📚 Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[LetterlandMafia]

At the end of the day TERFs are man-haters, they start from the position of men are scum. Transwomen are men looking to assert control over women from within, and transmen are gender traitors. Everyone who criticises their position is always a man to them, and if it's a woman they just pretend they don't exist. Hell, half of TERF discussions about troons tends to devolve into how men are shit after a few replies. It's why I try not to engage with the debate too much, because while I don't believe you can just say you're a woman and that's it I sure as hell won't go to bat for the TERFs.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I think a lot of the TERF stuff is broken clock right twice a day stuff. They hate all men, MTF trannies are men, so they hate them. Because the current social trends regarding trans stuff is "Fuck women, you gotta learn to love the ladydick" they are more sympathetic than usual.

On the whole cis thing, who cares if it's valid in latin. We don't speak latin. The only place it's appropriate is medical textbooks and the like, and even then only when trans stuff is being discussed, because otherwise it's obvious from context when someone says man or woman they mean man or woman, not "Man or woman who hasn't had their genitalia rearranged" because duh of course that's what they fucking mean.

I mean, people are called "Men and women". That's wrong. Men is gender neutral, the correct term for a male of the human species is "Wereman", just like a female is a "Woman". Yet, somehow, we've managed to know what people mean for centuries even after dropping the "Were". If someone today were to start talking about "Weremen" the correct response is to call them an idiot, not say "Well actually back 1500 years ago in Brittany that was the correct term for a male, technically it's correct, why does it make you mad if people use the correct term?"

The reason trans activists want to talk about "Cisgendered people" is because then every single time people are mentioned their irrelevant group of mentally ill people gets shoehorned into the conversation. You can't say "cis" without making someone think "trans" and that's the whole point. Just like the whole "Trans woman = man in dress", it's all about making you stop and interrupting the free flow of ideas. You gotta pay the tranny tax to talk about anything, they need that space in your head.

Don't give loud annoying activists the benefit of the doubt. They take advantage of that. They want everything to be awkward and inconvenient, that's the point. I don't say cis, I say "Man" or "Woman" or "normal person". It's implied, just like how I don't refer to most people as "Neurotypical Cis Humans without major emotional problems and who also weren't raped as a child, and they're not missing any limbs, also their spine works"

You state the exceptions to the norm. Cis is the norm, not an exception, and we don't speak latin.

 

[AnOminous]

You state the exceptions to the norm. Cis is the norm, not an exception, and we don't speak latin.

This is what they complain about when they say things like "cisnormative" and "heteronormative" and "cisheteronormative." If you need a seven syllable word to say REEEEEEE because you're not normal, you're not normal.

 

[trannyfucker]

So terf blogs Gender Trender AND Gender Identity Watch (Cathy Brennan) got taken down.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/
https://genderidentitywatch.com/

Cathy says it was for 'deadnaming'

Random tranny FMStomp/aka DJ Gripper aka Shanu Varma is claiming responsibility

https://twitter.com/FMStomp/status/1063507771042263043

 

[one_time_user]

yeah, I would not take any word on the matter besides Gallus's, especially Brennan (who really likes to act like she has more information than she actually does on a semi-regular basis)

 

[trannyfucker]

yeah, I would not take any word on the matter besides Gallus's, especially Brennan (who really likes to act like she has more information than she actually does on a semi-regular basis)

I edited my post, it turns out that Cathy's site was also taken down, except nobody noticed yet lol. But they both went down at the same time, and were both on WordPress, so I think she's right on this occasion.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm amazed they even had such a policy because both those blogs practically existed to deadname and dox.

 

[trannyfucker]

Apparently the change was brought in, unannounced within the last week and they just took down a whole bunch of sites without warning, including Gender Trendier, Gender Identity Watch, Transgender Tropes and Radfem Review.

https://4thwavenow.com/2018/11/17/wordpress-dumps-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

You would think if you were going to change the policies that people signed up to your platform on then you'd let people know in advance, but apparently that doesn't apply.

The new WordPress policy states that names are private information, if and only if, they are trannies' previous names.
https://en.support.wordpress.com/private-information/

The malicious publication of private details related to gender identity, including former names.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

Everyone who criticises their position is always a man to them, and if it's a woman they just pretend they don't exist.

