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Politics don't run along any single spectrum and realizing that is essential to attaining political maturity. Opposites often make common cause for political expediency, sometimes to positive effect (Communism and Democracy aligning to take out Fascism), but often in a negative fashion, such as the fusing of Goldwater Republicans and the Religious Right in the 80's, or the current relationship between progressivism and Islamism.
I have noticed that leftists are way less willing to partner up with someone than people on the right though - or maybe because I'm on the left it's easier to see the more extreme reactions. In any case, I'm talking outside of political office - inside there are a whole bunch of other reasons people do or don't leave their ideology. I remember reading in Stewart Lee's autobiography that he explains his disdain for Ben Elton (which is perfectly reasonable, Ben Elton is terrible) as being because in part he sold out by making we will rock you, because it's about Queen, and Queen were conservatives who broke the media embargo during the apartheid. That's fucking crazy though, Queen were and are amazing and who gives a fuck what their politics were. I later learned Alan Moore (who is friends with Stewart Lee irl) felt the same way, and thought Gordon Brown was a fascist right winger.
 
There are some really funny Lord of the Rings edits that mock Islamophiles:

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Hahaha, SJWs seem to have a love-hate relationship with LOTR. On one hand, it's too cool/epic movie for them to dislike, on the other, way too few POCs/gays/women for them to consider unproblematic.
 
While we're on the subject, the Guardian, in their review of Warcraft, compared the orcs in the film to Muslim migrants and implied that the film as a whole is a metaphor for the Euro migrant crisis:

http://archive.is/xjJzz
 
While we're on the subject, the Guardian, in their review of Warcraft, compared the orcs in the film to Muslim migrants and implied that the film as a whole is a metaphor for the Euro migrant crisis:

http://archive.is/xjJzz

The writer needs to analyse his own biases if he sees fantasy orcs as human beings.
 
Didn't the Angry Birds movie get accused of the same thing?​
It sure did. Regressives really like seeing the hidden US imperialist and capitalist propaganda hidden inside children's films, it's yet another way they mirror the religious right. I'm looking forward to the day they are allowed to see PG movies.
 
While we're on the subject, the Guardian, in their review of Warcraft, compared the orcs in the film to Muslim migrants and implied that the film as a whole is a metaphor for the Euro migrant crisis:

http://archive.is/xjJzz
Just skimming the article it looks like the author has no idea about the RTS Warcraft games it was based on. But sure, the devs back in the 90s were definitely thinking of the Euro migrant crisis.
 
While we're on the subject, the Guardian, in their review of Warcraft, compared the orcs in the film to Muslim migrants and implied that the film as a whole is a metaphor for the Euro migrant crisis:

http://archive.is/xjJzz

Christ... I could powerlevel for days here... Unfortunately they tried to fit 6 hours worth of story into 2 hours of movie, so Warcraft isn't likely to get a sequel, and people not privy to the lore will never get to understand that way after the events of the second war, the alliance and horde have to unify for basically the rest of the story, sans a couple pockets in time. It's pretty good about teaching tolerance over acceptance, as they still constantly want to murder each other, but don't due to a greater common enemy constantly bringing them together. Why would SJW's want to glom onto Blizzard fiction (outside of overwatch) is beyond me, because WC is a constant barrage of death, torture, slavery, and imperialism. Anyone they compare themselves to are generally viewed as savages, because they'll never identify as the FUCKING WHITE MALES that are so common on the Alliance. The orcs enslave an entire species known as Dranei, and consume their souls to power the magic that allows their war parties to cross the border in between their worlds for the expressed purpose of raping and pillaging whitey. You know, now that I think about it, Muslims are a bit like Orcs...

Edit: Totally unrelated. I've been waiting for a solid year to find an excuse to post this video on the farms, and this may be the closest thread I'll have to it being relevant.

 
remember that website about how thick socks you can wear in the temple.
 
