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I've got a little more insight on the Jan and Null squabble and the early days of WDG, since people are still asking about it and seemed interested. This will probably be my last 
fftopic:-ish post unless some new wild detail comes out, since we're moving out from under the shadow of the ruins of Deagle Nation and into the part of the story where fried_kooch came into his own as not the cow we deserved.
I've seen the PMs between Jan and Null that @MakeItRain was alluding to. Infact getting them was how I caught a kind of shadowban of sorts here - as I mentioned earlier, I had offered my big bountiful Hard Drive and time to organize and manage files to Jan, since he had admitted he was pretty bad at that sort of thing. I showed him a prototype organization order, he agreed and I was the OFFICINAL ARCHIVERIST GUY. We were told (briefly) that we were going to strike out from Kiwi Farms and do our own thing, but little other details were mentioned. His first request was that I get copies of all of his correspondances with Kiwi Farms, particularly those involving null, and handed me the password to his account. I agreed (and at the time didn't think anything really of the null thing, it made sense those were probably the most important messages over random PMs), and started making copies of his messages on my hard drive.
Well, about 40 minutes into me doing so, Jan posted his password openly in Discord or Skype, whichever, and told everyone to go apeshit nuts on the farms with shitposting. The shitpost fest didn't last long, as to bring things to a halt, Kiwi's administration started to slow bandwidth to any account involved with this upheaval to a crawl - people involved could still access the forums, but at something like 5% of the regular loading speed. Those who didn't stand down from this ate bans. Word got around about everyone who had logged into Jan's account, and their accounts were similarly dealt with.
fftopic:For my part, I never personally participated in the shitposting part (I was trying to do finish up my task and get the PMs archived when the hammer hit and I found out what was going on over the entire site), but I always kinda felt guilty regardless for the small part I was involved with - and plus, I had technically broken forum rules (getting into another account, etc.), so I was involved, no matter how you wanted to spin it. I also fretted for a while about speaking up, since, could I prove I hadn't participated in the shitposting? I couldn't think of a way to do so, unless they could tell what post on the same account came from different IPs or some technical shit. And, as I said, didn't matter; I was involved. So, I accepted my slowdown punishment and left it at that. I could still read the site (without logging in) just fine, and was content until about 5 months ago or whatever when I finally missed joining in on the conversation enough to ask null to lift my slowdown, which he did. Boy it feels good to say that and get it off my chest, it's been over a year that's been bugging me.fftopic:
As for what was in those PMs, here's a brief account:
Effectively Jan posted that he was leaving the farms and striking out on his own, but kinda typed it up like it was in character - he was very forceful, very demanding, and kind of insulting. Null responded pretty amicably and respectfully, wishing him good luck but also telling him the he wished that Jan wouldn't leave the farms and telling him earnestly how much Jan's work as an admin had helped him especially in bridging between the CWCki and the new KIWI forums. Null seemed to pick up something was off. Jan (apparently for no reason, at least at the time) doubled down, calling null something like a carnie freakshow owner who exploits people for ad revenue, and then got way personal on null, basically saying he was okay to do business with but that he was a horrible awful creepy person who should shoot himself or something, also give me the WDG.com domain whats your price. Null kept it pretty polite but was clearly losing patience with the constant stream of insults to his face and effectively said "if this is the way its gonna be than fine, no dice on the URL. Contact me when you're not in character," and Jan went straight ballistic. Null's last comment is something like, a lament that he just wanted his buddy back, which fell onto deaf ears, and things just kind of broke down from there.
