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"How can anybody say being trans is not biological? The science is clear enough to show that our internal sense of sex and gender develops prenatally during weeks 8-20 when our endocrine systems are being tuned to androgens and estrogens and critical neurological systems and structures are being formed."
I don't know if they know it, but they might unintentionally making the pro-life case here.
 
I don't know if they know it, but they might unintentionally making the pro-life case here.
I spent about 4 years arguing with redditors so I'm taking a well deserved break from it all at the moment.
That thing they do about 'show me a link to prove your claims...no not that kind of link.. a real link from a verified source (one that we approve of) just drives me crazy.
And if you disagree, you're a fascist who needs reprogramming.

I find it curious how society got so easily divided on certain subjects and we all think the other side is crazy now. Seems like someone up above did a really good brainwashing job.
 
Okay, credit where credit is due:

Excepting the five-o'clock-shadow, he almost kinda passes: his hair is fairly thick and isn't fried with bleach and blue&pink dye; eyebrows are well-groomed and even somewhat fashionable; and his lips would look really good on an actual woman. Oh, and he has not dressed himself like a prostitute.

I feel a bit bad for this one, especially since the impression I receive from his writing is — again, rarely for troons — sadness, loneliness, and despair, rather than the usual poisonous brew of narcissism, entitlement, AGP, and seething hatred of women.

Dude. Just be gay. You're already equipped with the dick-sucking lips, so just unspin the skirt, and be the fag you were meant to be.
Some of them are creeps who get off on tricking straight men, but some of them just…want to be courted? A lot of dudes will fuck them in private but won’t even take them to McDonald’s. Ngl, those posts kinda depress me. Just go be gay instead of carving yourself into a counterfeit.
 
Just go be gay instead of carving yourself into a counterfeit.
Unlike what pooners fetishize, most gay men wanna fuck around and be manwhores as opposed to getting into a real monogamous relationships full of gentle love and comfort.
The irony is if he remained a gay man, he would've had an actual chance at love. But transitioning only condemns you to have the most unstable and selfish people be possible partners. Healthy people don't get with trannies.
 
That thing they do about 'show me a link to prove your claims...no not that kind of link.. a real link from a verified source (one that we approve of) just drives me crazy.
It's annoying the smarmy "I just care about facts and logics" way. No, I'm not going to look for the source for at least half an hour just to prove some internet retard wrong. You either say the source isn't good, nitpick the entire article so you can disqualify it on a spelling mistake, or just stop responding. The best way to deal with sourceniggers is to just ignore them. Anything else just gives them the "uhm, you made the claim sweety, you have to dig through the internet with the useless search engines while I jerk myself off to completion" response.
 
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Another stage in the bamboozle was the sentence "TERFs wouldnt use "biological woman" because they would just call us men". Like... what? It's their biggest catchphrase, besides "adult human female".
The tranny friend was absolutely right, a real TERF would not use "biological woman" because ideally people know what "woman" means (adult human female) and you do not need to add unnecessary qualifiers. All the descriptions like "natal women", "biological women", "cis women" only exist because of tranny word games. So yeah, "biological woman" is actually a tranny dogwhistle and their attempt to get society to accept that "trans women" are just a type of woman and not a type of man.
 
It's annoying the smarmy "I just care about facts and logics" way. No, I'm not going to look for the source for at least half an hour just to prove some internet retard wrong. You either say the source isn't good, nitpick the entire article so you can disqualify it on a spelling mistake, or just stop responding. The best way to deal with sourceniggers is to just ignore them. Anything else just gives them the "uhm, you made the claim sweety, you have to dig through the internet with the useless search engines while I jerk myself off to completion".
*posts article about migrant/troon raping woman*
“LOL DAILYFAIL. WHAT A RAG.”
 
"studies show that for most people, if you confront them with evidence that contradicts one of their beliefs, they will dig their heels in and have more conviction in their beliefs than they had before (they will come up with some reason that the evidence was invalid or insufficient)."

That's unbelievably hypocritical coming from a Redditor.
A hypocrite on some level recognises the disharmony between his beliefs and actions, while the average Redditor is rather engaged in classic, comfortable double-think.

They are frequently capable of understanding a general truth concerning human nature, but remain unable to apply those observations to themselves.

I once had an IRL argument with some Tumblr feminist, whom was spouting the usual (often true!) bits about how "privilege is invisible to those whom have it" and "the loss of privilege feels like oppression".

