💬 Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[FK009]

What's infuriating about the whole thing is that I don't think you even have to be religious in order to see what is wrong with those things

Controversial take: You absolutely do, at least on a societal level. See, no matter how we slice it, the society we live in has roots in christianity it allows non-religious people to apply this logic and take a moral stance, but the growing godless zeitgeist spreading removes that in favor of a niceness. To slightly power level, and this is mostly anecdotal evidence: Half my family is atheist, and the other is christian, there is an extreme difference between the two.

The atheists side want to be nice to everyone. They think you can do whatever whenever because who are you to stop someone from having a good time or doing what they want? If it doesn’t spark joy, why do it? This side of the family has so many skeletons in the closet, it’s a fucking tomb. It is mind boggling to them that despite us not having the same morals, I still take the time to see them at least twice a year. This is because I am christian, family means something to me whether I like them or not, because I will always love them.

My christian family actually has the moral strength to stand against this shit, but this is because they want to be good.

These two groups see the horrors this ideology (Trans), can do. One closes their eyes and shuts their ears, because so what if a few eggs break? There are many omelets to be enjoyed by others. The other would ban it if they could, and call it out for the horror that it is. (I have two cousins entering college on the atheist side, I am terrified someone will sucker either of them into pooning out, and their parents will let them/encourage them to do so.)

Lets just ask ourselves this: If the majority of people in today’s society were truly christian, the hippy/commie movements died before they could gain a foothold, and very little people bought into moral relativism, would this trans shit be a thing? Fuck, would we have the LGBTQ community opening the gates for them?

 

[ScurvyRat]

The Christian larping genuinely does nothing to address the problem.

My cousin who trooned out came from the most religious part of my family. Church every Sunday. I'd have to go with them if I was staying with them.
Now one of their sons is a raging homosexual who posts online about having gay sex and the other is a straight up tranny.

Christianity did nothing to help them. The "Christians" who surround them shower them in "love and support" by helping him pay to get trans surgeries.

This isn't about religion.

 

[Colress]

The Christian larping genuinely does nothing to address the problem.

My cousin who trooned out came from the most religious part of my family. Church every Sunday. I'd have to go with them if I was staying with them.
Now one of their sons is a raging homosexual who posts online about having gay sex and the other is a straight up tranny.

Christianity did nothing to help them. The "Christians" who surround them shower them in "love and support" by helping him pay to get trans surgeries.

This isn't about religion.

It might be that they'd rather have a troon daughter than a gay son, but they also do have a gay son, so what the fucks going on over there?

You don't have to be of the Catholic or Christian faith to agree with many of it's basic tenets. The ten commandments are genuinely just good things to live by altogether, with the exceptions of the part related to a singular God if that's not your thing.

If there's one thing people with any sense at all can agree with, regardless of faith or sect, it is Troon Bad.

 

[ScurvyRat]

It might be that they'd rather have a troon daughter than a gay son, but they also do have a gay son, so what the fucks going on over there?

Jesus told them to love and accept them for "who they are"

You don't have to be of the Catholic or Christian faith to agree with many of it's basic tenets.

The problem is that the religion has strayed so far from its foundation, its now seen as virtuous to accept faggots and trannies into the flock.
The sheer amount of Christian larping, especially on a site like this, is truly mind boggling to me when I'm surrounded by Churches that greet these degenerates with open arms.

If there's one thing people with any sense at all can agree with, regardless of faith or sect, it is Troon Bad.

If only.

 

[Colress]

Jesus told them to love and accept them for "who they are"

Never been to church, never even considered becoming a member of the faith for an instant (just don't wanna), but the way that troons and poons and faggots of all creeds have co-opted western faiths for their own use and special brownie points sucks and is repulsive.

I have seen adherant gays that deny their own sin for the sake of keeping faithful too, which is one thing, but out-and-out encouraging faggotry like plastering the ugly ass progress flag on heraldry and everything.

Your Churches and places of worship deserve sanctity too, not just backwards ass fuck-you faiths like Hinduism (should be wiped off the map) or Islam (should also Go Away.)

Jesus might spread love, sure, but I'm pretty sure there are rules to his flock.

Then again, maybe I don't know anything. Fuck it.

 

[Sissyagamben]

My christian family actually has the moral strength to stand against this shit, but this is because they want to be good

You’re very lucky brother, and I have definitely met and hold very dear to my heart many good people from church.

