EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
lol firing tear gas from helicopters is just too perfect. Hovering hundreds of feet above the commoners and firing down on them? Sure sounds like Macron.

The best part is that it smacks of weakness, and I think the GJ will sense that.
 
They already killed at least one old lady firing them ground-level, no counter-measure is 100% safe to deploy indiscriminately against a crowd. That's why they're called "less lethal" options, there's no guarantee you won't pull a "golden BB" and hit someone fatally in their cranial sweet spot with whatever your'e using.
 
"Surely this will subdue the protests" said Macron for the fifteenth time.

I don't think the guy even has a plan. If he had any kind of plan or even common sense he'd step down and move to some small Greek island or something.
 
Macron has started a National Debate today to find solutions to the Yellow Vest crisis, and funnily enough wearing a yellow vest in the town where he launched the debate was made illegal for the duration of the event, and those who did exposed themselves to 135e fines ($150).
http://www.francesoir.fr/societe-fa...ulde-porter-un-gilet-jaune-135-euros-d-amende

Additionally, the policemen present were taking pictures of the identity documents of all the people who went to the debate. Profiling at its finest.
Haven't found anything about it in the international news, but in France, it's everywhere.

https://francais.rt.com/france/5793...-retirer-leur-gilets-jaunes-sous-peine-amende
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...tirer-leur-gilet-jaune-15-01-2019-7989273.php
https://fr.sputniknews.com/france/201901151039646963-amende-gilets-jaunes-net-enrage/

That feel when you can't even launch a national debate about exiting the crisis without fucking up.
 
Wouldn't gas canisters fired from so high up be quite dangerous if they hit someone?
i think it'd be safer because they would have had time to sail through the air and slow down to terminal velocity as opposed to being fired from relatively point blank range
 
His plan is probably to do what mommy tells him to do.

His response was to release a 2300 word letter with 20 questions on sunday (or so reports say). I need to find a translation.

Scuffed translation below
Dear Frenchmen, Frenchwomen, my dear countrymen,

In this time of questions and uncertainty, we need to remind ourselves of what we are.

France is a country like no other.

We feel injustice more vividly than elsewhere. The expectancy of solidarity and mutual help is stronger.

Here, those who work finance the pensions of the retirees. Here, a great number of citizens pays a sometimes heavy income tax that reduces inequalities. Here, education, healthcare, security, and justice are accessible to everyone without care for their situation and wealth. The hardships of life like unemployment can be overcome thanks to the effort shared by everyone.

This is why France, among all nations, is one of the most brotherly and egalitarian.

It is also one of the most free, since everyone is protected within his right and freedom of opinion, conscience, belief, or philosophy.

And each citizen has the right to chose those who will carry his or her voice in the governance of the country, making of the laws, and big decisions to make.

Every person shares the destiny of others, and every person is called to decide the destiny of everyone: the French Nation is all that.

How can one not feel proud of being French?

I know of course that some of us are now dissatisfied or angry. Because the taxes are too high for them, the public services are too far off, because the paychecks are too low for some to live with dignity from the fruits of their labor, because our country doesn't offer the same chances of success based on where you live and what family you come from. All would want the country to be more prosperous, and society - more just.

I share this ambition. The society we want is one where, to succeed, you shouldn't need relations or wealth, but effort and work. (I'm sorry, this is too good. The only reason this dude is President is because of social networking and initial family wealth. He's the very definition of establishment, but anyways, let me go on).

In France, but also in Europe and in the world, disquietude and trouble have seized the minds. We need to answer to them with clear thoughts.

But there is one condition for this : do not tolerate any form of violence. I do not accept pressure or insults on the politicians elect by the people, for instance. I do not accept baseless accusations in general about medias, journalists, institutions, and government workers. If everyone starts being aggressive towards everyone, society collapses !

In order for hopes to triumph over fears, it is necessary and legitimate that we ask ourselves once more the big questions about our future.

This is why I offered and I'm launching today a big national debate that will take place until March 15. For the past few weeks, mayors have opened their town halls so that you may express your expectations there. We will now enter a larger phase, and you will be able to join local debates or express yourself on the internet to make your proposals and ideas heard. In the Hexagon (nickname for France due to its geography), in the off-shore territories, and among Frenchmen residing abroad. In villages, towns, districts, at the behest of mayors, elect deputies, associations, or simple citizens... In parliamentary, but also regional and department assemblies.

