Lolcow LLC v. Liz Fong-Jones (2026)

[mindlessobserver]

There's no reason to shit up the docket over stuff that won't matter.

Works for Russel Greer though. For some reason.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Works for Russel Greer though. For some reason.

There's a convergence of circumstances in that case that may not be applicable anywhere else.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Rumble entered a case to quash subpoenas just the other day with another vexatious litigant

This bit seems particularly relevant.

A subpoena issued pursuant to the DMCA may “order [a] service provider . . . to expeditiously disclose to the copyright owner . . . information sufficient to identify the alleged infringer of [copyrighted] material,” 17 U.S.C. § 512(h), but “[t]he First Amendment is implicated by civil subpoenas seeking the identi[t]y of anonymous individuals,” Raw Films, Ltd. v. John Does 1-15, 2012 WL 1019067, at *6 (E.D. Pa. Mar. 26, 2012).

Therefore, “the First Amendment . . .can be raised in opposition to a DMCA subpoena,” Signature Mgmt. Team, LLC v. Automattic, Inc., 941 F. Supp. 2d 1145, 1152 (N.D. Cal. 2013), and the Court must “consider[] the important value of anonymous speech balanced against a party’s need for relevant discovery in a civil action,” In re Anonymous Online Speakers, 661 F.3d 1168, 1176 (9th Cir. 2011).9

Edit: forgot the footnote

Rumble has standing to object to a subpoena on the grounds that it infringes its users’ First Amendment rights. See, e.g., McVicker v. King, 266 F.R.D. 92, 95–96 (W.D. Pa. 2010) (media company “clearly has third-party standing to assert the First Amendment rights of individuals anonymously posting to its . . . website”); Enterline v. Pocono Med. Ctr., 751 F. Supp. 2d 782, 786 (M.D. Pa. 200 (similar).

Scanning the list of authorities there's only one case in the S.D.N.Y. district, which isn't too on point. But Rumble was arguing in a different district, I'm sure there's more Hardin can pull up. The rest of the cases make the point well enough.

I will try, but I don't control the judge.

The justice system would be great if it weren't for all the judges.

I think the users who just refilled the legal war chest would consider it a good use of funds to fight subpoenas, even if it's a long shot.

 

[teriyakiburns]

This bit seems particularly relevant.

Sounds like they're arguing fair use is an affirmative defence against the subpoenas directly, which makes a lot of sense. If the material in question is fair use, then the subpoena is frivolous, as there would be no gain from uncovering and suing the anonymous party.

 

[Silver Coin Anon]

We're off to a great start as Dong Gone seeks to life ruination as many people as possible in as short of a time as possible. How does Kiwi Farms end up in so many unlitigated areas of legal theory and set so much... uh... "case law"?

Spoiler: WARNING: DO NOT RESEARCH

Time travel is now a legally approved concept in one federal court district thanks to Greer V. Kiwi Farms, a Website

 

[Donald_J_Trump]

I will try, but I don't control the judge.

If anyone has a link to the Tomlinson subpoena stuff let me know but this is basically uncharted territory. LFJ is a millionaire that works for Honeycomb, he's got a leg up over other lolcows like Stebbins or Fatrick.

We are all rooting for you Null, take my money and give him hell.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

Fong-Jones is seeking information on

@3MMA
@Sexy Senior Citizen
@Diggus Bickus
@teriyakiburns
@Dread First
@The Mass Shooter Ron Soye

View attachment 8732065

Though in the DMCA takedown that was included I only see four of em listed.

View attachment 8732071

So.... Elliot is trying to abuse the subpoena process to dox @3MMA, @Sexy Senior Citizen, @Diggus Bickus, @teriyakiburns, @Dread First, and @The Mass Shooter Ron Soye. Which, given that Elliot is a sociopath, narcissist, and sadist, means he hopes to attack them in whatever methods they can for the rest of their lives for the crime of harming Elliot's ego.

Opsec: Make sure your email is pointing to a throwaway burner that cannot be traced back to your real name. Make sure you switch to a VPN or using TOR (brave browser has it built in) or both. You can change this behavior now if you haven't already.

Edit: Dear Feeder has a guide here: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/cybersecurity-101.11731/

Luckily I have OPSEC and got a throwaway email and use brave for this. Imagine just a single post me referencing south park gets Elliot to try and dox me. Pathetic.

Thanks for notifying me of this, I would've never realized as I'm not on the forum very often

 

[AnOminous]

Heh. I have a very lewd cock.li email that would be hilarious if read out loud in court

One of mine was leaked. anominous@national.shitposting.agency

 

[Diggus Bickus]

LFJ is a foreign resident and could easily request and win for a longer serving time than what he stipulated to waive time for.

The 100 days, regardless of his waiving of service, exists to dox as many people as possible. The DMCA, being the worst law ever written, has a way to engage in one-sided discovery even without filing litigation; he could have done this at any point. He knows we're going to win on copyright so his plan is just to try and subpoena as much user information as he can because he intends to sue everyone or at least get them fired. He could have done this at any time but has decided now is when he wants to kick the hornet's nest.

There's not much I can do about it. This is obviously an abuse of process to attack people for constitutionally protected speech. We'll look over our arguments to try and squash subpoenas but today I'll make a longer post about this tactic.