Christ... I could powerlevel for days here... Unfortunately they tried to fit 6 hours worth of story into 2 hours of movie, so Warcraft isn't likely to get a sequel, and people not privy to the lore will never get to understand that way after the events of the second war, the alliance and horde have to unify for basically the rest of the story, sans a couple pockets in time. It's pretty good about teaching tolerance over acceptance, as they still constantly want to murder each other, but don't due to a greater common enemy constantly bringing them together. Why would SJW's want to glom onto Blizzard fiction (outside of overwatch) is beyond me, because WC is a constant barrage of death, torture, slavery, and imperialism. Anyone they compare themselves to are generally viewed as savages, because they'll never identify as the FUCKING WHITE MALES that are so common on the Alliance. The orcs enslave an entire species known as Dranei, and consume their souls to power the magic that allows their war parties to cross the border in between their worlds for the expressed purpose of raping and pillaging whitey. You know, now that I think about it, Muslims are a bit like Orcs...

Edit: Totally unrelated. I've been waiting for a solid year to find an excuse to post this video on the farms, and this may be the closest thread I'll have to it being relevant.


That's not powerleveling, that's droning on about boring stuff we don't want to hear about.

If you want to actually powerlevel and tell us all about your furry inflation Deviantart which contains your real name and address, feel free.

Last year, Paradox Interactive banned the "remove kebab" meme from their forums.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-regarding-the-use-of-kebab-as-a-slur.978145/
 
Remember that billboard in Indiana that got Muslims riled up? Well, Snopes published an article claiming that it's all lies and falsehoods created to smear the name of the Prophet, PBUH. Snopes even claims that the billboard is "hate speech"... completely disregarding the fact that the billboard only talks about Muhammad, with no references to Muslims themselves at all.

The Religion of Peace (by no means an unbiased website, but one that does provide plenty of non-biased sources) did an excellent takedown of Snope's disingenuous article here. Basically, Snopes took the opinions of a couple of Muslim apologists as fact and didn't bother investigating any further.

Snopes used to be a website that cared about getting it right. It dispelled false rumors circulating the Internet and was a fairly reliable source of accurate information, particularly when it came to busting hoaxes.

My how times have changed.

In 2017, a billboard went up in Indianapolis which many people found offensive because it made unflattering accusations about Islam's prophet Muhammad, namely that he:
  • Married a 6-year-old
  • Owned and traded slaves
  • Raped women
  • Beheaded 600 Jews in one day
  • Had 13 wives, including 11 at one time
  • Tortured and killed non-Muslims
Each of these is found in established and respected Islamic sources. However, most articles in the mainstream media ignored this point and simply took the word of Muslim community leaders that the billboard is "cowardly," "outrageous," "bigoted," and "untrue."

One might expect better of Snopes. Surely a website for which credibility is everything would do its homework and publish an accurate article with references to the Hadith and Sira... or would it?

What Snopes produced instead was an article heavy on spin, light on truth. The billboard's message was rated "mostly false" and "no where near accurate." The only point conceded as "true" is that Muhammad had eleven wives. The others were dismissed (mostly on the opinion of a Muslim apologist who "can't think" of any reason why they would be true).

Here is how Snopes addressed each "False" or "Undetermined" point and why they are wrong:

Slaves

Snopes says that Muhammad "was known for freeing slaves, not dealing them."

Muhammad did free a few slaves. He also made a lot more slaves out of people who weren't, such as the women and children of the tribes he conquered and/or had beheaded. This is beside the point, however. As to whether Muhammad exchanged slaves for other slaves and material goods such as women and horses, it certainly isn't hard to verify. Here is one example from the Sahih (authentic) Hadith:
A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin `Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave. Sahih Bukhari 34:351It can't be any clearer than that. Other examples of Muhammad's relationship with slaves, including owning and trading them, can be found here.


Rape

Snopes says that "there are no historical accounts of the Prophet committing rape."

Actually there are several accounts of Muhammad condoning and even encouraging rape. Here is one which comes from the Sahih (reliable) Hadith:The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have relations with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So, Allah the exalted sent down the Quranic verse “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand posses.” This is to say that they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period. Abu Dawood 2150If capturing a woman and then penetrating her (in front of her husband, no less) isn't rape to Snopes, then one has to wonder what they're on. What part of this screams 'consensual sex' to them?

