Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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Chunky Salsa said:
In fairness the UK one is easy: Starmer is a gay sex robot that is law compliant. Clearly Israel fucked up when they threatened to release videos of him bummimg Ukraines children if he didn't bomb Iran. He just said "Beep boop no. That is illegal." Put the Mossad agent on ignore and went back to eating ass.
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Why would Israel even want the UK involved? Do you even have bombs to drop on people?
 
namvata said:
So basically copying Obama's policy of "regime change from the air" but without any of the tact and discretion that he had when he carried it out in Libya. Surely this won't end in disaster or result in some kind of inevitable mission creep.
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Yes and that's why Obama was the greatest president of the 21st century so far.
 
Two Chinese workers killed after one of the heads of an Iranian cluster missile landed on a construction site. Some reports of an Arab man (resident of Jisr az-Zarqa , 26) suffering a heart attack on his way to a shelter and dying.





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namvata said:
He went in and took advantage of an already ongoing armed insurrection against the state, executing airstrikes against regime targets and giving weapons to rebel elements on the ground to ensure their success. Did it result in a failed state? Yeah. However, did we ultimately achieve our goal of deposing the regime? Also, yeah.

Meanwhile it just seems like the US and Israel are bombing Iran for 5 weeks in the hopes that this will inevitably result in some kind of regime change rather than what is more likely: either a fractured, resentful, and weakened Iran with another impotent crazed madman at the helm and even more of an axe to grind against its neighbors OR..... another failed state like Libya.

Listen I know you guys are high on jingoism right now and to be fair you have every right to be: Israel and America have largely been blessed with having the most retarded and incompetent enemies on the face of the planet. But sooner or later (IE in a month) when the regime still isn't deposed or the country is a failed state you're gonna start having questions about what the entire goal of this campaign was.
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1) Libya was more or less largely a French led op
2) You're completely ignoring the military degredation and erosion of decades of build-up of Iranian assets in a matter of days
 
Ancient Pioneer said:
The entire globe is going to eat a shit sandwich from these oil prices and by next year food prices are going to be absolutely insane because 30% of the worlds fertilizer (Urea, Sulfur, Ammonia, and Phosphate minerals) passes through Hormuz as well because they're a product of natural gas or made in petrochemical plants in the gulf because of proximity to the source material. The four top impacted zones are India, Brazil, USA and EU in that order from the fertilizer loss.
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If Iran has the ability to have such a strategic stranglehold on globally essential resources doesn't that reinforce the argument that something had to be done about the place sooner rather than later? Would an unmolested Iran, left to its own devices to develop increasingly powerful and perhaps nuclear weapons, not represent an increasing risk if at any point it could hold the world to ransome? Maybe ripping the plaster off sooner rather than later is the less painful outcome.

Having said that, as important as the Strait of Hormuz may be, we need to remember it represents the most efficient way of getting from point A to point B for these shipments not the only way. If the strait was filled in with concrete today shipping lanes would reconfigure. Maybe they'd be slower and at greater expense, but that's not the same as it being impossible to get these resources where they're needed.
 
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Fanatical Pragmatist said:
1) Libya was more or less largely a French led op
2) You're completely ignoring the military degredation and erosion of decades of build-up of Iranian assets in a matter of days
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Yeah, insofar as we killed basically their entire chain of command and have severely depleted their military resource in a manner of days it's successful so far I guess, but is the question on what comes afterwards or the end goal itself not important?
 
grump said:
The US already produces the lionshare of its own oil consumption. Plus there is a ton of oil in the US and accessible countries and there are tons of alternatives to oil. Its just a matter of how badly we want it. The econuts have the right instinct in this case. The US can do without foreign oil and is in a better position to do so than its ever been before since the whole petroleum industry got started. We aren't truly hostage to oil countries. Just in a weird position where oil prices are determined globally and its just better to slowly ease ourselves off the status quo.