I asked if she thought she had privilege. "NO!", of course, was her response.
I asked if she felt herself oppressed. "YES!", she replied.

I smiled, walked away and found something better to do.

In any case, to bring this back on-topic, I've found that the most effective means of red-pilling someone against their wishes is to effectively "trick" them into perceiving that which they would not, like slipping bitter medicine into your cat's favourite food. This more specifically involves creating a situation in which they feel compelled to respond to some implied challenge, but cannot, and the simplest means of doing so is good-old-fashioned sarcasm. To invoke two absolute classics:

"It's okay to be white".

"Islam is right about women".


In both cases, they can't simply let be the statement, but nor can they openly challenge it without laying bare the contradictions amongst their beliefs; this simultaneously causes them immense psychological discomfort, as they are forced to recognise that disharmony, while also beclowning them before any audience present.

It's annoying the smarmy "I just care about facts and logics" way. No, I'm not going to look for the source for at least half an hour just to prove some internet retard wrong. You either say the source isn't good, nitpick the entire article so you can disqualify it on a spelling mistake, or just stop responding. The best way to deal with sourceniggers is to just ignore them. Anything else just gives them the "uhm, you made the claim sweety, you have to dig through the internet with the useless search engines while I jerk myself off to completion" response.
Such people have no intention of arguing in good faith; once you've determined that your interlocutor is of such ilk, yes, just go wash your hair or brush the dog or chop up some stewing meat into the slow-cooker, or something.

I used to foolishly attempt to argue with Reddit-brained types too, and I want my time back.
 
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Such people have no intention of arguing in good faith
Postmodernism is a system of argumentation in bad faith devised by very intelligent people.
Troons are part of that program now.


Must share selfie.
Also I learned a new word. :christine:

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Found an interesting post on ftm.
Seems she wants her attraction towards women to be taken seriously, but doesn't really want to be compared to men?

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Trans men into women… Do you relate to cis straight men? self.ftm
submitted 7 hours ago by Cameron_Connor
I’ll do my best to word it. Briefly, I’m a straight trans man, I identified as bisexual for years before coming out as trans, and thought maybe I was a lesbian.
At the beginning of my transition dysphoria was high and I had a very solid stance not agreeing with trans men calling themselves lesbians because I thought it was just internalized transphobia and they couldn’t accept themselves fully as men… bare with me
So I was very much like “no, I’m a straight guy like any cis straight guy is” until lately… I realized how distant I feel from straight cis men. Not 100% but, distant enough. How they talk about women… ugh. Even through songs… I don’t think many cis men understand what it is to long for a woman in a way that is not just sexual, but sensual, romantic… to feel like it’s been forbidden for you and now expressing your love for women feels so freeing and refreshing.
I can relate more to lesbian songs than I do most other romantic songs written by men about women.
I was very dysphoric at the start and thought I hated my genitals… but 3 years later, I don’t anymore. I don’t even think I want to have a d1ck. I was too afraid to admit I want to have sex in ways lesbians do, because i thought that meant I wasn’t as much of a man. But honestly, I do.
Being very specific about trans men and cis women, I think there’s something intimate and powerful about sex that doesn’t involve someone that has a phallus, and I like it.
(Ofc it’s as valid with trans women)
I don’t know how to explain myself, I think I’m in a place where strict labels don’t suffice. I don’t identify as a woman at all, or would want to be one, or want to label myself non binary; I am a guy… but I also like being a guy that is not cis and is into women in a way that feels almost sapphic except I’m not woman-adjacent??????
Ugh it’s such a pain trying to explain it, I don’t want to invalidate myself in the process, but I’m tired of suppressing how much I like the mix of straightness and queerness that *i feel* when thinking about women. (I do not believe other trans men have to feel like this at all, this is just my experience)
I wonder if this is why many trans guys through time have remained identifying as lesbians… because the *social* (fuck biology) differences with cis men are just too broad.
/ i don’t think any trans guy should feel lesser of a man, or having to identify as woman adjacent in any way. Sex and gender are social constructs. /