Raping women captured in battle was a fairly common practice of Muhammad's followers. As the hadith indicates, his encouragement of it even became enshrined in the Quran, as was the keeping of women as sex slaves (4:24).

But perhaps sex slavery isn't rape to Snopes... hard to tell, since they pretend not to know about any of this.

(More about Muhammad and Rape here)

Torture

Again, Snopes claims that "there are no historical accounts of the Prophet torturing people." (It's kind of surprising that they didn't tack on "peace be upon him").

Really? No historical accounts of torture? What about:

1) Beating a man who had drunk wine (Abu Dawud 4462)
2) Planting people in the ground and stoning them to death (Sahih Bukhari 93:633)
3) Cutting off hands and feet, and gouging eyes (Sahih Bukarhi 52:261)

These all come from Sahih Hadith, which is judged by Islamic scholarship to be reliable and authentic narrations of Muhammad's life. (More accounts can be found here).

Married a 6-Year-Old

Snopes says Aisha's age is "undetermined." This seems to be because, on the one hand, every reliable and authentic historical account says that Muhammad married her at age 6 and began having sex with her at age 9... but... on the other, a lot of Muslims really wish this weren't true.
Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Bukhari 62:65)There are about a dozen authentic (sahih) hadith that faithfully record this shameful chapter of Muhammad's sex life. This is more than enough to establish the reliability of the account, particularly since there are none from the Sahih Hadith that say otherwise. By comparison, there is actually less support for some of the Five Pillars of Islam than the age of Aisha (not to mention the wives of Muhammad, which Snopes admits is "true").

The prime source that Snopes uses to "debunk" 1400 years of Islamic scholarship is an associate professor in Vancouver who happens to be a Muslim apologist! This is sort of like accepting a character reference from an applicant's mother. (Worse, this is the same "expert" who claims not to know of any historical accounts from Muhammad's life that involve rape, torture or slavery - even though these are documented in the most prominent and respected sources of Islamic history).

While the historical references to Aisha's age when her marriage to Muhammad was "consummated" are straightforward and consistent, the Snopes academic offers a more esotericapproach to the whole subject of Islam and history. He says that the accuracy of any account of Muhammad's life is "shaky," that Muslims "disagree" about who Muhammad was and what he did, and that "the billboard is not accurate because it doesn’t represent Muslim faith." In other words, the facts are irrelevant against what Muslims prefer to believe about Muhammad.

Back in the real world, facts do matter. A 9-year-old girl is not a consenting adult, and men who have sex with children should be locked up rather than revered as great prophets.

Shockingly, Snopes cannot bring itself to denounce pedophilia. Instead they try to rationalize the act - and even accuse the critics of being "nasty and disingenuous," rather than the 53-year-old man sleeping with a child!


Beheaded 600 Jews

Snopes says the claim that Muhammad beheaded 600 Jews is "an attempt to paint the prophet as an anti-Semite" and that the number is a source of controversy. It also claims that the people were beheaded for "allowing an attack to happen from the inside" against the Muslims during a battle, thus implying that they deserved their fate.

It is true that the Qurayza head count is estimated in the record, although it isn't clear where the figure of "100-200" comes from, since Snopes declines to cite their source for this. The most detailed and reliable accounts (Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Kathir) place the number at between 600 and 900 Jews.

Contrary to Snopes, there was never an "attack from the inside" during the Battle of the Trench (that apologist stratagem is further debunked here), nor is it feasible that every male in the tribe was deserving of death. The Qurayza did not kill or harm a single Muslim. In fact, they did not participate, since it was not their fight.

If beheading 600-900 peaceful Jews and enslaving their wives and children makes Muhammad "look like an anti-Semite"... well, then, perhaps he was. After all, this is the man who told his followers to "Kill any Jew who falls under your power" (Tabari 7:97) and "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him" (Sahih Bukhari 52:117). In any event, protecting Muhammad's image is not sufficient excuse for dismissing historical fact.