Ah yes, a technique Graham Cracker Linehan has attempted mastering in his own right.

So terf blogs Gender Trender AND Gender Identity Watch (Cathy Brennan) got taken down.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/
https://genderidentitywatch.com/

This is bullshit, wordpress should allow deadnaming, specifically because a lot of gendertrender and GIW posts were information about actual criminals and creeps who are lolcows with threads on here. Even though they were lolcows themselves.

Just let cows moo unless they rape someone like Nick Bates did or killed someone like Lane Davis or that Kekistan Florida Kid.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

Apparently the change was brought in, unannounced within the last week and they just took down a whole bunch of sites without warning, including Gender Trendier, Gender Identity Watch, Transgender Tropes and Radfem Review.

https://4thwavenow.com/2018/11/17/wordpress-dumps-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

You would think if you were going to change the policies that people signed up to your platform on then you'd let people know in advance, but apparently that doesn't apply.

The new WordPress policy states that names are private information, if and only if, they are trannies' previous names.
https://en.support.wordpress.com/private-information/

Why are these big tech companies seemingly unable to learn from the Alex Jones incident? If part of your enemy's position is that they are being silenced by companies that are irrationally falling head over heels to cater to troons and you decide to enact a secret policy to silence them without warning, no one besides troons are going to think you're the good guy in this situation. Deplatforming doesn't make ideas stop existing, it just makes them a little harder to find while giving the people who hold those ideas an even bigger persecution complex.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Why are these big tech companies seemingly unable to learn from the Alex Jones incident? If part of your enemy's position is that they are being silenced by companies that are irrationally falling head over heels to cater to troons and you decide to enact a secret policy to silence them without warning, no one besides troons are going to think you're the good guy in this situation. Deplatforming doesn't make ideas stop existing, it just makes them a little harder to find while giving the people who hold those ideas an even bigger persecution complex.

I think the typical motivation behind censorship and deplatforming is that it weakens a group's ability to politically organize, although you are right in saying that it doesn't work in terms of actually making the ideas go away, and in the end, such tactics almost always prove to be counterproductive. Trying to silence people just pushes their ideas outside the sphere of public scrutiny, where they are able to fester unchallenged, before they eventually resurface with a vengeance.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Apparently the change was brought in, unannounced within the last week and they just took down a whole bunch of sites without warning, including Gender Trendier, Gender Identity Watch, Transgender Tropes and Radfem Review.

https://4thwavenow.com/2018/11/17/wordpress-dumps-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

You would think if you were going to change the policies that people signed up to your platform on then you'd let people know in advance, but apparently that doesn't apply.

The new WordPress policy states that names are private information, if and only if, they are trannies' previous names.
https://en.support.wordpress.com/private-information/

You can tell there's trannies and nobody else at the Wordpress team. Why not ban other forms of maliciously revealed private information? Like

-revealing someone's name that they've changed because they're trying to get away from an abusive spouse or parent
-outing a gay person
-telling everyone that [person x] was raped or assaulted
or even, like
-maliciously revealing that [person x] is an alcoholic or other addict in recovery

All of those could potentially be harmful to the person whose information was revealed. It'd still be censorship, sure, but at least it'd be consistent censorship that wasn't clearly aimed a handful of people.

edit: The people in the 4thwavenow thread are saying if Kiwifarms can stay up, then all these taken-down-Wordpresses can find a place to host them.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

Feminist Current under fire, twitter ban and a mention of revenue streams shut down:

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/11/20/twitter-wants-shut-right-wants-join-dont-think-either/

http://archive.is/ZLnjh

This is the juicy part:

Spoiler: Hmm, left and right are both fucked, there must be another position

Michael Knowles at the Daily Wire says I now must choose to “ally with conservatives, who support free speech and insist that ‘facts don’t care about your feelings,’ or persist with a Left that would annihilate feminism altogether.”
But I don’t think I need to choose either. I choose to think independently and critically. I choose to make strategic and thoughtful decisions about who to ally with. I choose to support free speech and also to reject right wing positions on things like abortion and the free market. I choose to continue to support universal healthcare, social housing, reproductive justice, and a viable welfare system. I choose to continue to oppose exploitative labour practices, privatization, and war. I choose to continue to advocate against male violence against women, sexual exploitation, porn culture, and legislation I consider to be harmful to women and girls. I choose to consider facts and take what I consider to be ethical positions based on those facts, even if those facts and positions don’t fit whatever is considered to be politically correct.
There are people on the right who are bad and who are good, who are smart and who are stupid, who are wrong and who are right, and then there are a million combinations in between. The same can be said of the left. And to pretend things are any more simple than that is, in my opinion, a mistake. While we may not agree on much else, the right and I both agree that transgenderism is nonsense, which may be awkward, but is better than being wrong or dishonest. Speaking of which, I reserve the right to be wrong about all of this, and change my mind accordingly, though I suspect I am not.

.."I choose to consider facts and take what I consider to be ethical positions based on those facts, even if those facts and positions don’t fit whatever is considered to be politically correct."

Welcome to The Farms.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

While we may not agree on much else, the right and I both agree that transgenderism is nonsense, which may be awkward, but is better than being wrong or dishonest.

TERFs should start their own kiwi farms where they laugh at troons

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

TERFs should start their own kiwi farms where they laugh at troons

They already have:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Holy shit someone who writes internet garbage finally realized you don't have to sign on to one side or the other?
Look at this asshole using logic and reason to decide his positions instead of picking teams like a dumb towny.

 

[LetterlandMafia]

Feminist Current under fire, twitter ban and a mention of revenue streams shut down:

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/11/20/twitter-wants-shut-right-wants-join-dont-think-either/

http://archive.is/ZLnjh

This is the juicy part:

Spoiler: Hmm, left and right are both fucked, there must be another position

Michael Knowles at the Daily Wire says I now must choose to “ally with conservatives, who support free speech and insist that ‘facts don’t care about your feelings,’ or persist with a Left that would annihilate feminism altogether.”
But I don’t think I need to choose either. I choose to think independently and critically. I choose to make strategic and thoughtful decisions about who to ally with. I choose to support free speech and also to reject right wing positions on things like abortion and the free market. I choose to continue to support universal healthcare, social housing, reproductive justice, and a viable welfare system. I choose to continue to oppose exploitative labour practices, privatization, and war. I choose to continue to advocate against male violence against women, sexual exploitation, porn culture, and legislation I consider to be harmful to women and girls. I choose to consider facts and take what I consider to be ethical positions based on those facts, even if those facts and positions don’t fit whatever is considered to be politically correct.
There are people on the right who are bad and who are good, who are smart and who are stupid, who are wrong and who are right, and then there are a million combinations in between. The same can be said of the left. And to pretend things are any more simple than that is, in my opinion, a mistake. While we may not agree on much else, the right and I both agree that transgenderism is nonsense, which may be awkward, but is better than being wrong or dishonest. Speaking of which, I reserve the right to be wrong about all of this, and change my mind accordingly, though I suspect I am not.

.."I choose to consider facts and take what I consider to be ethical positions based on those facts, even if those facts and positions don’t fit whatever is considered to be politically correct."

Welcome to The Farms.

The best thing about all this troon/terf fighting is watching the radfems suddenly talk about the importance of free expression and not kowtowing to woke ideas with absolute zero self-awareness. I’m surprised more people haven’t trolled them by pointing out the similarity to MRA manbaby gamergaters.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

The best thing about all this troon/terf fighting is watching the radfems suddenly talk about the importance of free expression and not kowtowing to woke ideas with absolute zero self-awareness. I’m surprised more people haven’t trolled them by pointing out the similarity to MRA manbaby gamergaters.

Only it's not just rad fems. At this point in the timeline, terf= anyone who is not insane.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Well, people have been fairly consistent on free expression through history.

"I should be free to express my obviously correct ideas, and I should be free to not have to hear your stupid ones"

 

[Silence of the Troons]

Meghan Murphy has started a Youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq-04S1vzWPy3G8omi0wVvA (https://archive.is/EP9rF)