Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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Ghostse said:
Yeah that's fair. I saw also the aid convoy to some villages still held by Christians. I guess I was under the impression everything south of the river was Mohammedon territory.
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Hezbollah loves keeping those couple dhimmi towns like Rmeish around, makes for great propaganda fodder when they need to convince groypers & zoomers out west that they are totally the Christians' best buds and far better than the kikes or the actual Lebanese Christians who aren't dhimmis (but do tend to be Israeli allies vs. the Axis of Resistance, thus, clearly Judeo-Christian puppets). Nevermind that in practice they regularly seize Maronite lands, harass the Maronite Patriarch for criticizing them, assassinate Christians who get too uppity and refuse to be their dhimmis, etc.

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teriyakiburns said:
If you mean the taiping rebellion, it wasn't christian. Its leader was a failed civil servant, who had a breakdown after failing his third attempt to pass the civil service exam, proclaimed himself the literal brother of Jesus, and intended to become the new emperor of China
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It's definitely pretty funny to think of Taipingism as some vaguely Christianish heresy warped by Chinese autism the same way Mormonism is, but warped by American autism.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
If you say so. Also, siege dynamics typically favor the defenders. The defender doesn't have to kill the enemy commander or utterly destroy the invasion force-just wait until they give up.
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The success of a siege is entirely dependent on the situation at the time. It's not an inherent advantage to either side, especially if the besieged is already dealing with significant internal strife and has little material support to break it.

While you're correct that Iran can "win" by outlasting American political will, even their own bankers have admitted that their economy will take ten years to recover. Even now, all the money they've collected from the toll jizya isn't reaching where it's needed, because as another poster here pointed out, that money's being skimmed down to nothing before it even reaches the government. Their water situation is uber-fucked. All the money they do get goes to fluffing up the IRGC instead of fixing the economy. Ukraine is now doing mutual support deals with the GCC countries they attacked.

So even if they "win," they're absolutely uber-fucked regardless. Pezeshkian seems to be the only official with any kind of name recognition who realizes how bad the situation is, and is damn near a nervous breakdown trying to keep his government from going down with the paramilitary Madhist assholes that have been suppressing the locals for decades.
 
Kalergi said:
The success of a siege is entirely dependent on the situation at the time. It's not an inherent advantage to either side, especially if the besieged is already dealing with significant internal strife and has little material support to break it.

While you're correct that Iran can "win" by outlasting American political will, even their own bankers have admitted that their economy will take ten years to recover. Even now, all the money they've collected from the toll jizya isn't reaching where it's needed, because as another poster here pointed out, that money's being skimmed down to nothing before it even reaches the government. Their water situation is uber-fucked. All the money they do get goes to fluffing up the IRGC instead of fixing the economy. Ukraine is now doing mutual support deals with the GCC countries they attacked.

So even if they "win," they're absolutely uber-fucked regardless. Pezeshkian seems to be the only official with any kind of name recognition who realizes how bad the situation is, and is damn near a nervous breakdown trying to keep his government from going down with the paramilitary Madhist assholes that have been suppressing the locals for decades.
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In additon to your points something you only touched on:
THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER AND ITS NOT EVEN SUMMER YET

You can't resist a seige when your wells are dry. Even if Trump gets bored and fucks off they will have a time holding on till september.


Gurney Halleck said:
The main reason why Vietnam ended up being a defeat was because the US got involved to defend South Vietnam and burned all of their political capital doing so while not being able to do enough damage to the North to stop them from invading the South immediately afterwards. The same dynamic does not exist with Iran, it's ironically more likely that the opposite happens with Iran not being able to stop Israel from rooting out their Hezbollah client state than Israel falling once the US leaves.
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No, the main reason the US lost Vietnam was both LBJ and Nixon were too big of pussies to invade the North. and push the DMZ's northern frontier to the center of Hanoi. And they refused to blockade the North, not understanding the Sino-Soviet rift.
The north wsa bombed but was never territorially threatened. They could hit anywhere in the South but the South couldn't hit back.


ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
Hahahaha
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Fucking hell. There's that Trump 45 energy.

"Married again. Quite quickly too"
"He lost his wife and two elections"

THAT's what I voted for.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
If you say so. Also, siege dynamics typically favor the defenders. The defender doesn't have to kill the enemy commander or utterly destroy the invasion force-just wait until they give up.
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Disagree, especially with the given situation they find themselves in today. Siege dynamics only favor the defender when the surrounding forces can't sit there indefinitely, and without any other major crisis to distract us cutting them off from any form of reasonably attaining supply is doable.
 
LowlyPheasent said:
Disagree, especially with the given situation they find themselves in today. Siege dynamics only favor the defender when the surrounding forces can't sit there indefinitely, and without any other major crisis to distract us cutting them off from any form of reasonably attaining supply is doable.
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If Iran was more economically healthy and self-sufficient, a blockade would be a far more risky move for the US in that situation. We'll see what happens when the ceasefire ends, after both sides have had time to get their stockpiles built up and equipment repaired. I suspect we'll probably see a couple of days of missile/drone strikes from Iran that rival the first couple days of the war, before we started suppressing their launch capabilities again. The Israel/Hezbollah thing is a wild card because now that can be used as an excuse to extend the ceasefire a bit longer, which also gives the US more time to conduct the blockade without worrying about engaging anti-air defenses. Every day that thing goes on benefits the US more than Iran.
 