But being Christian can never be a prescriptive solution on a societal level though. I’ve met too many bad apples who go to church every week, get buddy buddy with everyone and whatnot, and when they start sending explicit messages (or worse) to 20 sth girls from church, most of the time they only get a stern talking to, if anything at all. Forgiveness and whatnot. And of course, as a consequence, the victim has to be the one to find a new place to go. Im sure some men from the congregation, if they knew, would have been very indignant, but it pains me to say the ones in charge seem to always protect the offenders. Ive also heard of people getting actually kicked out, but they had all became physically aggressive. The sexual depravities inside the church can be very under the current, doesn’t mean it’s not there. The churches that condemn faggotry usually care a lot less about sexual assaults to women/girls/boys within their congregation. Beats getting castrated I guess.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Christianity did nothing to help them. The "Christians" who surround them shower them in "love and support" by helping him pay to get trans surgeries.

You don't have to be of the Catholic or Christian faith to agree with many of it's basic tenets. The ten commandments are genuinely just good things to live by altogether, with the exceptions of the part related to a singular God if that's not your thing.

If there's one thing people with any sense at all can agree with, regardless of faith or sect, it is Troon Bad.

Jesus told them to love and accept them for "who they are"

The problem is that the religion has strayed so far from its foundation, its now seen as virtuous to accept faggots and trannies into the flock.
The sheer amount of Christian larping, especially on a site like this, is truly mind boggling to me when I'm surrounded by Churches that greet these degenerates with open arms.

If only.

Jesus might spread love, sure, but I'm pretty sure there are rules to his flock.

I'm actually glad that people are bringing this up. I've also seen firsthand:

Religious people who are too cowardly to stand up for what is right and either enable degeneracy or celebrate it, as so aptly described in the last verses of the first chapter of Romans.

Batshit, paranoid fundamentalists with undiagnosed BPD or NPD who actively look for excuses to be pissed off with everyone and everything and to exercise unrighteous dominion over their wives or children. And thus drive them away into the arms of the LGBTQ cult or the woke left.

Religious LARPing is retarded, the best you can do is actually, quietly and humbly, obey the commandments that your religion puts forth. Which means that no, you are not allowed to enable degenerates, and no, you are not helping by LARPing as being so trad and religious on the internet, and you are especially not helping by giving money to conspicuously wealthy pastors and grifters.

It's like I've said earlier: religion may be important to maintain a good society, but what's just as important is being a well adjusted, rational adult. All the religion in the world isn't going to help you if you act like an overly emotional teenager despite being a grown adult.

 

[ScurvyRat]

I’ve met too many bad apples who go to church every week, get buddy buddy with everyone and whatnot, and when they start sending explicit messages (or worse) to 20 sth girls from church, most of the time they only get a stern talking to, if anything at all.

Because the Christian larpers on the internet are telling all these young me to meet women at church, with little to no regard with how that plays out IRL

It's no wonder that so few young women go to church anymore with this in mind.

 

[Toxic BRAAAAP Mask]

Chiming in as a gay churchgoer in an area that has a decent amount of fundamentalism. First, I'd quit going to a church if they adopted anything other than Christian iconography or traditional values. There is no need nor room for progressive flaggotry in church, and if you need it to infest everywhere you inhabit 24/7 that says it's more a priority than Christ and your fellow congregates. The point is worship and the betterment of self and communiity, not false virtue. Second, I'll echo the statements that a light touch is needed in religion. I've experienced the oppression strict fundamentalism wields and it never ends well, especially when hypocrisy is on display sowing resentment in the flock.

Outside of the inherent problems, I can't count the times I've seen children driven to extreme liberal progressivism (and now occasional troonery) as an oppositional replacement. It's textbook behavior for homosexuals down here to move away and go full-libtard atheist if they don't opt to marry and secretly cheat on their wives for decades instead. Rarely is there a middle or healthier dynamic to religion chosen. Families being splintered instead of being brought together, secrets and deviancy (downlow crossdressing is far too common here), suicide, sometimes even straight up psychosis with it contributing to more than one murder here.

Unfortunaly troonism seems to be the event horizon of all these things together. A substitute cult belief system, self-mutilation, psychosis, suicide, deviancy... It's all of this in one nasty HRT-laced package and much of it could be avoided with firm guidance and real compassion instead of the too-common poles of stifling oppression or absolute permission.

 

[Gaystapo]

I have created a general theology discussion thread for the academic anthropological discussion of religious texts/traditions and how they affect culture.
This thread started discussing Christianity and its role in society, so I felt some of you may find this new thread interesting.