My personal opinion, for what little its worth:
At the time I thought everyone was in the wrong - I sympathized with null for the way shit was going down (especially since Deagle Nation had caused so much strife, DDOS attempts on the farms, etc etc, Jan was straight impossible to reason with), but I felt he really should have given up the WDG.com domain just out of courtesy. Jan was trying to become his own thing without the Farms and to protect his creative baby, but was taking things WAY TOO FAR, even excusing the head wound. It was a drama shit show that was really out of character for everyone and I never knew exactly where to lay the blame *cough*, so I just laid it at everyone's feet. I felt it was shit that things went down the way they did, but I personally had nowhere near enough clout with either party to try and patch things up, so I was pretty powerless, and really, it was better that people went their separate ways if this was what shit was gonna be like, although the departure could have been handled way better. Either way it was over and done, and both people were out of each others lives and not causing drama for one another anymore. Kinda like a bad romantic breakup.
Feels good to get that one off my chest too. I let internet drama between people I like get to me too much powerlevel lawl.
I still have those PMs buried in my early WDG archives somewhere, but I don't think I'll be uploading or posting them fully, out of respect of privacy for both parties - if null really wanted them public, he would have posted them himself already by now, and really, we've dredged up enough of the past already.
Hopefully those confused still by the events of the Kiwi Shitstorm Exodus have had their questions answered. And it was kind of cathartic for me to finally speak my opinions in a proper-ish, place and time.
fftopic:-ish post unless some new wild detail comes out, since we're moving out from under the shadow of the ruins of Deagle Nation and into the part of the story where fried_kooch came into his own as not the cow we deserved.I've seen the PMs between Jan and Null that @MakeItRain was alluding to. Infact getting them was how I caught a kind of shadowban of sorts here - as I mentioned earlier, I had offered my big bountiful Hard Drive and time to organize and manage files to Jan, since he had admitted he was pretty bad at that sort of thing. I showed him a prototype organization order, he agreed and I was the OFFICINAL ARCHIVERIST GUY. We were told (briefly) that we were going to strike out from Kiwi Farms and do our own thing, but little other details were mentioned. His first request was that I get copies of all of his correspondances with Kiwi Farms, particularly those involving null, and handed me the password to his account. I agreed (and at the time didn't think anything really of the null thing, it made sense those were probably the most important messages over random PMs), and started making copies of his messages on my hard drive.
Well, about 40 minutes into me doing so, Jan posted his password openly in Discord or Skype, whichever, and told everyone to go apeshit nuts on the farms with shitposting. The shitpost fest didn't last long, as to bring things to a halt, Kiwi's administration started to slow bandwidth to any account involved with this upheaval to a crawl - people involved could still access the forums, but at something like 5% of the regular loading speed. Those who didn't stand down from this ate bans. Word got around about everyone who had logged into Jan's account, and their accounts were similarly dealt with.
fftopic:For my part, I never personally participated in the shitposting part (I was trying to do finish up my task and get the PMs archived when the hammer hit and I found out what was going on over the entire site), but I always kinda felt guilty regardless for the small part I was involved with - and plus, I had technically broken forum rules (getting into another account, etc.), so I was involved, no matter how you wanted to spin it. I also fretted for a while about speaking up, since, could I prove I hadn't participated in the shitposting? I couldn't think of a way to do so, unless they could tell what post on the same account came from different IPs or some technical shit. And, as I said, didn't matter; I was involved. So, I accepted my slowdown punishment and left it at that. I could still read the site (without logging in) just fine, and was content until about 5 months ago or whatever when I finally missed joining in on the conversation enough to ask null to lift my slowdown, which he did. Boy it feels good to say that and get it off my chest, it's been over a year that's been bugging me.fftopic:As for what was in those PMs, here's a brief account:
Effectively Jan posted that he was leaving the farms and striking out on his own, but kinda typed it up like it was in character - he was very forceful, very demanding, and kind of insulting. Null responded pretty amicably and respectfully, wishing him good luck but also telling him the he wished that Jan wouldn't leave the farms and telling him earnestly how much Jan's work as an admin had helped him especially in bridging between the CWCki and the new KIWI forums. Null seemed to pick up something was off. Jan (apparently for no reason, at least at the time) doubled down, calling null something like a carnie freakshow owner who exploits people for ad revenue, and then got way personal on null, basically saying he was okay to do business with but that he was a horrible awful creepy person who should shoot himself or something, also give me the WDG.com domain whats your price. Null kept it pretty polite but was clearly losing patience with the constant stream of insults to his face and effectively said "if this is the way its gonna be than fine, no dice on the URL. Contact me when you're not in character," and Jan went straight ballistic. Null's last comment is something like, a lament that he just wanted his buddy back, which fell onto deaf ears, and things just kind of broke down from there.
