George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

[William Murderface]

The biggest problem with King Bran is "then what?" He can't produce heirs, his closest relatives are Sansa, who is busy being Queen of the North, Rickon (MIA or dead as far as anyone knows) and whatever cousins or nieces/nephews come out of the woodwork and decide they want the throne he's on, and barring them whatever is left of the other houses a generation later. Instead of looking towards the Wars of the Roses for inspiration, we'll be looking towards the Hundred Years War.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The biggest problem with King Bran is "then what?" He can't produce heirs, his closest relatives are Sansa, who is busy being Queen of the North, Rickon (MIA or dead as far as anyone knows) and whatever cousins or nieces/nephews come out of the woodwork and decide they want the throne he's on, and barring them whatever is left of the other houses a generation later. Instead of looking towards the Wars of the Roses for inspiration, we'll be looking towards the Hundred Years War.

I'm pretty sure the ending with Sansa becoming Queen in the North put the Iron Throne into electoral monarchy. So whether or not Bran can have kids is not the question; the moment he dies, the nobles just go full Holy Roman Empire/Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and elect another monarch.

Yep Joffrey and Tywin Lannister can’t keep getting away with it…

Joffrey and Tywin weren't killed because they were evil, they were killed because someone else thought they were in the way. Tyrion sought vengeance, not caring at all that killing his father would de-stabilize the realm, and Joffrey was killed so that the nobles like Littlefinger and the Tyrells can have a more pliable puppet in Tommen.

I hate GRRM's writing style and what it has done to all types of fantasy. (Fuck everyone who was responsible for FFXVI "the GOT of the series".) I will give him credit the red wedding and Robb's death was good. To give the show runners some credit too Stannis burning his daughter and STILL losing was also good. He can write/setup some pretty good downfalls.

Stannis' death was just them killing him off so Jon can take his place; it makes little sense to me.

I can't even see Robb's death as original. Star Wars beat him to it with Order 66, which was inspired by the Godfather. Robb was just too stupid to politically weigh his marriages and got himself killed as a result. The Red Wedding is just repeating what happened to Ned Stark to his entire family.

Although if this were the realistic Middle Ages, he'd just be under house arrest in KL, where Tywin can keep an eye on him and his mum. Especially since Tywin is on record as wanting to create a good legacy for his family that can last a millennium; killing nobles and royals is the last thing that can achieve that. If you keep doing that, no noble or royal will make deals with you, and the Church would excommunicate your ass. Especially when your guys kill baptized royal babies.

The problem with GRRM is that he passes off ASOIAF as realistic to the Middle Ages, when in reality, too many people don't give a shit about religion, and they're way too eager to spill noble or royal blood, which is something the medieval people are not. More than likely, the enemy lord or king will capture you and sell you back to your family for every red cent in your family's wallet. Like how Richard the Lionheart pissed off some German dudes during the Crusade to the Holy Land, so they captured his ass on the way back and forced the English to pay a huge-ass ransom for his return.

They also had female knightly orders, so Brienne would have a place to join. The ban on female knights was done in the Renaissance, long after the Middle Ages.

 

[TheHarbinger]

The biggest problem with King Bran is "then what?"

This is the ending for the entire series though. The Others are dead. "Now what?". You still have infighting over the Iron Throne. And the constant dread and fear of dragons returning. Plus Essos saw zero losses from the Others in the GOT adaptation. They might invade or the Dothraki might ruin Westeros. The Wildlings now live below the Wall. There's more conflict after the Others than before the invasion.

Instead of looking towards the Wars of the Roses for inspiration, we'll be looking towards the Hundred Years War.

GRRM is influenced by American politics probably more than anything. A perpetual war ending is more fitting than God King Bran.

 

[When will it begin?]

Stannis' death was just them killing him off so Jon can take his place; it makes little sense to me.

Yeah it didn't make that much sense, but I still liked it. It made the world feel realistic. Like if he's willing to murder his own daughter and heir I need to get out of here because it's clear I'm just a body to throw into the meat grinder.

 

[Dr Naomi Hunter]

Joffrey and Tywin weren't killed because they were evil, they were killed because someone else thought they were in the way.

Been a few years since I read the books but isn’t it heavily implied that Olenna had him poisoned because he would have been an evil arsehole to Margaery? There’s also a theory that Tywin had him whacked because he was an evil and unpredictable arsehole and that Tommen would have been more pliable? In either case he was assassinated because he was evil + plus a political reason.

There’s also no guarantee Tyrion was going to kill Tywin. He could have just left him alone. Tywin’s mistreatment of Tyrion definitely played a role in the former’s demise.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

GRRM is influenced by American politics probably more than anything.

