None other than Julia Serano, Nyk's personal transition guru whose book
Whipping Girl inspired Nyk to transition, responded to the drama with a gigantic thread claiming she wasn't going to respond... but of course in true trannie style she went on and on forever about Nyk, which quickly disintegrated into outright rage-tweeting and swearing (very punk rock and riot grrrl):
I had absolutely no plans to comment on the Discourse™ surrounding Contrapoints' recent comments about pronoun go-arounds. at first, it was largely an in-community debate, and I saw lots of people sharing their various perspectives. so I didn't feel the need to add my voice...
LMAO, "I had absolutely no plans to comment" but the thread is 26 tweets! I love how these trannies are so compartmentalized that they literally contradict themselves from one tweet to the next. I fucking live for this shit.
...but today, I keep seeing variations of "OMG trans people cancelled Contrapoints!" and "yet another example of intolerance on the left!" – it's these latter claims that have compelled me to compose this THREAD...
A THREAD... because your devotee and desciple Nyk is unworthy of a blog article? Come on Julia, throw Nyky a bone, he said it was your book Whipping Girl that inspired him to troon out.
1) we have been living through a several-year-long period in which pundits on the right, center, and left have collectively & relentlessly complained about and/or outright mocked trans people's preferred pronouns and any attempts by cis people to welcome or validate them...
So the Caitlyn Jenner tipping point supposedly never happened according to Julia.
...this is *literally* the issue that first made Jordan Peterson famous. and many other people have capitalized upon it beforehand & since...
No, what made Memerson famous is your SJW cult's censorship of him. Ever heard of the Streisand Effect? I guess not.
...while some of these people deride all trans people's preferred pronouns (including those of binary trans people like Contrapoints & me), the lion's share of this demonization has been directed squarely at non-binary folks and gender-neutral pronouns (e.g., they/them)...
If you are supposedly so respectful, why do you call Nyk "ContraPoints" and not "Natalie Wynn Parrott"? He has said repeatedly that "ContraPoints" is the name of the channel, not his name, and that he doesn't want to be called "Contra" or "ContraPoints". See what you did there? This is how utterly fucked up you people are. You can't even uphold your own standards of respect, but you expect everyone else to. No one should ever bow down to your ridiculous unlivable inhuman demands. No one.
2) I no longer have the original comments to refer to, but it seemed to me that a) Contrapoints was sharing personal feelings about how, in situations where one is the only known trans person in a space, pronoun go-arounds can potentially make you feel singled out for being trans
You could easily look them up since they've been archived all over the place, but you won't because you are a trans demagogue and you don't care about looking up the facts before running your mouth on Twitter. Just like Nyk goes and denounces Dave Chappele without even watching the show first.
...she is hardly the first person to express discomfort about being in that situation – to be honest, I've felt similarly myself on occasion...
No, you never felt what Nyk felt because you transitioned under the old system of diagnosis gatekeeping. Your whole book is one gigantic rant against diagnosing and gatekeeping. You are an actual transsexual in the original sense of the term. Nyk is not.
...but of course, neither I nor Contrapoints are *actually* being singled out in such instances, *provided* that these same cis people also suggest doing pronoun go-arounds on all occasions, even when they are unaware of any trans people being present...
Of course he is being singled out and rightfully so. Those cis women know there's a trans intruder in their space and they respond accordingly by going through the rituals, that you fucking cult has indoctrinated them with.
& btw, if you just so happen to be a cis person who *only* suggests sharing pronouns when you know a trans person is present, then i) you are completely missing the point of these exchanges, ii) you are being cissexist, and iii) Contrapoints was right, at least w/regard to you...
See what I mean? It's never good enough with these people, no amount of ritualistic groveling or kissing the ring is ever good enough. This is why you should just say fuck them, give them the finger and walk away.
...this last scenario could have been a very useful conversation for all of us to have (i.e., about cissexist deployment of pronoun exchanges), but it has been largely overlooked because...
Naw, it sounds like an obvious suckerpunch to me: get cis people to do the pronouns ritual, then suckerpunch them and attack them for doing the ritual as instructed. It's a deliberate Catch 22: you are cissexist for doing the pronouns ritual and you are cissexist for not doing it. This is why you gotta say, fuck this bullshit, fuck these people, you are all crazy, I am out.
b) many interpreted Contrapoints' comments as going beyond critiquing potential cissexist misuses of pronoun go-arounds, and veering into the territory of "pronoun go-arounds are bad/merely performative/hurtful to binary trans people/etc."...
Does anyone outside the cult even understand what the fuck this tweet means? LMAO, cis people looking at this shit don't even know what "truscum" means.
..to be clear, Contrapoints didn't outright say any of the latter (at least that I saw). but she also never clarified that that *wasn't* what she was saying. some trans people seemed to give her the benefit of the doubt. others didn't, in part...
Nyk didn't clarify because he too is just fucking sick and tired of having to clarify. He will never say this of course because he's trapped in his own cult, but I bet that was part of it.
...because of other things she has apparently said in the past that were perceived (by some) to be anti-non-binary. I am admittedly not familiar with this history, but it brings me to the most important point IMHO...