There's no playing nice with him. His goal is life ruination for as many people as possible because he can't handle being the subject of ridicule. Unlike most lolcows, he's well-funded because of his job with Honeycomb, and he's trying to naturalize in Australia because he resents America, Americans, and our Constitution. He's literally whined about free speech getting in the way of him shutting down the Kiwi Farms.

Luckily I've changed emails ever since before this like twice and none of them link to me. And his subpoena would only grab onto the current one given the stipulations of it.

I trust your methods given that this IS the thing you're very consistent in. Even if he's gonna go outta his way to make this one sided I know still not much will happen. I don't know what he seeks to accomplish with me anyway given that I'm not particularly somewhere I can get fired for nonsense like this.

Fuck DMCAs by the way.

Let's realize how funny this situation is. Elliot had to go to a lawyer, and genuinely ask "Can you get information on this user? Diggus Bickus?" My name was just because I thought it's funny, now it's become absolute poetry as this sociopathic fuck engages into an IRL Monty Python skit.

 

[Null]

Luckily I've changed emails ever since before this like twice and none of them link to me. And his subpoena would only grab onto the current one given the stipulations of it.

I trust your methods given that this IS the thing you're very consistent in. Even if he's gonna go outta his way to make this one sided I know still not much will happen. I don't know what he seeks to accomplish with me anyway given that I'm not particularly somewhere I can get fired for nonsense like this.

Fuck DMCAs by the way.

He just wants to dox as many people as possible and invade their lives as much as possible because he's a litigious sexpest freak. That's it. Power and control is the only thing he cares about.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

He just wants to dox as many people as possible and invade their lives as much as possible because he's a litigious sexpest freak. That's it. Power and control is the only thing he cares about.

Wow, he sounds like a faggot. All I did was make a joke in passing and you're getting lawyers thrown your way. Luckily I'm not really going to care about some sexpest. I've followed the OPSEC rules as I could, hoping my stuff has worked at least somewhat, so he's not particularly going to get that much info even if he does.

 

[DickMain]

Power and control is the only thing he cares about.

Huh, that's what rapists are all about, what a coincidence.

 

[LikeAStone 2.0]

Congratulations to all of Liz’s new consent accident victims. God sneed to you all. You may want to get tested, though…

 

[mindlessobserver]

two tacks that seem obvious to me just glancing over the situation. The first amendment approach to quash the subpoena and the clear bad faith of Fong's fishing expedition. Another approach would be to argue that Kiwifarms holds the licence to the derivative work due to its own TOS and is not seeking DMCA safe harbor. We already know who has published the alleged infringing material. Its Lolcow LLC, which means there is no need to go fishing for other people in order to litigate the dispute. A time "could" come for Fong to find out who those people are, but he would first have to prove the material at hand is actually his, rather then someone else's fair use or derivative material.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

A time "could" come for Fong to find out who those people are, but he would first have to prove the material at hand is actually his, rather then someone else's fair use or derivative material.

What I wonder (and if this has been answered rate me late and gay) is: Who took the picture of Dong Gone? Because if he paid someone to take that, the copyright on the original may (if there was a contract, and if the contract stated as such) lay with the photographer, not with him. (Portrait photogs and wedding photographers commonly do this AFAIK.)

 

[honse]

It would be funny if everyone's account name in this thread was changed to Consent Accident Victim but only for this thread

 

[Pluciferous]

What I wonder (and if this has been answered rate me late and gay) is: Who took the picture of Dong Gone? Because if he paid someone to take that, the copyright on the original may (if there was a contract, and if the contract stated as such) lay with the photographer, not with him. (Portrait photogs and wedding photographers commonly do this AFAIK.)

LFJ put a copyright notice on the photo itself. You are correct that LFJ may be a dumb chink who didn’t realize that the headshot photographer owns the copyright.

The owner of the copyright will be determined in the discovery process, which could potentially take months to complete. This suit is only a couple days old. Calm your tits.

 

[Harvey Danger]

What I wonder (and if this has been answered rate me late and gay) is: Who took the picture of Dong Gone? Because if he paid someone to take that, the copyright on the original may (if there was a contract, and if the contract stated as such) lay with the photographer, not with him. (Portrait photogs and wedding photographers commonly do this AFAIK.)

As mentioned in the first post he's claiming, it was a professional photographer troon named Zackary Drucker. But as part of the actual copyright registration, Drucker transferred copyright to LFJ. I assume that's a mostly normal process, a photographer has original copyright over their creative work, and the client can request it be transferred or include that as part of hiring them.

 

[DavidS877]

What I wonder (and if this has been answered rate me late and gay) is: Who took the picture of Dong Gone? Because if he paid someone to take that, the copyright on the original may (if there was a contract, and if the contract stated as such) lay with the photographer, not with him. (Portrait photogs and wedding photographers commonly do this AFAIK.)

While Elliot is likely mentally deficient, there are apparently valid copyright registrations included with some of the documents.

 

[teriyakiburns]

While Elliot is likely mentally deficient, there are apparently valid copyright registrations included with some of the documents.

It's pretty obvious he set this up as some sort of trap. Thinks he's being clever about it.