US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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they keep the ability to make a bomb because they do not want one but also don't want to lose all deterrence. russia has already
Are you equating Russia having a nuclear weapon stationed somewhere... With them knowing how to BUILD nuclear bombs? Oh, dude... You are out of your depth. Way out.

russia offered them defense pacts. and on agreements they had a deal with oversight that trump unilaterally broke. and they had the uranium so that they could maintain ambiguity as deterrence without actually needing to make a nuke.
Dude these people are fucked. They do not understand the difference between having another country's nuke and being a nuclear-armed nation on your own.

Imagine being so deluded that you think your country having to rely on another country for defense is the same as being able to defend yourself. Dude, seriously, I say this with a kind intent; you do not know what you think you know about this subject.
 
The US and Russia have been placing nukes in other countries since we've had them. The Cuban missile crisis being the result of us placing nukes in Turkey, etc. It is very likely this ends with another country placing their nukes in Iran as a guarantee for them.
Id still say its a moonshot and the conditions are highly improbably for such an event. The Cuban and Turkey missiles were placed there by larger countries, the US and USSR, they never gave Cuba or Turkey a nuclear weapons program and neither one benefitted much regarding their economies. Castro didn't even want the missiles.

The nuclear calculus has shifted far since the 1960s and thats not even touching on modern conventional and economic warfare.
Russia? They would guarantee more economic sanctions and risk escalating the Ukraine conflict. Russia has its own gas anyway and is benefitting from the chaos around Kharg Island, why stick your neck out for the Ayatollahs? Iran is headed for default and can't even defend their airspace. Bad idea.

China? Xi overestimated the resilience of the Asian market against Trumps trade war. He also needs to gain favor with the US for the Taiwan plans. Why fuck it up by defending Iran? China would not loose precious izzat by saying the need Iranian oil so bad that they are going to sweep it up for them, with nukes.

Only the UK or France could be retarded enough to give Iran a nuclear defense pack to end the conflict but they would get fucked by the US. It would be the end of NATO.

North Korea or Pakistan would be the only real contenders but Pakistan would get aid and trade shut off with heavy sanctions. Modi would get the US's blessing to redeem the Pakis, spelling doom for their ruling political class. Theres heavy speculation on just how functional Pakistans nuclear arsenal even is. Kim Jong Un could do it but North Korea is in no way prepared to face the wrath of Mossad. The NK economy is hurting for cash now, but Iran is a broke bitch who won't pay you back. Why bother with a defense pact?
 
I’m not entirely sure if actual leftists, in real life, would forgive a maga. To them, the choice was clear 10 years ago. So it’s too late to say sorry.

I guess our website’s base is much more gracious.
Zealots love taking in converts from the other side, especially the vocal ones that continue to self flagellate for their sins and join in the hatred of [other team]. They don't properly forgive them most of the time, but they won't say no to a good foot soldier. That's why we've got retards like Candace Owens on the right and are now regretting it as she flip
 
Yes, indeed. Especially something I'd comment on is your point in the drop-down. Iran is a broke bitch nation. Who is gonna GAIN or BENEFIT from helping them? This is an embarrassment, and I'd they lose after more help, it reflects badly on those nations.

This is the issue making deals like that with untrustworthy countries. The US will openly write in its immunities to all forms of punishment into every treaty, but the chinks and ruskies will just assume you won't fuck with them and know they'll withdraw all support. Better the devil that puts his flaws on paper and lets you pick, imo.

Really though the idea that Iran could even have nuclear weapons moved in is laughable, because the US and Israel jointly control the airspace.
 
EVERYTHING ISN’T FIXED IMMEDIATELY?!?

Quick, everyone vote for the “infinity niggers forever” party! That’ll show ‘em!
he didnt say that and in fact his critique was on the long term, trump does need to lock it in legislatively especially since he poised to lose congress in the midterms largely due to his warmongering.
they also focus on green cards for this metric and it doesnt include plans for new visas to supplement farm work.
Are you equating Russia having a nuclear weapon stationed somewhere... With them knowing how to BUILD nuclear bombs? Oh, dude... You are out of your depth. Way out.
no i am not saying being able to obtain a bomb automatically means you can build one. i did not use the russian pact as proof they could build bombs only that they could obtain the threat of nuclear weapons via a defensive pact with russia. they also separately have the capability to build nuclear weapons as seen by them having the technological capabilities to enter a standstill with two nuclear powers, bomb our bases in the region, and to depelete israeli defenses to the point we had to cannibalize defensive munitions in the asian theatre.
Imagine being so deluded that you think your country having to rely on another country for defense is the same as being able to defend yourself. Dude, seriously, I say this with a kind intent; you do not know what you think you know about this subject.
this is the entire basis of nato and was a large enough sticking point to be in the list of reasons russia was provoked to a brutal war.
 
russia offered them defense pacts. and on agreements they had a deal with oversight that trump unilaterally broke. and they had the uranium so that they could maintain ambiguity as deterrence without actually needing to make a nuke.
"They were just pretending to develop nuclear weapons"

There isn't a trashcan rating big enough to react to that statement. So here's a trash barge:
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So, yeah I'm going to need you to post hands. And hands alone are no longer sufficient, they need to be holding bacon. Not on a burger with bread as a buffer, raw bacon held by bare hands.
 
no i am not saying being able to obtain a bomb automatically means you can build one.
You don't speak English as a first language.