Ghostse said:
No, the main reason the US lost Vietnam was both LBJ and Nixon were too big of pussies to invade the North. and push the DMZ's northern frontier to the center of Hanoi. And they refused to blockade the North, not understanding the Sino-Soviet rift.
The north wsa bombed but was never territorially threatened. They could hit anywhere in the South but the South couldn't hit back.
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That's what I was referring to by condensing it to 'not being able to do enough damage to the North to stop them from invading the South immediately afterwards'. Whatever one might think of the morality behind it the North was technically the aggressor and had the initiative the entire war, and the US just spent a lot of blood and treasure to eventually get rid of one problem (the Viet Cong insurgency in the South) while not being able to do anything lasting to the second (the actual North Vietnamese Army in Cambodia and the North).
 
Kalergi said:
If Iran was more economically healthy and self-sufficient, a blockade would be a far more risky move for the US in that situation. We'll see what happens when the ceasefire ends, after both sides have had time to get their stockpiles built up and equipment repaired. I suspect we'll probably see a couple of days of missile/drone strikes from Iran that rival the first couple days of the war, before we started suppressing their launch capabilities again. The Israel/Hezbollah thing is a wild card because now that can be used as an excuse to extend the ceasefire a bit longer, which also gives the US more time to conduct the blockade without worrying about engaging anti-air defenses. Every day that thing goes on benefits the US more than Iran.
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If Iran was economically healthy and self sufficient, they wouldn't have had mass protests and we wouldn't have started bombing them.
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Iran is now so broke, MES is sponsorbegging.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
Not to pry, but what level of melanin are we talking about with this group of individuals
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All white dudes. Aside from the last point, they were all lines that I've come to expect from even moderate Dems against the war. On the "dying for Israel" bit in particular, I hear from the commentariat all the time about Rubio's half-quote from that early press Q&A, the "proof" that "Israel dragged us into this war".

ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
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“Hire him for the White House. Give him a job, make him feel good, he lost his wife and two Elections.”
lol
 
Myrtle the Turtle said:
I was at an event with a bunch of zoomers and all of them thought Israel was controlling Trump to varying degrees. One kid even thought Iran was off the coast of Africa. Most didn't think boots on the ground was going to happen but did think Iran will repair and rebuild long enough for it to drag out in the summer to hurt us on gas prices. The average American is blissfully unaware of anything outside our borders and it hurts to see. All of them knew who was in the UFC fight however and were huddled around the sports book. I dropped the word 'procurement' and all of them were lost and had no idea of reload times, manufacturing capabilities, aerial defenses, nothing.

Iran is apparently winning because Russia gave them launchers and air defense and China is going to give Iran jets. To be fair, the back and fourth between tweets about ceasefire made my head spin, but at least I have good bearings on capabilities, mission objectives, and be able to point out cities on a map like Shiraz, Bushuer and Tabiz.
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As a zoomie in college rn, I just don't even attempt to discuss this shit with anyone besides friends and family I know won't be totally retarded about it. Its just a waste of time and energy. I know I won't be getting anything remotely resembling a semi-intelligible response from a colleague with greasy broccoli hair, a gay porno stache that should've died in the 70s, and a pair of jeans bought pre-ripped for twice the price. What @Jose Beaner Luna said about zoomies getting all their information from tiktok is spot on. Actual chink chattel nigger cattle.

Btw, the last person I met irl who talked about AIPAC in a negative light was an obese lispy homo- and soon after espousing rather queerily his disapproval of some politician who took Jew money, he proceeded to promote the local communist party :story:
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
If you say so. Also, siege dynamics typically favor the defenders. The defender doesn't have to kill the enemy commander or utterly destroy the invasion force-just wait until they give up.
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"Siege dynamics typically favor the defenders" is only true when the besieger is forced to do a full assault, usually when pressed for time. This was true in pre-modern armies due to logistical constraints only able to bring so many men into a campaign and wanting to capture the economic center (castle or city) before the enemy managed to rally his own army and lift the siege. This was a special constraint for the Middle Ages due to most of the forces being farmer levies that needed to return home for the harvesting season. But since the invention of modern logistics and the reintroduction of professional armies, an army can stay on the field indefinitely and force the besieged into a surrender due to starvation.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
If you say so. Also, siege dynamics typically favor the defenders. The defender doesn't have to kill the enemy commander or utterly destroy the invasion force-just wait until they give up.
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With 4D thinking like this, I think you have what it takes to be an IRGC strategist. I'm sure there's a couple openings available, but you might be waiting to collect a paycheck for a bit. And, you know, to eat food or drink water. But who cares about little details like that, right?
 
Sieging a single fortified position with specific stockpiles created to resist sieges is a little different from seiging an entire country that was already on the verge of collapsing due to resource shortages and mass unrest
 
Crocodylus Acutus said:
Btw, the last person I met irl who talked about AIPAC in a negative light was an obese lispy homo- and soon after espousing rather queerily his disapproval of some politician who took Jew money, he proceeded to promote the local communist party
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What's his username here?
 
ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
Glad Trump is explicitly calling out Hezbollah, distinct from Lebanon, but he's gotta be eating rainbows if he expects them to hold to any sort of peace.
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The Lebanese flag... It's a great flag! Strong... Very strong. A strong tree for a strong country. Lebanon, great place. Hezbollah. Yellow and green. Gay flag... It's a very gay flag. Some people say it's the gayest most retarded flag around. I wouldn't say that, but A LOT of people I know are. What's the black power fist? Holding a... It's holding a rifle. You're not hitting an F35 with that. *Mocks retards attempting then getting bombed* Hezbollah. Very retarded. Very gay... especially the flag. They have to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
 
Harambe said:
Iran is besieged and blockaded with no food imports and a collapsed economy and a fast approaching water crisis
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The guidelines put forth by centcom at the start of the blockade stated that humanitarian shipments for things like food and medicine would be allowed to pass dependent on inspection of the shipments by the US.

So folks thinking we're full on in seige warfare with Iran might want to step back from thinking we're going to deny them food and water.
 
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