic policy,
You need to re-read what I posted. I said he uses the phrase "the American Dream" as a cudgel to beat his enemies over the head with to get what he wants, in a method similar to, say, naming a bill that violates many different constitutional rights "The Patriot Act" or calling people who don't want to send american soldiers to die in a sandy shithole unpatriotic.
wouldn't forcing factories to keep jobs when they're not economically viable be the definition of government interference?
While that's not really a part of anything I was getting at as far as I'm aware, I'll answer this anyway. Not all economic interference by a government is necessarily left-wing, and I wasn't trying to say that.
That speech was saying was that the public sector has been behind tons of American inventions. And that's demonstrably true. The internet, probably the greatest modern invention, was largely developed by the Department of Defense. It was also said on the campaign trail.
I'm going to directly quote the relevant portions of it here:

Obama said:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn't – look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.

Obama said:
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges--if you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

The undertones throughout the speech are difficult to miss - you were only successful because the government allowed you to be.

Also notably there's interesting takes from people like Forbes on his economic policy and what it was meant to accomplish.
It think it's absolutely fair to call him a conservative in some respects.
This is starting to remind me of the people in the Sargon of Akkad thread who keep insisting that he's right-wing.

There's plenty of people who acknowledge that fatherlessness in black america is a problem, and other such conservative talking points on a case-by-case basis. That doesn't make you a conservative. I don't consider myself a conservative just because I agree with conservatives on some issues. This is like saying that "it's fair to call Unog a progressive in some respects because he doesn't think black people should be forced to drink at separate water fountains".

For what it's worth I wouldn't consider him a progressive, either. He's very clearly neolib/neocon.
The problem is that conservative has become a snarl word for the left and a sort of in-group for the right when really it means that you keep the shit that works because there's no reason to reinvent the wheel.
You know what? I'll let the conservatives decide what it means and derive whether or not someone is one by their definition of what it means to be a part of their group. Why don't we all give that a try, eh?
The article shows rather well that he often said that the American way of doing things was pretty much the best way, it's just that minorities didn't have """access""" to those things.
He often said that with the distinct message that his America's way was the best way, not that America's way was best. He shit all the fuck over America, frequently even.
In that sense, you couldn't ever call him a Republican, because they'd be laughing at that shit.
I wouldn't ever call him a conservative, and I'd definitely be laughing at this shit if it weren't for the fact that apparently some people are taking this stupid shit seriously.
 
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:story: Damn, they’re eating their own faster than I thought.

I figured we would have to wait until at least 2022 to watch them go full Whig. But it seems I was a bit too conservative in my estimates. So lets look at the score shall we? Thomas Jefferson unpersoned by the Dems. Andrew Jackson clearly a Nazi. Barrack Obama Reagan'esque ultra Conservative. Is it just me, or ar ethe only Dem Presidents that the Dems still like Woodrow Wilson and Jimmy Carter? Talk about a winning group!

Barack Obama was my favorite Republican President.

His expansion of NSA powers, his persecution of whistle blowers help keep this country safe from threats foreign and domestic.
His nomination of Justice Roberts, noted conservative, was absolutely instrumental in forcing the American populace to purchase coverage from patriotic insurance companies.
Most importantly, I am fond of his attempt to bring American gun rights to Mexican citizens through Fast and Furious.

Lets not forget his revolutionary program of the extra judicial drone killing of US Children on Foreign soil.
 
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