Mayors will now have a vital role since they are your elect politicians and thus the legitimate intermediary for citizen expression.

For me, there are no forbidden questions. We will not agree on everything; it is normal - that's democracy. But at least, we will show that we are a people that has no fear of talking, exchanging, and debating.

And maybe we will find that we can agree, as a majority, beyond our preferences, more often than we think.

I have not forgotten that I have been elected on a project, on big directives that I still hold true to. I still think that we need to give France back its prosperity so that she may be generous, because there is not one without the other. I still think that the fight against unemployment should be our big priority, and that jobs are first created in firms, and that we thus need to give them the means to develop themselves. I still think that we need to build anew an industrial, agricultural, and numerical sovereignty, and that we thus need to invest in research and development. I still think that we need to build anew a school of trust, a renovated social system to better protect Frenchmen and reduce inequalities at their root. I still think that the exhaustion of natural resources and climate change force us to rethink our model of development. We need to invent a productive, social, educational, environmental, and European project - more just and efficient. About these big directives, my determination has not changed.

But I also think that a clarification of our national and European project may emerge from this debate, new ways to see the future, new ideas.

I wish that most of the Frenchmen, most of us, would participate to this debate.

This debate will have to answer to the essential questions that have arisen these past weeks. This is why, with the Government, we have kept four big themes that cover most of the stakes of the Nation : the tax system and public spending, the organisation of the State and the public services, the ecological transition, the democracy and citizenship. About each of these themes, propositions and questions have already been expressed. I wish to formulate some that would not dry the debate but that seem to be at the heart of our musings.

The first one concerns our taxes, spending, and public action.
Tax is at the heart of our national solidarity. It finances our public services. It pays professors, firemen, policemen, the military, magistrates, nurses, and all the public employees that work for your service. It allows to give social allowances to the most fragile, as well as to finance certain big projects for the future, our research, our culture, and maintain our infrastructures. It is also the tax that allows to pay the interests of the country's very big debt, that has increased through time.

But tax, when it is too high, deprives our economy from resources that would be very useful to invest in firms, thus creating jobs and growth. And it deprives workers from the fruits of their labor. We will not go back on the steps we have taken to correct this to encourage investment and do so that work pays more. These measures have just been voted in and have just begun to work. The Parliament will evaluate them in a transparent manner, and with the necessary distance. We however have to question ourselves to go further.

How could we make our tax system more just and efficient? What taxes would you like to see reduced as a priority?
We cannot, no matter the situation, follow up on tax cuts without diminishing our global level of public spending.

What are the savings you feel should be prioritized?

Should we remove certain public services that seem obsolete or too expensive compared to their utility? On the other hand, do you see the need for new public services, and how would you finance them?
Our social model is also under fire. Some judge it insufficient, others too expensive because of the fees they pay. The efficiency of education as well as employment services is often criticized. The Government has begun to answer to that, after large discussions, with a strategy to better our healthcare, fight against poverty and against unemployment.

How to better organize our social pact? What are the objectives to define in priority?

The second topic to make decisions about is the organization of the state and the public communities.
The public services have a price, but they are vital : schools, police, army, hospitals, tribunals are essential for our social cohesion.

Are there too many administrative levels or too many levels of local communities? Should we reinforce decentralization and give more power of decision and action closer to the citizens? At which levels and for which services?

How would you like the State to be organized, and how would it improve its action? Should we rethink the working of the administration and how?

How can the State and local communities improve to better answer to the challenges of our most struggling territories, and what would you suggest?

The ecological transition is the third theme, essential to our future.
I have committed to goals of preserving the biodiversity and fighting against the global warming and air pollution. Today, no one can contest the imperious necessity to act fast. The more we delay challenging ourselves, the more these changes will be painful.

Doing the ecological transition helps to reduce expenditures in fuel, heating, recycling, and transports. But to succeed in this transition, we need to massively invest, and guide our more modest countrymen.

A national solidarity is necessary so that all Frenchmen can achieve it.

How do we finance the ecological transition: through income tax, other taxes, and what should be touched upon in priority?

How do we get to the most concrete solutions accessible to everyone, for example to replace one's old boiler or car? What are the simplest solutions, and the most tolerable from a financial perspective?