US oil dependency is one of the most doomer misinformed geopolitical topics there is. If anything its the oil producers who should be afraid as every day their grip on their consumers is rightfully fading. Well not as quickly for places like the EU since for being the environut friendly leftoid preferred power they have remained far more dependent on foreign oil due at least partially to gross incompetence. But still the clock is ticking.

A fallout like scenario where we just 'run out' of oil with no alternatives is pretty much fantasy.
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The oil and gas industry in the US is very complex, and it's hamstrung by a number of socioeconomic factors. The obvious ones are environmental regulations, but on top of that there's another layer of red tape that makes it very costly to set up an oil rig and start pumping, even when they know exactly where the oil is (they do, it's not that hard to find using modern technology).

For example, there are federal oil leases off the coast of California that are let every year; then, the local governments refuse to give the oil companies the permits they need to set up oil platforms and drill for it. Still, the companies pay for the leases every year, knowing they won't be allowed to drill, because they know what a bonanza lies under the waves, and they all want to be the company leasing it on the day the local governments change their mind, which they will be forced to do some day.

Another factor is economics. When oil prices are low, it's often cheaper to buy foreign oil than it is to drill our own. The permitting and EPA oversight cost the most, but wages and insurance are pretty high too. The price of oil going this high creates a bunch of jobs in the oil and gas industry.

Not all crude oil is the same. The sweeter the oil, the less refining it needs. The oil from the Middle East is very sweet and clean and requires the least amount of work to refine into gas. The US has a lot of sweet crude too, but there's also quite a bit of lower quality "sour" crude oil that's mostly used for tar and asphalt in the US. Sour crude can be refined into gas, but it's prohibitively expensive. Their are oil mines in California that are literally holes in the ground that refill themselves with crude oil as fast as it's removed; they don't even have to pump it out, just vacuum it up. It oozes out of the mountainside unassisted, like the Beverly Hillbillies' Texas Tea. That is all asphalt-quality sour crude though. The local Indian tribes used to make it into pitch to waterproof their canoes before the Spaniards came.

Now we come to the refineries, which have been under fire for decades by environmentalists. The oil and gas prices can easily be manipulated by taking the refineries offline for maintenance at the exact "wrong" time (which just happens to be the exact right time for the oil companies to make a bunch of money). Build a brand-new refinery? Forget about it, the environmentalists would rather die than let that happen. Look at what a fit they threw during Biden's term over a simple underground pipeline that you could walk right over without knowing it was there unless there's a sign on the surface just a year or two after it's buried. Oil refineries reek. They smelled like a thousand skunks stuffed with rotting sardines being slow-roasted over a tire fire. I really can't express how generally wretched it smells to be within 10 miles of an operating refinery. We all love filling our tanks, but any sane person would nimby out of having a refinery near their house just because of the hideous smell. We won't even talk about the toxic waste created by the refining process which, no matter how careful they are, is bound to spill, get tracked around, and soak into the soil around the refinery. Former refineries are almost all EPA Superfund sites.

And lastly, there's the mostly valid idea of saving US oil for the future and pushing the Middle East and OPEC to pump out all their oil out first before dipping into our own. Since scientists generally agree that we'll completely run out of oil some day (I disagree btw), it makes sense to hoard your own oil jealously while encouraging other countries to blow through theirs first. If you accept the premise (we're going to run out of oil) then the conclusion and the behavior makes perfect sense. So we will take Venezuela's oil and Iran's oil, even though we don't really need it, and preserve our own safely in the soil.

Wow that's a bunch of words about oil and gas *farts*
 
namvata said:
Because he actually succeeded in deposing Gaddafi and had a plan to do so, whereas it does not seem like Bibi or Trump have such a plan outside of "bomb them for 5 weeks"
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Khameni and a shitload of his top guys literally fucking died in the opening hours.

It took about 6-7 months of coalition air strikes to kill Gadaffi
namvata said:
Yeah, insofar as we killed basically their entire chain of command and have severely depleted their military resource in a manner of days it's successful so far I guess, but is the question on what comes afterwards or the end goal itself not important?
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I mean that's fair, I'm saying in absentia of any other outcome a military victory on its own is still a "win condition"
 
namvata said:
Because he actually succeeded in deposing Gaddafi and had a plan to do so, whereas it does not seem like Bibi or Trump have such a plan outside of "bomb them for 5 weeks"
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All the gayops Obama, Biden and Hillary engaged in resulted in unmitigated disasters, both for the countries involved, and for the US.

