🌟 Internet Famous The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

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mooo said:
Talula is such a weird character. She's always supposed to have been the villain who does bad things for good reasons but Enter fucked it up. In the original drafts, she's just trying to protect the town from Sally who regularly causes millions in property damages but then she realizes Sally is going to win the election solely because Talula is getting old, so she decides to train Sally to become the mayor by putting her in tough situations that test her abilities. I guess Enter didn't like how she turned out to not really be a villain, so since then he's just been tacking on random breakdowns and unprovoked mean things for her to do in an out of character way.
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That's not even remotely evil sounding, just someone going through puberty dealing with a rowdy child.
 
mooo said:
Talula is such a wierd character [...] I guess Enter didn't like how she turned out to not really be a villain, so since then he's just been tacking on random breakdowns and unprovoked mean things for her to do in an out of character way.
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Ironic, considering his whole stance against characters who do unprovoked mean things
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
That's not even remotely evil sounding, just someone going through puberty dealing with a rowdy child.
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There isn’t a reason for there to be a villain in a show like this anyway. He probably just feels that Sally is impossible to root for unless someone has it in for her.

mooo said:
Talula is such a weird character. She's always supposed to have been the villain who does bad things for good reasons but Enter fucked it up. In the original drafts, she's just trying to protect the town from Sally who regularly causes millions in property damages but then she realizes Sally is going to win the election solely because Talula is getting old, so she decides to train Sally to become the mayor by putting her in tough situations that test her abilities. I guess Enter didn't like how she turned out to not really be a villain, so since then he's just been tacking on random breakdowns and unprovoked mean things for her to do in an out of character way.
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I disagree with that assessment because it implies actual attention to detail and character planning, things Enter is incapable of.
 
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OmnipotentStupidity said:
I'll leave @mooo and @LiquidKid to discuss Enter's terrible writing as that's more suited to their expertise. That said, It Girl: Part 2's description in and of itself is especially weird as it doesn't really talk about the script itself as much as it talks about what's coming in the "show's" future.
ZOMG, maybe I'm learning to finish what I started. And now here's the ending of the first arc. That doesn't mean there are no other "season one" episodes because there are. I've been writing basically the main structure episodes. The ones that help build the bones and determine the world and characters, etc. When those are done, I'll be able to make episodes that are just pure fun or simple.

And this was... the hardest script to write for sure. The whole It Girl... trilogy I guess. Even ignoring keeping the tone correct, I had to take Sally from angry at Max to the point she left Summerway to forgiving Max to being angry at Talula and running for mayor. But I think it's worth it, and I hope it answers the question of "why does this need to be a three parter." A lot of development had to happen.

I loved the ideas of game towns originally. I think that was one of the more memorable ideas that came from the series (relatively) early on, and I like the expansions that came up here. It makes a lot more sense of game towns to be essentially covered up, which of course gave Niall a pretty big role.

Now... here's the one thing that might be interesting. Kind of... spoiling the series... within the series itself. When writing, there's always a temptation to "show your hand" and foreshadow plot twists and such. But... I mean, anyone with any sense of analysis would probably predict that Sally would become mayor. From a storytelling standpoint, there's no reason to hide it considering that it's a very easy thing to guess. And it gives the better question - would Sally become a good mayor. After all, how would she have handled the Pixelotchi situation?

On top of that, it puts Talula in an interesting villain role. In season 2, she gets to be a villain that has nothing to lose. And of course, there's the old quote "a man with nothing to lose is capable of anything." She knows she's going to lose power, respect, her life's work, and nothing else is on her mind than... testing Sally. And by "test" I mean GlaDOS's definition. It should be interesting.
So let's take this one step at a time, shall we?


Okay, here's a very important tip when writing any kind of long-form story: if you plan on ending an overarching plot in a series, and plan to have that be the first arc (never mind this show still being in its "first season") wherein major character changes and plot development happens? You save that shit for your season finale. Otherwise your actual finale that follows the aftermath of those events will be boring by comparison; don't blow your load mid-season unless you have something even bigger planned for the finale.

This would be like if Steven Universe had "Jailbreak" happen in Episode 19, and the rest of the season including the finale just focused on the Townies: the climax would be wasted, and every preceding episode would feel like a waste of time.


Enter doesn't seem to understand the meaning of being a showrunner whatsoever: they do help build the bones of the world and characters, yes, but they also don't write every single episode as well as the ideas and dialogue within each scene. That's why every show has a writing staff. That's why you write a show bible. When you try and do everything and anything save for art by yourself, you're not going to get anything done; you're restricting the creativity of anyone trying to work, to write character dialogue or impromptu jokes or whathaveyou, because everything needs to be this way because you said so.

You know what well-known showrunner did try doing that? John K. Difference was that that show worked in spite of John, not because of him. To the point where his own staff ended up taking jabs at his expense in said episodes.

Hell, going back to the SU comparison, even though Rebecca Sugar knew where her show was going to go from the outset, she at least let her team work and have fun with these characters in ways that still made sense to who they were. That's why people go into animation and work on shows: it's basically a central jam session of ideas and stories all thrown into a melting pot to make something fun that people'll want to watch.

It's a collaborative medium for a reason; this is just slightly higher-quality fanfiction, and even that's giving it too much credit.