I said that you equivocated them. I didn't say you said that. Those two things are in no way equivalent other than that a nuclear missile exists. Russia would have to BUILD an ICBM platform to allow Iran US striking capability, and Iran turning down nuclear capability that they would publicly be listing to have private, secret nuclear development instead is absolutely how countries hiding nuclear development would act. You don't want the IAEA poking around knowing you have a weapon and looking for potential weapon readings.

Iran has already been very uncooperative with IAEA assessments, for no reason other than "Come on guys can't you trust us, the people whose religion tells them to lie to further the religion?"
 
he didnt say that and in fact his critique was on the long term, trump does need to lock it in legislatively especially since he poised to lose congress in the midterms largely due to his warmongering.
That's Congress's job, and congress is useless unless you have a large majority. (We don't). The entire legislative branch needs an overhaul at this point. Though establishing term limits would probably solve a lot on its own.
 
Trump's defamation lawsuit against Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal etc. re: that article about the stupid Epstein letter allegedly signed by Trump has been dismissed without prejudice, but he's allowed to file an amended complaint within the next couple of weeks.
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I haven't kept up with the details of all the stupid in the case due to real life getting in the way so I don't have commentary of my own to add at the moment, but here's a link to the docket on CourtListener.

Trump requests more time for his Amended Complaint to find Actual Malice etc. in his lawsuit against Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal for that stupid article about that stupid letter he supposedly signed.
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"They were just pretending to develop nuclear weapons"
no they were holding stockpiles of uranium to maintain deterrence without having to make a nuclear bomb. while also lying about it to maintain ambiguity similar to how israel does with completed nukes. they have already refused offers of nuclear alliances and nuclear weapons so they could have obtained these things without our say already.
Maybe the same one who the Jews say is burning in shit in hell for all eternity? They swear up and down it's not THE Jesus tho, pinkie swear!
idk why we have to debate which tribe is "superior" if a pitbull and another violent breed are fighting why must a man suffer hearing which is less violent as he is urged to interrupt? when instead we can just simply not interrupt, for the dog we side with and the one we side against will both surely bite us.
I said that you equivocated them. I didn't say you said that. Those two things are in no way equivalent other than that a nuclear missile exists. Russia would have to BUILD an ICBM platform to allow Iran US striking capability, and Iran turning down nuclear capability that they would publicly be listing to have private, secret nuclear development instead is absolutely how countries hiding nuclear development would act. You don't want the IAEA poking around knowing you have a weapon and looking for potential weapon readings.
no they dont they just need russia to say "if you kikes touch iran we fuck dc and tel aviv harder than you fuck kids". and then america and israel don't touch iran.
Iran has already been very uncooperative with IAEA assessments, for no reason other than "Come on guys can't you trust us, the people whose religion tells them to lie to further the religion?"
they were uncooperative because trump tore up the agreement so he could warmonger for israel and create pretense for this invasion, as now iran was expected to comply while also effectively having to tank all the punishments originally threatened to make them comply.
That's Congress's job, and congress is useless unless you have a large majority. (We don't). The entire legislative branch needs an overhaul at this point. Though establishing term limits would probably solve a lot on its own.
he could have used his political capital to continually keep the pressure up for things like the save act instead of shifting to a needless zog war. also he could have fought to gain a larger majority rather than throwing away control entirely for this war.
 
You don't speak English as a first language.
Can we have some sort of Constitutional Convention in the thread were we vote that any ESL posters are thread banned?

I'm sick and tired of foreigners thinking they can express their opinions on my country like they matter. They can have a Outsider US Politics General thread to be brown in.

Who am I kidding, they'll just go back to their own ban happy hug box, TES
 
Iran is easily able to obtain nuclear weapons or nuclear defense pacts from its allies. they did not because of religious reasons.
Bull-fucking-shit

The only reason I could see Iran not wanting a nuclear weapon even though they could have one is because Israel has hundreds. That's the only reason. That they don't want any because of 'religious reasons' is the most steaming pile of horseshit I've ever heard
 
Nick unironically makes a good point for once in one of his most viral tweets.
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Trump has no support base left outside of boomers and Israel. The right's morale has shattered beyond recovery. Democrats pretty much have the next hundred or so elections locked down.
Wishcasting itt.
Iran is easily able to obtain nuclear weapons or nuclear defense pacts from its allies. they did not because of religious reasons.

i think trump having ranted and raved furiously about killing millions of civilians with final warning after final warning and now blockading a blockade in a bid to force other nations into this war is a pretty good indication that we do not have enough oil for the entire world, also the fact that we weren't just supplying the world beforehand, and the fact we do not have the infrastructure allocated to supply billions of people with oil long term.
This is Islamic lying to advance Islam.
 
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