There's your explanation as to why the Targaryens couldn't conquer Dorne. It's basically an Afghanistan metaphor for GRRM. Even though the actual Medieval civilizations had no problems conquering deserts. The Byzantines conquered the desert against the Persians. Then the Arabs conquered them. Then The Turks conquered the Arabs. Then the Mongols fought the Turks and destroyed a Persian "Khwarazmian" empire that was founded by a Turk, while the Turks and Arabs also lost land to the Crusaders who came from Western Europe. Then the Turks regained their strength and conquered both the Arabs and the Balkans.

The Targaryens had way more resources and manpower than any of these civilizations, yet they couldn't conquer Dorne. Which made zero sense. Especially since Dorne isn't the most fertile region in the realms, so a surprise attack by a dragon burning their crops during night-time would be something they cannot stop, and would utterly decimate their population and economy, forcing them to surrender just by the threat of it.

Yeah it didn't make that much sense, but I still liked it. It made the world feel realistic. Like if he's willing to murder his own daughter and heir I need to get out of here because it's clear I'm just a body to throw into the meat grinder.

It would've made more sense if Jon Snow and some Wildlings joined Stannis. Then Stannis has a talk with Jon, with Melisandre saying something about how she saw in her visions that Jon was born of Fire and Blood. Stannis, after a talk with Shireen, who doesn't want to be queen, makes Jon his heir, as a way to placate the North who would only recognize a Stark as king. Then they march off to fight the Boltons, and Ramsay hits Stannis with a well-placed arrow. But Jon rallies Stannis' forces and the Wildlings and they eventually win the day with some help from Petyr Baelish and the Knights of the Vale. As it stands, they wasted a whole season.

 

[William Murderface]

I'm pretty sure the ending with Sansa becoming Queen in the North put the Iron Throne into electoral monarchy. So whether or not Bran can have kids is not the question; the moment he dies, the nobles just go full Holy Roman Empire/Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and elect another monarch.

Or they decide they want the big chair and aren't worried about elections and will get it the old fashioned war: by winning a war.

 

[Dr Naomi Hunter]

There's your explanation as to why the Targaryens couldn't conquer Dorne. It's basically an Afghanistan metaphor for GRRM.

The first two books pre date the US invasion of Afghanistan though.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The first two books pre date the US invasion of Afghanistan though.

Not the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which was still fresh in American minds by the 90s.

The Dornish shooting down a dragon is the medieval fantasy version of a Mujahideen fighter shooting down a Soviet helicopter.

Or they decide they want the big chair and aren't worried about elections and will get it the old fashioned war: by winning a war.

Between the nobles houses, I suppose whoever wins the Reach will get it.

 

[When will it begin?]

Between the nobles houses, I suppose whoever wins the Reach will get it.

It should be Edmure.

The North stays happy he won't try something and most importantly he didn't really do anything in the war except protect the Riverlands. So he didn't offend any of the other major houses by killing a relative.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It should be Edmure.

The North stays happy he won't try something and most importantly he didn't really do anything in the war except protect the Riverlands. So he didn't offend any of the other major houses by killing a relative.

When he tried to speak up in the council at Season 8, it was so insulting of Sansa to tell him to quiet down. He was a senior lord of the realm, he was a war veteran, a prisoner of war, Edmure is the one amongst them aside from Jon who is fit to be king.

But in an all-out war between the houses, like I said, whoever controls the Reach will wind up winning. Control over the food supply and the largest army in the realm is the kind of broken advantage in a medieval setting that would allow one realm to boss over others.

 

[bango skank]

You know, I really enjoyed Dunk&Egg, but it was too goddamn short. The thing came and went in barely a month, how the fuck are people supposed to get and stay excited for something so fleeting? I actually liked the shorter episode length compared to GoT and HotD, but six episodes? I haven’t read the novellas but there has to have been at least enough material that was cut or glossed over to give us another three or four episodes, right? Hopefully, the success of the show combined with the fact they don’t have to blow a chunk of every episode’s budget on cgi dragons means we can get a longer season next time around.

 

[GGSurvivor]

The problem with GRRM is that he passes off ASOIAF as realistic to the Middle Ages, when in reality, too many people don't give a shit about religion, and they're way too eager to spill noble or royal blood, which is something the medieval people are not. More than likely, the enemy lord or king will capture you and sell you back to your family for every red cent in your family's wallet. Like how Richard the Lionheart pissed off some German dudes during the Crusade to the Holy Land, so they captured his ass on the way back and forced the English to pay a huge-ass ransom for his return.