My personal opinion, for what little its worth:
At the time I thought everyone was in the wrong - I sympathized with null for the way shit was going down (especially since Deagle Nation had caused so much strife, DDOS attempts on the farms, etc etc, Jan was straight impossible to reason with), but I felt he really should have given up the WDG.com domain just out of courtesy. Jan was trying to become his own thing without the Farms and to protect his creative baby, but was taking things WAY TOO FAR, even excusing the head wound. It was a drama shit show that was really out of character for everyone and I never knew exactly where to lay the blame *cough*, so I just laid it at everyone's feet. I felt it was shit that things went down the way they did, but I personally had nowhere near enough clout with either party to try and patch things up, so I was pretty powerless, and really, it was better that people went their separate ways if this was what shit was gonna be like, although the departure could have been handled way better. Either way it was over and done, and both people were out of each others lives and not causing drama for one another anymore. Kinda like a bad romantic breakup.
Feels good to get that one off my chest too. I let internet drama between people I like get to me too much powerlevel lawl.I still have those PMs buried in my early WDG archives somewhere, but I don't think I'll be uploading or posting them fully, out of respect of privacy for both parties - if null really wanted them public, he would have posted them himself already by now, and really, we've dredged up enough of the past already.
Hopefully those confused still by the events of the Kiwi Shitstorm Exodus have had their questions answered. And it was kind of cathartic for me to finally speak my opinions in a proper-ish, place and time.
That makes a whole fucking lot of sense from what I remember from that time, and puts a new spin on things. I always thought Jan's behavior was weird, but I chalked it up to the head wound. I think at the time I remember him saying something like he couldn't tell what was real or fake involving Jace because of the brain trauma - because of that alone I was always glad he took a break from all this to recover - but I never knew he had little fried_kooch whispering shit into his ear and exacerbating the situation, manipulating a mentally compromised Jan. That's really fucked up in a way that makes me mad on the internet like I shouldn't be on a internet drama forum.
Other little things too that line up with your story make more sense now, like one moment where Rob asked me specifically to be at some meeting or another - At the time he commented something like "You've got a really good, level head on your shoulders, so I want you to be there", which at the time I took as just some nice compliment, but now I wonder if he was trying to surround Jan with people who weren't fried_kooch since he sniffed out early what kind of shitlord kooch was and was trying to do right by WDG.
I feel the same way. I dunno if I'm better as just a fan in the audience or someone involved in a minor capacity or as concierge to Don AutismJokes (something I never was), but I've always just wanted Jan to be happy and able to make funny jokes on the internet that made him happy and others happy and everyone be happy, and to help him in that goal in any way I can.
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) but stayed for Jace
is actually better, but there was a lot of good that happened during Deagle Nation. Kiwi Farms had a fundraiser for some autism charity, and the award if you donated was the ability to give Semper Fi ratings, and it did really well from what I remember. During a Christmas stream the community donated enough money for an internet weirdo to give another internet weirdo an Xbox and nobody was hazed or doxed for giving internet weirdos money for frivolous things the way shit goes with Chris or DSP or whoever now. There wasn't anything quite like DN that brought the entire website together as a community, and honestly I don't think there ever will be again. We've grown too large and the community's grown too different (for better or for worse, I'll let you decide). When was the last time we had a real charity drive? We're too worried in the current state of the internet about just keeping the doors open around here.