This just in: writing your character like a emotionally schizophrenic wreck in a three part episode makes a story harder to write. More at 11.


*Big brained creator tries to meta-textually fuck with his audience and fails miserably.*

Holy fuck, my sides: trying to develop characters is not a plot twist! That's not even a narrative twist of showing your hand early, especially when your audience can see everything coming! Unless Games Town is reappearing or is setting up for Sally to reconsider her moral choices of how she'd handle bigger conflicts down the line, how she would've handled Pixelotchi doesn't mean anything, it's over and done with.

I also somehow doubt Enter has the proper writing ability and nuance to expand on her character like that considering in this very episode, Sally doesn't really learn anything by the end of this. AGAIN. She's still the same brat she always was. and nothing in this script (from what little I've read of it, at least) indicates character progression like Enter's trying to convey in the description: it feels like the script itself and the plans going forward are being written by two separate people! With neither of them knowing what the other's doing.


Either Enter really doesn't understand the implications of comparing Sally and Talula's relationship to Chell and GlaDOS, or Season 2 is about to become a whole lot more dark and sinister. Which, considering the dystopian implications that Growing Around likes to conveniently side-step, is quite the accomplishment.

EDIT: And all of this doesn't even begin to explain the sheer stupidity that is the "three-parter" aspect of this episode. This isn't a "three-parter". This ia a two-parter that got stretched into being three parts. That sort of shit doesn't even happen to actual shows that have a production cycle until late into their lifespans; how in the fuck Enter accomplished this in a script format, let alone in the first season of the show will forever remain a mystery.
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Wow. He's so incompetent he could probably work at Rooster Teeth!
 
ForerunnerAI said:
Wow. He's so incompetent he could probably work at Rooster Teeth!
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Ugh, why is it that you only seem to belittle other content creators or companies? This is a thread about Enter, not Rooster Teeth. Stop being such an autistic sperg.
 
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Kids being adults and kid's games and shit?
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ForerunnerAI said:
Wow. He's so incompetent he could probably work at Rooster Teeth!
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Y'know: if you've got an argument for him, at least PM it so we don't have to see you sperg out at people trying to laugh at a lolcow. Nobody gives a shit about your opinion on RoosterTeeth, we're here to talk about Enter. Taking it off the thread was a good first start, but it seems you sputtered out of control right before you hit the finish line.

But by all means keep powerleveling and making an ass out of yourself - makes for more shit to laugh at during the lulls in activity.
 
OmnipotentStupidity said:

Y'know: if you've got an argument for him, at least PM it so we don't have to see you sperg out at people trying to laugh at a lolcow. Nobody gives a shit about your opinion on RoosterTeeth, we're here to talk about Enter. Taking it off the thread was a good first start, but it seems you sputtered out of control right before you hit the finish line.

But by all means keep powerleveling and making an ass out of yourself - makes for more shit to laugh at during the lulls in activity.
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I'm honestly never sure if he’s a plant trying to make Enter look good, or truly an aspiring lolcow with severe autism
 
LiquidKid said:
I'm honestly never sure if he’s a plant trying to make Enter look good, or truly an aspiring lolcow with severe autism
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I can definitely believe the former over the latter. Because if it's the former, not only is he doing a piss-poor job of doing that, but he's simultaneously making people focus on Enter even more by constantly bumping the thread and having others react to him both here and outside of the thread.

These gay-ops suck, I want my money back.
 
OmnipotentStupidity said:
I can definitely believe the former over the latter. Because if it's the former, not only is he doing a piss-poor job of doing that, but he's simultaneously making people focus on Enter even more by constantly bumping the thread and having others react to him both here and outside of the thread.

These gay-ops suck, I want my money back.
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We’ve skipped Enter’s 11 and went straight to Enter’s 8
 
OmnipotentStupidity said:
So when's the Growing Around movie coming, huh? Because that seems to be the next logical step given he's ticked off DeviantArt crossovers, Indiegogo merchandising, a plotted six seasons, and a frankly excruciating soundtrack.

Six seasons and a movie John, them's the rules apparently.
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How about a video game? Wait, hasn't he done that too? I swear I remember him making a little RPGMaker game based on Growing Around.
 
LiquidKid said:
Oh god. Alright, I’ll do the reading for this one as well. Give me a bit and we’ll see how much creepier this can get.

Remember, last time had:
Unicorns throwing semen on a April
Rick and Morty Squirrels
Molly being Vored by a flower
Sally almost vored by a mermaid
Molly being tentacle raped
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Oh boy... it can only get worse from here
 
9 pages in and there’s just a few random school hijinx with Sally not fitting in. Nothing special... and then Sally chases the purple pudding and gets high as fuck. I’m not joking, the school serves her drugs. She’s allegedly the only person to ever order the purple pudding, which is supposed to be “poison”
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LiquidKid said:
9 pages in and there’s just a few random school hijinx with Sally not fitting in. Nothing special... and then Sally chases the purple pudding and gets high as fuck. I’m not joking, the school serves her drugs. She’s allegedly the only person to ever order the purple pudding, which is supposed to be “poison”
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And to further add to the ever-growing list of rip-offs, we've got O.K. K.O.: Let's Be Heroes!.

https://twitter.com/JordanPowers95/status/1040047252922949632

(Sorry for the Twitter link, but it's the only link I could find that had the clip to go along with this.)
 
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