This questioning has intensified since I had a very hot interaction with a cis queer girl at a party. She knew I was trans… and she liked it. She wasn’t just like “oh I accept it I guess” no it was like… she really liked it.
She was pushing her body against mine knowing perfectly well I didn’t have a dick in there, and that’s what she wanted… and that made me feel so good.
I feel like I want to be with someone who sees me fully as a man and not as a “transitioned girl”
But also sees me as a queer man who loves women and wants to touch and be touched in a non cisheteronormative way.
I like being a trans man with no bottom surgery and I want to be with a woman who not only accepts that, but loves it.
I would LOVE to hear your experiences as trans men who like women, straight or not.
I want to believe I can fully enjoy my manhood and my soft spot for women. Tbh I feel fully as a man, but when it comes to liking women, I don’t relate to some macho casa nova going after women… I can relate more to my younger self feeling like a shy girl getting flustered by the idea of admitting I’m into women and how much that makes my heart beat. I’ve never heard cis men talking about longing women the way lesbians do… most likely it’s not that they are unable to feel it, possibly it’s because they are raised not to actually love women and be vulnerable about it.
So… any guys who can relate?

My best guess is that she and others in the comments want to be seen as men biologically? But not socially because men aren't capable of actually loving women like lesbians do.

subarcwelder [score hidden] 6 hours ago
For arguments sake I’m making generalizations.
I’m straight. There’s definitely a difference between the way I lust after women and the way I crush on women. With cis-men i find they have a hard time figuring out that difference and in turn it makes them view women as not human/something to conquer.
When I lust after women it’s identical to the way cis men do it.
When i crush on women it’s definitely different than the way cis men do. I appreciate women for who they are not what they can do for me - that is the difference.
As for sex, (might be TMI so keep scrolling if you don’t wanna read) i fuck like a cis man with my growth. I don’t use a strap on nor do i have sex in a way that’s similar to lesbian sex. I cannot finish any other way. Nor am I inclined to try it any other way.
I don’t find this way of thinking “sapphic” at all. I’m just a dude with a deeper understanding/appreciation when it comes to women i guess.


camzvium [score hidden] 3 hours ago*
This is so strange to me. It’s not like being romantic or shy around women makes someone’s attraction to them less straight. Cis men don’t need to objectify women they’re attracted to, and queer cis women are capable of objectifying women they’re attracted to, typically if they’re a member of a dominant group (ex white, cis) while their object of attraction isn’t. Edited to note: this dynamic can also happen when the person a woman is attracted to is a man but occupies a similarly socially subordinate position.
It almost seems like benevolent sexism to put queerness on a pedestal like this. There isn’t anything inherently more pure about queer love. The only thing that makes it “powerful” in my mind is that it exists in a world that would rather it not, but queer people are just as capable of having patriarchal biases as anyone else. Not being a cis straight man doesn’t make someone automatically a better person. Queer people just tend to not be able to do as much harm relative to their non-queer counterparts because they’re not the group with the power.

[–]FakeBirdFacts [score hidden] 2 hours ago*
Yeah, came here to say this. I have been on the receiving end of sexual harassment from queer women. There is no difference in the sexual harassment, especially when it’s racial.
People that believe there is this nebulous difference, that they are automatically better than cis straight men in relationships, tend to have issues with consent. They have placed themselves as automatically being morally superior, cast themselves in the light that they could never hurt/harass/abuse people like straight cis men. So when someone says no, someone says that hurt me, they don’t listen.
I’ve had issues where saying “I am not a woman,” and “I am asexual,” were taken to be challenges. That they were up to debate, that they could “make” me a lesbian. I’d definitely say the individuals harassing me were transphobic, but I’ve had this happen to me before and after coming out as trans. That there was an entitlement because I looked masculine and was visually brown, that I needed to be their Butch fantasy.
I’ve talked about this with butches particularly black/brown butches and the fetishization and sexual entitlement is apparently pretty universal, at least along racial lines. Talking about racism in the queer community is like pulling teeth, but it was really upsetting to hear how universal getting groped was.


Dinger814- T 10-31-14 [score hidden] 7 hours ago
Yes! Too many things to agree with you on lol.
I work in a majority male environment and hearing the way cis-men talk about women - I know we don’t relate at all. Especially the lack of real romantic attraction and intimacy towards women. I’ve always known this but it’s become more reinforced and clear to me watching men in the world currently. I am more attracted to lesbian intimacy and sex now than before, but still consider myself straight. It is kind of a head spin when I think about it. I’ve always dated “straight” women, so this change in perspective does make me wonder how I fit into lesbian spaces while keeping my male identity. Bc I want lesbian intimacy and connection too! Totally feel the internal struggle with you. Thanks for putting it into words

[–]cat_in_a_bookstore [score hidden] 6 hours ago
Yeah, honestly this post resonates with me so hard that I don’t even know where to start. I’m bisexual but like, almost entirely attracted to women. I identified as a lesbian before coming out as trans. I say I’m a queer trans man and usually that attracts the right type of women- women who see me as a man but still want to love, date, and fuck queerly.
Also just like… I’m literally a grill dad whose happy place is Ace Hardware and I still have almost nothing in common with most cishet men. I just hate how they talk about women. I’d way rather hang out with lesbians. We just have more in common. My friend says it’s because I’ve been a dyke but I’ve never been a douche lmao.

