@Barabbas, regarding Michfest: AFAIK, the issue was that women insisted on bringing their school-age boys that they didn't have babysitters for, because patriarchy, or wanted to raise awareness for matriarchy. And at Michfest, women could walk around topless or nude and most women didn't want these 6-10 yos staring at them, so Michfest made a boys' camp within the camp that the boys were restricted from leaving. Some boys, like Tobi Hill-Meyer, ended up coming back 8-10 years later with spears to besiege Michfest from Camp Trans.