Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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The Grognard said:
Brief proposal for a non-retarded and necessary item: Gepard or Marksman turret adapted to Abrams chassis.
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Falcos_Commisar said:
Nor BAD at all. Replace those missiles with module pods for Hydra rockets, stingers, and Coyotes or even something like an AIM-9 or AMRAAM and give the 35mm proxy fuses and we're set.
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There are a lot of options we could have pursued over the years to fill this hole in the doctrine. This was what the Israelis had at one point, IIRC they also foolishly retired it.

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Falcos_Commisar said:
Nor BAD at all. Replace those missiles with module pods for Hydra rockets, stingers, and Coyotes or even something like an AIM-9 or AMRAAM and give the 35mm proxy fuses and we're set.
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I would suggest having pods that can be swapped with ATGMs in case of excessive ground threats, so it can function the same role as the BMPT if there's not enough air threats around. Besides, high elevation and fast-firing autocannons are useful in urban combat.
 
The Grognard said:
I would suggest having pods that can be swapped with ATGMs in case of excessive ground threats, so it can function the same role as the BMPT if there's not enough air threats around. Besides, high elevation and fast-firing autocannons are useful in urban combat.
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This was what the ADATS missile that was proposed for an air-defense Abrams was intended to be. It was a Mach 3 beam-rider with a 12.5kg combined shaped charge/HE-frag warhead. The beamriding didn't work well in bad weather, but looking at stuff like APKWS and Starstreak now, you'd guess that's at least a mitigated issue now, and with a modern IR seeker it'd be a total fix.

Neglect for AA guns is now a bigger issue than the missile gap. Oh how the tables turn.
 
VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
This was what the ADATS missile that was proposed for an air-defense Abrams was intended to be. It was a Mach 3 beam-rider with a 12.5kg combined shaped charge/HE-frag warhead. The beamriding didn't work well in bad weather, but looking at stuff like APKWS and Starstreak now, you'd guess that's at least a mitigated issue now, and with a modern IR seeker it'd be a total fix.

Neglect for AA guns is now a bigger issue than the missile gap. Oh how the tables turn.
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Perhaps they should have stuck to guns-only and let missiles be other people's problem with the original concept.
 
The Grognard said:
Perhaps they should have stuck to guns-only and let missiles be other people's problem with the original concept.
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I mean, depending on who you ask, the entire thing was DOA no matter what it was armed with, because the Army wasn't going to get funding for a SPAAG in the 90s. Definitely not after the Sgt York debacle.
 
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Since Iran started, the drone lovers have been awfully quiet. Turns out that the F-35 wasn't made obsolete by swarms of cheap drones :story:.
 
quaawaa said:
Since Iran started, the drone lovers have been awfully quiet. Turns out that the F-35 wasn't made obsolete by swarms of cheap drones :story:.
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The F-35 has been a unbridled success at this point. It's issues initially were pushed hard by the media. At this point however, it's a mature platform decades ahead of pretty much everyone else
 
WelperHelper99 said:
The F-35 has been a unbridled success at this point. It's issues initially were pushed hard by the media.
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iirc the main issues were a massively overblown budget and problems relating to concurrency. I don't remember any major problems with the program that would have killed it outright because all the problems were solved with the F-22
 
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