Again, those tweets have been mirrored everywhere, if you gave a fuck you could look them up but you don't because you don't care about informing yourself before running your mouth on Twitter.
3) in a world where preferred pronouns are under constant attack from anti-trans/trans-skeptical people, and where the brunt of those attacks target non-binary ppl & gender neutral pronouns, it is perfectly understandable why many non-binary people would be distressed...
“3) in a world where preferred pronouns are under constant attack from anti-trans/trans-skeptical people, and where the brunt of those attacks target non-binary ppl & gender neutral pronouns, it is perfectly understandable why many non-binary people would be distressed...”
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..if one of the more famous trans people (with a large cisgender audience) suggested (or at least left the impression) that pronoun go-arounds (which primarily support trans ppl who are non-binary and/or unlikely to be read as their identified gender) are bad/hurtful...
“...if one of the more famous trans people (with a large cisgender audience) suggested (or at least left the impression) that pronoun go-arounds (which primarily support trans ppl who are non-binary and/or unlikely to be read as their identified gender) are bad/hurtful...”
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...seriously, if you added up the followers of all the non-binary folks who replied negatively to Contrapoints' tweets, it wouldn't surprise me if they were still far shy of the # of followers Contrapoints had. which leads me to...
“...seriously, if you added up the followers of all the non-binary folks who replied negatively to Contrapoints' tweets, it wouldn't surprise me if they were still far shy of the # of followers Contrapoints had. which leads me to...”
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4) every public trans person I know (including myself) has experienced a social media "pile on" (or 2 or 5 or 20) from other folks within the trans community in response to things we have written or said. sometimes these are due to misinterpretations or outright disagreements...
...I have 16K followers here – far less than Contrapoints, but far more than most trans ppl. as much as I (like all ppl) hate receiving negative feedback...
Note the backhanded jelly here: "Meeeh, I am not as popular as Nyyykyyy".
...in a culture where trans people's voices & perspectives are so rarely ever heard, I completely understand why some might protest & get angry if I make a trans-related comment that they feel undermines their personal needs & experiences...
Just a bunch of junkies fighting over their stash. Twitter is a gigantic stinking rat-invested crack den full of social media junkies fighting and fussing over completely insignificant and irrelevant bullshit. Fucking gross.
...those comments are not personal attacks on me (although some may stoop to ad hominem), but rather they are a reflection of a world in which trans people (and marginalized groups more generally) are constantly undermined, their perspectives ignored, their needs unmet...
“...those comments are not personal attacks on me (although some may stoop to ad hominem), but rather they are a reflection of a world in which trans people (and marginalized groups more generally) are constantly undermined, their perspectives ignored, their needs unmet...”
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5) nobody "cancelled" Contrapoints. she wasn't fired or kicked off Twitter or YouTube. she seems to have shut down her Twitter account on her own accord. maybe she'll be back. maybe she (like many others before her) has decided to leave this platform once and for all...
Duh, Nyk is #toobigtofail we've been saying that here since forever.
...either way, that's her prerogative. I wish her the best. but for those cis people who have been griping over the last day or two about "trans ppl cancelling Contrapoints," I want to say this: FUCK YOU!
OH HOW EDGY! What are gonna fuck me with Julia? You don't have a dick no more, did you forget?
...you should be fucking grateful that you are not constantly under attack, and that any words you utter might (at any time, regardless of your intention) be used to undermine members of your own community...
Bitch, shut up, we are under attack constantly, KF just got doxxed and DDoSed. No one gives a shit about Nyk. Fuck, most of us can't even watch his videos anymore because of his shitty Michael Jackson impersonation making those videos unbearable to sit through. Only you obsessed SJW cult members sit there nitpicking over every word coming out of dear leader's mouth.
...if you are more concerned about a YouTube artist that you've enjoyed (& I have as well) leaving Twitter than you are about trans people's identities & lives & yes pronouns being taken seriously, then FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU!
NO DICK NO DICK NO DICK NO DICK YOU CAN'T FUCK COS YOU GOT NO DICK!!!
BTW Julia, why u so mad bro, is the spiro no longer blocking those androgens in your crazy head? That outburst was rather overtly masc, girl. Let the record show I do not approve of that. Up the spiro dose, doctor.
finally had a chance to read some replies. surprised to see so many ppl assuming this thread is either blatantly supporting what Contrapoints said or attacking her. it is neither. it is simply my personal take (as a longtime trans activist) on the discourse surround this debate
That is some bullshit right there. You know Nyk is a devotee of your work and has referenced it in his videos. Of course you were going to defend your loyal disciple, trannies are nepotistic like that.
...if I had to write a TL;DR: 1) I understand the many different reactions Contrapoints' statements evoked within trans communities, 2) cis ppl who decry "OMG they cancelled Contrapoints" without giving serious consideration to legitimate critiques of her statements are cissexist
Look at all those cis ppl being like totally destroyed by Julia. There is no legitimate critique because this is all about a bunch of made up Tumblr bullshit and none of it is legit. Do you think infidels give a shit about the difference between Wahhabism, Shi'a and Sunni Islam? They just see a bunch of religious fanatics killing each other. This is the same thing. Just a bunch of internet crazies going at each other's throats babbling in a lingo no one understands.