 

[Adolf Kitler]

The Christian larping genuinely does nothing to address the problem.

My cousin who trooned out came from the most religious part of my family. Church every Sunday. I'd have to go with them if I was staying with them.
Now one of their sons is a raging homosexual who posts online about having gay sex and the other is a straight up tranny.

Christianity did nothing to help them. The "Christians" who surround them shower them in "love and support" by helping him pay to get trans surgeries.

This isn't about religion.

The autistic pooner on my class who was obsessed with dream SMP used to be in a Catholic school before coming to my HS.

 

[Morridowfag]

It finally happened to me so I figured I'll finally make an account here.

I lost two friends that I have known for well over a decade after one of them decided to troon out. Said that gender dysphoria was hitting him hard (where the fuck did that come from?) and he was tired of having to constantly display hypermasculinity (again, outta nowhere) so he proclaimed himself genderless. I told him to seek mental help and that I don't tolerate troons, period, not the most diplomatic approach but those fuckers have worn down my tolerance. I tried to part with some banter in telling him not to groom anyone, not diplomatic but if I can't make that kind of joke around you then why the fuck would I want to be around you? Guy went nuclear and went on a tirade about (((them))) and brought up the Epstein files before talking about stuff I'd rather not repeat here for power level reasons before burning that bridge. I have no idea where it came from, he was always relatively normal, overly fond of ebonics and a bit obnoxious at times but still a great friend to have and coming off much better off than me at times only to have this drop out the blue.

Second was a mutual friend of ours and closer to him than me and I saw it coming a goddamn mile off. Asked me for my side, I didn't sugarcoat it and told him I think our friend is mentally ill and needs help ASAP, and that due to many reasons I despise the trans community. He told me I didn't have to make his decision that easy and that was it. A decade of friendship, being his wingman in video games for countless hours, reaching perfect sync in Starcraft 2 co-op (one of my highest points of pride) and sticking up for him after he burned bridges with other friends all just flushed down the drain because I refused to indulge in someone's mental illness. I still see him as a friend and pray to God he won't end up being turned into an egg, guy was never the most mentally well off but I am worried for him now.

I just want to know, why the fuck does this feel like it reads off a script? I know that stereotypes exist for a damn good reason but this all feels so surreal, like I am living through a greentext story. I still hope for the best for both of them but nigga what the fuck?

 

[Gaystapo]

(where the fuck did that come from?)

Primarily a mix of loneliness and porn addiction. Made worse when they start joining trooncult circles which brainwash them further.

he was tired of having to constantly display hypermasculinity (again, outta nowhere) so he proclaimed himself genderless.

This translates to "I feel like a failmale loser". It's not really about masculinity at all, since most MTFs still act and dress masculine, but claim to be a "trans butch lesbian". He is a depressed mentally ill person who feels like he isn't living up to his potential as a man. Instead of working on himself and becoming stronger, he will celebrate his failures and weaknesses as a troon leftist instead, blaming everyone else for his shortcomings.

if I can't make that kind of joke around you then why the fuck would I want to be around you?

This is the worst part about a troonout. Anyone normal cannot stand to walk on eggshells around them, which pushes them further into exclusively trooncult circles. Troonouts brainwash them into all becoming Soviet gaystapos that get triggered when you say anything which goes against their approved Reddit talking points.

Guy went nuclear and went on a tirade about (((them))) and brought up the Epstein files

Epstein funded troons. There's an Epstein email where he asks "if a 3-year-old is showing signs of being trans". Child predators are pro-troon. Not sure what retarded point he was trying to make.

Second was a mutual friend of ours and closer to him than me and I saw it coming a goddamn mile off.

This was probably the one who brainwashed the first friend into it. Probably started talking about how the first friend was "such an obvious egg".

He told me I didn't have to make his decision that easy and that was it.

Trannies alienate everyone around them: long term friends, family members, spouses, and even their own kids. Their ideology tells them that anyone who doesn't enable their self-harm "is not being supportive enough of them".

I just want to know, why the fuck does this feel like it reads off a script? I know that stereotypes exist for a damn good reason but this all feels so surreal, like I am living through a greentext story. I still hope for the best for both of them but nigga what the fuck?

Because it's brainwashing. And the media promotes said brainwashing. The brainwashing is so effective that it's even able to affect rich nepobabies who never have to work, like Elon Musk's troon kid, "Vivian".

