subarcwelder [score hidden] 6 hours ago
For arguments sake I’m making generalizations.
I’m straight. There’s definitely a difference between the way I lust after women and the way I crush on women. With cis-men i find they have a hard time figuring out that difference and in turn it makes them view women as not human/something to conquer.
When I lust after women it’s identical to the way cis men do it.
When i crush on women it’s definitely different than the way cis men do. I appreciate women for who they are not what they can do for me - that is the difference.
As for sex, (might be TMI so keep scrolling if you don’t wanna read) i fuck like a cis man with my growth. I don’t use a strap on nor do i have sex in a way that’s similar to lesbian sex. I cannot finish any other way. Nor am I inclined to try it any other way.
I don’t find this way of thinking “sapphic” at all. I’m just a dude with a deeper understanding/appreciation when it comes to women i guess.
camzvium [score hidden] 3 hours ago*
This is so strange to me. It’s not like being romantic or shy around women makes someone’s attraction to them less straight. Cis men don’t need to objectify women they’re attracted to, and queer cis women are capable of objectifying women they’re attracted to, typically if they’re a member of a dominant group (ex white, cis) while their object of attraction isn’t. Edited to note: this dynamic can also happen when the person a woman is attracted to is a man but occupies a similarly socially subordinate position.
It almost seems like benevolent sexism to put queerness on a pedestal like this. There isn’t anything inherently more pure about queer love. The only thing that makes it “powerful” in my mind is that it exists in a world that would rather it not, but queer people are just as capable of having patriarchal biases as anyone else. Not being a cis straight man doesn’t make someone automatically a better person. Queer people just tend to not be able to do as much harm relative to their non-queer counterparts because they’re not the group with the power.
[–]FakeBirdFacts [score hidden] 2 hours ago*
Yeah, came here to say this. I have been on the receiving end of sexual harassment from queer women. There is no difference in the sexual harassment, especially when it’s racial.
People that believe there is this nebulous difference, that they are automatically better than cis straight men in relationships, tend to have issues with consent. They have placed themselves as automatically being morally superior, cast themselves in the light that they could never hurt/harass/abuse people like straight cis men. So when someone says no, someone says that hurt me, they don’t listen.
I’ve had issues where saying “I am not a woman,” and “I am asexual,” were taken to be challenges. That they were up to debate, that they could “make” me a lesbian. I’d definitely say the individuals harassing me were transphobic, but I’ve had this happen to me before and after coming out as trans. That there was an entitlement because I looked masculine and was visually brown, that I needed to be their Butch fantasy.
I’ve talked about this with butches particularly black/brown butches and the fetishization and sexual entitlement is apparently pretty universal, at least along racial lines. Talking about racism in the queer community is like pulling teeth, but it was really upsetting to hear how universal getting groped was.
Dinger814- T 10-31-14 [score hidden] 7 hours ago
Yes! Too many things to agree with you on lol.
I work in a majority male environment and hearing the way cis-men talk about women - I know we don’t relate at all. Especially the lack of real romantic attraction and intimacy towards women. I’ve always known this but it’s become more reinforced and clear to me watching men in the world currently. I am more attracted to lesbian intimacy and sex now than before, but still consider myself straight. It is kind of a head spin when I think about it. I’ve always dated “straight” women, so this change in perspective does make me wonder how I fit into lesbian spaces while keeping my male identity. Bc I want lesbian intimacy and connection too! Totally feel the internal struggle with you. Thanks for putting it into words
[–]cat_in_a_bookstore [score hidden] 6 hours ago
Yeah, honestly this post resonates with me so hard that I don’t even know where to start. I’m bisexual but like, almost entirely attracted to women. I identified as a lesbian before coming out as trans. I say I’m a queer trans man and usually that attracts the right type of women- women who see me as a man but still want to love, date, and fuck queerly.
Also just like… I’m literally a grill dad whose happy place is Ace Hardware and I still have almost nothing in common with most cishet men. I just hate how they talk about women. I’d way rather hang out with lesbians. We just have more in common. My friend says it’s because I’ve been a dyke but I’ve never been a douche lmao.
[–]Dinger814- T 10-31-14 [score hidden] 6 hours ago
I love your username!
And agreed. I like “manly things”, but that doesn’t include objectifying women
[–]cat_in_a_bookstore [score hidden] 6 hours ago
Love yours too! Fucked up that we’re getting downvoted on the first post I can relate to in ages, but I really appreciate your perspective.
[–]Cameron_Connor [score hidden] 5 hours ago
Ohhhh awesome! I’m glad for you! I am wondering about how being openly trans on dating apps could help me find the right type of women (have been stealth for privacy/security reasons)
Haha absolutely! I think that is a trans dudes who are not misogynistic, can be as masculine as possible… but we might not relate to cis men because most have not worked out their misogyny. We know what it is do live it and it’s disgusting. For them it’s like afab people are another species.
HAHAH your friends sound cool
[–]Cameron_Connor [score hidden] 5 hours ago
Daaaamn wanting lesbian intimacy and keeping your male identity hits SOOOO HARD. Like exactly! I crave that intimacy… at the same time, i don’t wanna enter lesbian speces where I’ll be reduced to my AGAB. It’s like eh… maybe bi/pan girls are my best go.
[–]Jovial_Nectarine [score hidden] 4 hours ago
Yeah personally if she's not bi or pan (especially if she isn't pan) I'm not going for it. I don't date straight women.