What are the solutions to travel, live, heat, and eat that should be thought of on a local level rather than on a national one? What are the concrete proposals you would have to speed up our environmental transition?

The question of biodiversity is also asked to everyone.

How can we scientifically guarantee the choices we have to make about it? How to spread these choices on a European and International level so that our farmers and industrialists would not be penalized compared to the foreign competition?

Finally, it is evident that the time our country is going through shows that we need to give more strength to the democracy and citizenship.
To be a citizen is to contribute to the decisions about the country's future by elections of representatives on a local, national, or European level. This system of representation is the foundation of our Republic, but it needs to be improved because many don't feel represented following these elections.

Should we count the white vote? Should we make voting mandatory?

What is the good amount of proportionality for legislative elections to have more just representation of all the political projects?

Should we limit the amount of parliamentarians or other categories of deputies, and in what proportions?

What role do our assemblies, including the Senate and the Economic, Social, and Environmental Council, should play to represent our territories and our civil society? Should we transform them and how?

Among other things, a big democracy like France has to be able to listen more often to the voice of its citizens.

What changes would you like to make citizen participation more active, and to make democracy more participatory?

Should we associate more directly non-elect citizens to public decision-making, for instance by drawing them at random?

Should we increase the amount of referendums, and who should have the initiative to call upon them?

Citizenship means also living together.

Our country has always been able to welcome those who flee wars, persecutions, and who have looked for refuge upon our soil : it is the right to asylum, that cannot be put into question. Our national community has also always been open to those who, born abroad, have chosen France in hopes of a better future : this is how France was built. However, this tradition is now shaken by tensions and doubts linked to immigration and the failure of our integration system.

What would you propose to improve the integration within our Nation? When it comes to immigration, once our obligations to asylum fulfilled, would you like for us to fix yearly objectives defined by the Parliament? What would you propose to answer to that challenge, one that will last for awhile?

The question of secularism is always the subject of important debates in France. Secularism is a primordial value so that different religious or philosophical convictions can live together in good intelligence and harmony. It is a synonym of freedom because it allows everyone to live how they want.

How to reinforce the principles of French secularism, in the relationship between the State and the religions of our country? How to guarantee the respect by all of the mutual comprehension and the intangible values of the Republic?

In the coming weeks, I invite you to debate to answer to these deciding questions for the future of our Nation. I also wish for you to be able, beyond these questions I suggested, to mention any other concrete subject you have the impression could better your daily existence.

This debate is a brand-new initiative that want firmly to derive all the conclusions from. It is neither an election, nor a referendum. It is your personal expression, in accordance to your history, opinions, and priorities that is expected here, without distinction of age or social condition. It is, I believe, a big step forward for our Republic than to consult its citizens this way. To guarantee your freedom of speech, I want this consultation to be organised independently, and to be framed by all the guarantees of loyalty and transparency.

It is thus that I intend to transform with you anger into solutions.

Your proposals will enable to build a new contract for the Nation, to structure the action of the Government and the Parliament, but also the positions of France at a European and international level. I will report back to you directly withing the next month following the end of the debate.

Dear Frenchmen, dear Frenchwomen, dear contrymen, I wish for the biggest number of you to attend this debate in order to make use of it for the future of our country.

In trust,

Emmanuel Macron

And now my fingers hurt. So much typing.
 
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Our country has always been able to welcome those who flee wars, persecutions, and who have looked for refuge upon our soil : it is the right to asylum, that cannot be put into question. Our national community has also always been open to those who, born abroad, have chosen France in hopes of a better future : this is how France was built. However, this tradition is now shaken by tensions and doubts linked to immigration and the failure of our integration system.

What would you propose to improve the integration within our Nation? When it comes to immigration, once our obligations to asylum fulfilled, would you like for us to fix yearly objectives defined by the Parliament?
Also, not one mention of the EU that I could find.