This is probably the biggest flaw in ASOIAF with it's depiction of religion. You're telling me the only religious people are fools like Baelor The Blessed? Give me a break.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Been a few years since I read the books but isn’t it heavily implied that Olenna had him poisoned because he would have been an evil arsehole to Margaery?

In the books Olenna takes the poison from Sansa's hair ornaments. The speculation is that Littlefinger plants the poison on Sansa so that she will take the blame for the poisoning or at least Tyrion will. But of course Littlefinger plans on taking Sansa for himself and Olenna doesn't know this. But she's in on the plan to murder Joffrey as is Margaery (seeing as she avoids drinking or touching Jofffrey's cup once the poison is in it).

I haven’t read the novellas but there has to have been at least enough material that was cut or glossed over to give us another three or four episodes, right?

They removed lots of stuff like Duncan's quest to find six other knights. Aegon also tries to find knights as well. It was Aegon that brought Lyonel Baratheon and not Duncan (a foreshadowing of Aegon being able to use his ring to gain favor with even the highest lords). Duncan's thoughts on Arlan being old enough to see living dragons is part of the story and a major foreshadowing of the entire series (including the puppet show). Duncan's emphasis on just winning one tilt and that giving him enough coin to live on for a full year and how destitute he truly is is mostly ignored in the HBO version.

They also added and changed a lot of things. Like the partying and feasting and Duncan goofing around is way different than in the books where he can barely afford to pay for food and armor and has to barter nearly everything he can. On the show he's busy doing tug of war competitions and drinking as if he's made of money. Also the novella has zero farting or shitting whereas the HBO is loaded with them. The tone is serious but on the show it's Marvel humor for retards.

The ending is very different as well. In the HBO show Duncan steals Aegon again without permission from his father. In the novella Maekar essentially tells Duncan he knows he wasn't a knight but recognizes him as a knight from that point on. And then tells Duncan that Aegon will be his squire seeing as the boy refuses to do anything else. And that they are making room at Summerhall for them. Dunca says he will only have Aegon with him if he can remain a hedge knight. Maekar gives Aegon his ring and says to use it when there are no other options.

 

[nikma]

GRRM will never write another Dunk and Egg story which will fully and completely confirm the fact that he doesn't want to write anymore and isn't capable of writing.

TWOW is impossible to write because last two books are terrible slop, but he can't write Dunk and Egg either because he is a lazy cunt.

 

[astrohairlip]

After everyone insisting to me that this one is different, I tried to watch half an episode of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. Within the first several minutes, it has Marvel movie tone silliness, with Ser Duncan taking a big dump in full view so you can see shit spraying everywhere. Good one.
A few minutes later, I see him making googly eyes at a fairly ugly brown hooker. Of course.
A minute later, a comment from a white girl talking about someone being "hung like a Dornishman." Cool, I've seen enough.
I didn't used to care about this stuff. To be clear, it's not that it's present at all, as often claimed by people who either don't seem to mind or are fully on board with whatever message they align with. I'm not "sensitive" or "seething" about it, I'm just not interested in it. I have better ways of entertaining myself than watching the product of socially programmed faggots. If you don't see it, you're blind or in denial. If you don't mind it, that's fine I guess, but I'm good.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

 

[Tasty Tatty]

After everyone insisting to me that this one is different, I tried to watch half an episode of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. Within the first several minutes, it has Marvel movie tone silliness, with Ser Duncan taking a big dump in full view so you can see shit spraying everywhere. Good one.
A few minutes later, I see him making googly eyes at a fairly ugly brown hooker. Of course.
A minute later, a comment from a white girl talking about someone being "hung like a Dornishman." Cool, I've seen enough.
I didn't used to care about this stuff. To be clear, it's not that it's present at all, as often claimed by people who either don't seem to mind or are fully on board with whatever message they align with. I'm not "sensitive" or "seething" about it, I'm just not interested in it. I have better ways of entertaining myself than watching the product of socially programmed faggots. If you don't see it, you're blind or in denial. If you don't mind it, that's fine I guess, but I'm good.

You got filtered.

 

[astrohairlip]

You got filtered.

Gladly so. I hope to be filtered by all similar faggotry in the future.

 

[Hijo de D. Woodchucks Jr.]

GRRM wrote ten miniseries, four novellas, and two videogames

I still don't know in what part of Elden Ring I'm supposed to find this fat piece of shit's influence. His name was literally slapped on it and I'm not entirely convinced it even did anything to help, since "Shiny Dark Souls" was going to print money regardless.