The beheading of the Qurayza Jews is detailed in the Sira and confirmed by the Sahih Hadith (Bukhari 59:447, among others). This is the most respected source of Islamic history. It is blatantly dishonest and over the top to say, as Snopes does, that any reference to the beheading is "no where near accurate" and thus qualifies as "hate speech... meant to dehumanize a segment of the population." Why would devout and dedicated Islamic historians want to dehumanize Muslims?

Conclusion

Snopes isn't clear about their criteria for determining what is true in this case, but it appears to be inconsistent, to say the least. Each of the "deeds" they insist are "false" or "undetermined" are confirmed by the same evidence that supports the one deed said to be true.

Instead of independently verifying the claims against the historical record, Snopes simply defers to the opinions of those who brazenly discount it. This is contrary to how a "fact-checking" organization might be expected to operate.

The truth about Muhammad isn't too hard to find. Either Snopes is remarkably lazy or they are actively misleading readers to serve an agenda. Pushing Islamic propaganda under the guise of objectivity ruins the credibility of what used to be a respected brand.

I'm gonna go ahead and quote my post from the thread talking about the billboard:

"It's a sign they believe spews hate speech and lies about their faith."

But there's actual historical evidence that suggests that Muhammad
Also, I don't mean to sound bitchy towards Muslims, but I think it's pretty amusing how until the 20th century (when the West became very concerned with a newfangled concept called "human rights") Muslims didn't really object to accounts of Muhammad being an immoral warlord. Seriously, if you look into it, these accounts only began to be questioned in the 20th Century, when we finally began the widespread adoption of our modern views of morality and human rights. Even today, in many Islamic countries, Muslims do not object to these accounts of Muhammad.

I do feel bad for Muslims who really do want to believe that Muhammad was the perfect man they were taught he was. I mean, the worst thing my man Jesus did was throw a tantrum because merchants were hawking their shit in a temple. Muhammad... well, just look at the list above. Those accounts detailing Muhammad's words and actions were not created by Christian/Western Islamophobes centuries after Muhammad died. No, they were written by people who personally knew (or knew people who personally knew) Muhammad and held him in the upmost respect. Like it or not, the accounts of Muhammad being an immoral warlord were written by devout Muslims relatively soon after Muhammad's death. Why would they lie?
 
My Facebook SJW (who's been brought up in numerous threads) has a teaching job leaving her all summer free to sperg. This is her latest effort:

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Considering Muslims only make up 0.6% of the population of the US, most people probably won't ever get the chance to talk to one.
For some reason this really pisses me off. It's such a stupid non-statement (but becuase its kinda catchy if youre literally an idiot, it will get re-tweeted like it's some deep philosophical observation like Nietzche wrote it or some shit). There are plenty of lonely people in the world who are ignored and ostracized, for any reason. You might as well say something like "incels are very often made fun of in this country, but very rarely made love to" like what the fuck. Welcome to reality, you arent entitled to anyone's time, attention, or anything.

Its the human fucking condition, get used to it.... its kind of like.... Shit that applies to anyone and everyone.
 
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"B-b-but muh far-right terrorism!"

https://archive.fo/LIxss
While attacks by violent jihadists understandably command the most attention, we need to be wary of ignoring the threat from those radicalized by an increasingly well-connected and mobilized far right. The ideologies of these movements are symbiotic, with both sides playing off a fear of the other to tailor their messages and attract new audiences.

"I'm a complete fucking idiot so not only do I somehow think that white supremacists, lunatics and Islamists have teamed up to whip everyone on the planet into a frenzy for laffs, but also I guess I'm in on it too since I claim to live in a world where right wing terrorism is just as dangerous and symbiotic with Islamic terrorism, and I just wrote a big dumb think piece about how bad and prevalent right wing terrorism is, perpetuating the exact situation I claim we need to be wary of."
 
It seems Maajid Nawaz is planning to sue the Southern Poverty Law Centre for defamation:


I really hope he succeeds so he can show up that bunch of charlatans for what they really are.
 
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