They turned what once were stable states, with the only form of government that shitskins can function under, into lawless rubble that exports migrants by the millions.

The three retards were arrogant enough to believe they could keep ISIS contained in Syria before it burst out of there and went on to destroy much of the Middle East.

So I'm not sure by which metric you're judging what Trump is doing as worse than what the other three fuckwits have wrought.
 
Smashed & Slamed said:
Why would Israel even want the UK involved? Do you even have bombs to drop on people?
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Weirdly, yes. The UK has a large precision guided munitions stockpile and is building five more factories for making them. For example we supply 6 ither NATO countries including the USA with smart 155mm artillery shells. We just don't have any people signing up to pull the trigger lol.
 
namvata said:
How will the army and law enforcement institutions be restructured, how many resources will have to be marshalled to make sure that is done correctly to prevent Iran from turning into a failed state like Libya did?
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Zero. The goal was never to enforce a state by our design, only to eliminate a direct threat.
We should all know by now that anyone living in the region between Morocco and Bangladesh who follows Islam is incapable of changing their ways.

If the people of Iran cannot manage to overthrow the regime after the entire leading cadre, military bases, airports, police stations, paramilitary headquarters and storage facilities, police stations and state media companies were completely flattened and wiped out, then they never really stood a chance to overthrow it in the first place.

Either they get their shit together and Persia rises once more, or we will get a new type of Mudslime dictatorship very similar to the old one.
Unless someone wants to send an occupation force of 5 Million with the mandate to indiscriminately tear down every mosque, kill every imam and burn every quran for the next 50 years, we cannot really influence it.
 
Regarding the attack on the US embassy in Oslo, Norway. There was a weird mohammedeen video uploaded to the embassy's location on google maps around the time the attack happened.


Here are google translated versions of two Norwegian news articles:



The picture in the article says the video was posted "20 hours ago" which places it around the time of the attack, but the police say they don't know if it was immediately before or immediately after.

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This was added by the user in arabic curly lettering and it means something like "God is great, we are the victors"

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Edit: Police posted hands. They just posted some blurry pics of a suspect.

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Translated article that looks like it's being updated: https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/ny...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Also why countries like Britain don't cooperate when they are also compromised.
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"Cooperation" is a two way process. The USA and Israel planned this campaign between them. They don't seem to have involved any other states before launching their attacks.

Which they're entirely entitled to do, but there's no point taking action then whining when everyone else doesn't join in without being consulted first.

I'm not sure how much difference countries like Britain, France or others would have made to the outcome so far - the USA has the bombs and Israel has the proximity. The difference it would have made would be diplomatic and optics, but diplomatic outcomes require...diplomacy, and that is Trump's weakness.

You can't threaten allies with tarrifs, insult them and worse one month, then expect them to act in lock step with you the next.

Edit: upon reading your post more carefully I can see you're making a different point to the one I'm responding to, so sorry for that, but I'm leaving the post as it's been a recurring sentiment in this thread.
 
Eurofighter Turbo 9000 said:
This is on news that G7 countries will release oil from their strategic reserves. (The have enough oil to affect markets for about 3 months. After that, we will call it Operation Epic Rekt)
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I'll be surprised if Iran isn't crushed in three weeks, much less three months. Pretty sure Israel's latest estimate says they expect this to go on no longer than five weeks at the max, and Israel is way more invested in blowing up every single little thing than America is.
 
aphaln said:
Two Chinese workers killed after one of the heads of an Iranian cluster missile landed on a construction site. Some reports of an Arab man (resident of Jisr az-Zarqa , 26) suffering a heart attack on his way to a shelter and dying.

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Footage of another warhead seriously injuring a passerby:

One of the warheads also struck a gymnasium at a school in Holon


 
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