Do you think they're going to roll out the old guillotine, or use a more modern method this time?
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-head-French-police.html?ito=social-facebook

Shocking video shows fireman Yellow Vest protestor shot in the back of the head by French police, leaving him with serious brain injuries, as protests against Macron continue
  • Olivier Beziade, a father-of-three, is in a coma after the Bordeaux shooting
  • The incident on Saturday, the 9th week of Yellow Vest anti-government protests
  • Mr Beziade's wife said police shot at them like rabbits as an inquiry is opened
By PETER ALLEN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 07:36 EST, 15 January 2019 | UPDATED: 09:33 EST, 15 January 2019


A fireman who joined France's Yellow Vest protest movement is in a coma after being shot in the head 'like a rabbit' by a police officer using a controversial flash ball gun.

Horrific images show Olivier Beziade, a father-of-three in his 30s, lying on the floor in Bordeaux on Saturday after being hit from behind.

He is wearing one of the high-visibility motoring jackets from which the Yellow Vests get their name.

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Olivier Beziade, a father-of-three in his 30s, was shot in the back of the head in Bordeaux on Saturday

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Mr Beziade, a volunteer fire fighter, had travelled with his wife into Bordeaux on Saturday for the ninth round of Yellow Vest protests when he was shot

Videos posted on social media also show Mr Beziade being treated by medics, with his head covered in blood.

Mr Beziade suffered a 'very serious brain injury' and is currently in an induced coma in hospital, said family members.

It comes as the Yellow Vest law and order crisis enveloping Emmanuel Macron's administration intensifies, and the president floods French streets with an increasing number of armed police.

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Shocking footage shows a bloodied Mr Beziade on the pavement wearing a high-visibility motoring jacket

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Mr Beziade's wife Cindy said he was shot in the head 'like a rabbit' by a police officer using a controversial flash ball gun

Some are being accused of gratuitous violence, ranging from administering baton beatings, to an excessive use of chemical weapons, stun grenades and flash balls.

'I'm furious,' said Cindy Beziade, the wife of Mr Beziade. 'This is unacceptable. I won't let it go. The pictures speak for themselves.'

Mrs Beziade, who is also a volunteer fire fighter, had travelled with her hubsand into Bordeaux on Saturday from their home in nearby Bazas for an 'Act 9' Day of Rage against the government.

'The demonstration was calm until about 4.30pm,' Mrs Beziade told France Info. 'I was with my husband in Rue Sainte-Catherine.

'Then there was a bit of panic. We turned turned back to avoid teargas fumes and to go home. I turned first right, he took the first turning on the left.

It was at this point that a plainclothes officer appeared around a corner, and shot a flash ball at Mr Beziade.

Police are instructed to shoot well below the head, but there have been numerous incidents of them failing to do so.

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Mr Beziade is now in a medically-induced coma and may have sustained lasting brain injuries

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The shooting on Saturday took place near the Apple store in Rue Sainte-Catherine in Bordeaux

As the shot is fired, a uniformed officer can be seen throwing a stun grenade towards Mr Beziade too.

'They shot at us like rabbits,' said Mrs Beziade, who confirmed that her husband was in an induced coma.

The local police prefect has ordered a full investigation, claiming that a gang of Yellow Vests was 'trying to get into an Apple store nearby' at the time of the shooting.

A police commander in Toulon, on France's Mediterranean coast, is also under investigation for repeatedly beating up Yellow Vest protestors during a demonstration.

On Saturday, CRS riot police were seen brandishing live ammunition semi-automatic weapons in front of Yellow Vest demonstrators in Paris for the first time.

Another 'Day 10' of demonstrations is planned for Saturday, with Mr Macron apparently powerless to stop them, as the Yellow Vests call for his resignation
 
Also, not one mention of the EU that I could find.

Do you think they're going to roll out the old guillotine, or use a more modern method this time?

He mentioned politics on a European level quite a lot, including the climate change part, what with him mention that if France undergoes the ecological transition, how should it make sure not to be outmatched by its competitors and all.

And in the paragraph you quoted, the "once our obligations to asylum fulfilled" is probably a reference to the mandatory refugees France has to take under the EU regulations. You know the Syrian asylum seekers or whatever.

So while he hasn't referenced the EU by name, he did talk about the "European level" a few times.
 
I think Macron is going to call up the military to quell this movement with (lethal) force in the next month or two. Using a chopper to shoot tear gas at protestors is a fairly serious escalation, right next to having riot cops armed with live ammo rifles. This just keeps getting more fun to watch. Macron had best hope the army doesn't tell him to fuck off, because oh boy that's when things get real fun.
 
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