 

[Morridowfag]

I suppose it fits well enough. You're just not prepared to see it happen firsthand and it fucking gets to you more than you'd ever expect it to. Thanks.

This was probably the one who brainwashed the first friend into it. Probably started talking about how the first friend was "such an obvious egg".

I genuinely hope that you're wrong here. I have known the guy for a long time and he just ain't the type to do so. Dude's too autistic and emotional, burns bridges too easily but I've read too much about cults to dismiss that possibility, however unlikely it comes off to me. Occam's Razor tells me that he was put in a position where he had to make a choice and he went with someone that he is much closer to and is less of a chud than I am. Regardless I am still worried for him.

Though he does try to get people to play Final Fantasy XIV with him which doesn't exactly help his case.

 

[Toxic BRAAAAP Mask]

I just want to know, why the fuck does this feel like it reads off a script? I know that stereotypes exist for a damn good reason but this all feels so surreal, like I am living through a greentext story. I still hope for the best for both of them but nigga what the fuck?

It's the same thing with cults. It's aways the same story, time after time after time. And that's why troonism has to be treated as a cult since it operates on a set pipeline and isolating victims.

Though he does try to get people to play Final Fantasy XIV with him which doesn't exactly help his case.

FF14 is troon central now, full of them dressing as slutty cat women and RPing. I wouldn't be surprisd if that's where some of it came from. Welcome to the Farms btw.

 

[Unredacted TND]

@Morridowfag Sorry but your story is just too funny. Imagine telling a troon to not groom anyone, maybe a tasteless joke, then he goes full sperg on Trump and jews.

 

[Paper Machete]

I always love how a lot of these stories have the trannies decrying their "forced" "performance" of HYPERmasculinity like they're soldiers in the trenches getting yelled at to "MAN THE FUCK UP PRIVATE!!!" instead of the reality that they're milquetoast neu-male soylenials and tarded zoom zooms who spend hours every day playing vidya and jerking off to futa hentai.

Very few of these guys have crushing responsibilities or anything. They're just kind of meh and developed a weird fetish. Their excuses are pathetic.

 

[Dago]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHyPWn2RCrE

We finally got a decent pianist after all those boys who played with Johnny reb kicked the bucket

 

[Gaystapo]

I have a friend with an MTF AGP transbian brother. I've never met her brother, so I asked out of curiosity what her brother does. At first, she said "She's really into like D&D". And then she clarified what he did for work. She straight-up told me, "My sister doesn't have very big ambitions". Basically just random min-wage wagie jobs with no actual career in mind. And I think her brother is like late-20s or early-30s. They always fit the loser nerd manchild stereotype.

I don't know how parents let their children become like that. My parents would crucify me if I just decided to dedicate my life to random min-wage jobs. Being a wagie is fine when you're young and building yourself up, but to have no actual career plans you're working toward is insane to me. You must not care about your kids very much if you enable that behavior.

I asked what he went to college for, and it was some useless liberal arts degree (I won't say the specific one to avoid doxxing myself in case my friend or her brother somehow stumbles across this).

Edit: I know another AGP similar to this where he dropped out of school "because it was too hard". If being trans is totally healthy, why is it always the failmale loser types who take up AGP porn addiction as an unhealthy coping mechanism?

 

[Wallace]

I have a friend with an MTF AGP transbian brother. I've never met her brother, so I asked out of curiosity what her brother does. At first, she said "She's really into like D&D". And then she clarified what he did for work. She straight-up told me, "My sister doesn't have very big ambitions". Basically just random min-wage wagie jobs with no actual career in mind. And I think her brother is like late-20s or early-30s. They always fit the loser nerd manchild stereotype.

I don't know how parents let their children become like that. My parents would crucify me if I just decided to dedicate my life to random min-wage jobs. Being a wagie is fine when you're young and building yourself up, but to have no actual career plans you're working toward is insane to me. You must not care about your kids very much if you enable that behavior.

I asked what he went to college for, and it was some useless liberal arts degree (I won't say the specific one to avoid doxxing myself in case my friend or her brother somehow stumbles across this).

Edit: I know another AGP similar to this where he dropped out of school "because it was too hard". If being trans is totally healthy, why is it always the failmale loser types who take up AGP porn addiction as an unhealthy coping mechanism?

People who join cults typically have nothing going for them in their lives. The cult offers a sense of purpose, a sense of belonging, and an easy answer to their problems. Even if none of it is real, it's better than nothing.