[–]Dinger814- T 10-31-14 [score hidden] 6 hours ago
I love your username!
And agreed. I like “manly things”, but that doesn’t include objectifying women 😂

[–]cat_in_a_bookstore [score hidden] 6 hours ago
Love yours too! Fucked up that we’re getting downvoted on the first post I can relate to in ages, but I really appreciate your perspective.

[–]Cameron_Connor [score hidden] 5 hours ago
Ohhhh awesome! I’m glad for you! I am wondering about how being openly trans on dating apps could help me find the right type of women (have been stealth for privacy/security reasons)
Haha absolutely! I think that is a trans dudes who are not misogynistic, can be as masculine as possible… but we might not relate to cis men because most have not worked out their misogyny. We know what it is do live it and it’s disgusting. For them it’s like afab people are another species.
HAHAH your friends sound cool

[–]Cameron_Connor [score hidden] 5 hours ago
Daaaamn wanting lesbian intimacy and keeping your male identity hits SOOOO HARD. Like exactly! I crave that intimacy… at the same time, i don’t wanna enter lesbian speces where I’ll be reduced to my AGAB. It’s like eh… maybe bi/pan girls are my best go.

[–]Jovial_Nectarine [score hidden] 4 hours ago
Yeah personally if she's not bi or pan (especially if she isn't pan) I'm not going for it. I don't date straight women.



While some others do acknowledge that men are people too, and not just oppressive animals.
Or simply wanting to have sex like men do out of envy.


AshMendoza1- T: June 4, 2024 [score hidden] an hour ago*
My friend group is mostly all cis men. On rare occasions, we accidentally venture into “group talk therapy” where we bring up real things we think about, worry about, or just want to talk about (as opposed to our usual bickering).
They’ve expressed that they feel pressure from their families about being a man and behaving like one. This includes romance, although it wouldn’t really be considered romance by their families because that’s more of a womanly thing. Pursuing a relationship is closer to pursuing a career in their families eyes, because it needs ambition and courage, and it’s a big commitment that indicates they’re maturing as adults (we’re in our early 20s).
The thing is, these guys don’t like those expectations at all. They’ve expressed that they feel incredibly pressured to have thoughts and emotions that don’t come naturally to them. They said that they’ve felt the love, affection, endearment, and wishful thinking towards their crushes that we normally see coming from women in movies or tv shows. The nerves, the shyness, imagining what it’s like to actually be in a relationship with the person you’re super into because they like similar games or shows as you. The way they described these emotions was essentially the same way I’ve felt towards my crushes, aside from the minor personality differences between all of us. The thing is, they’ve been conditioned to not express those things because of the pressure from their families to act a certain way. I also grew up with a similar pressure and have never felt comfortable expressing my actual emotions in front of anyone else, so everyone in my friend group (myself included) felt similarly. It wasn’t cis vs trans, it was just social conditioning that changed our outward expression of emotions.
Not everyone feels things the same way, but I don’t think it’s a difference between cis men and trans men. Cis men can feel things just as deeply as anyone else, but they’re probably the demographic that feels the most pressure to pretend they don’t feel those things at all, let alone admit that they do.
Edit: I do feel that I should mention for context that these cis male friends of mine are very liberal and generally have a level of introspection that I don’t usually encounter outside of our friend group (which is normal because it would be weird to have these deep conversations with a stranger). We all have really similar opinions and thought processes, and we’ve probably lasted as friends this long because we feel the same way about a lot of stuff, societal expectations included
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[–]earthso [score hidden] 4 hours ago
No not at all. I think you’re being quite stereotypical and reductive about cis men
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[–]shadowsinthestars [score hidden] 3 hours ago
There's nothing wrong at all with how you're feeling and I'm envious of that interaction you had lol. I'd love for a cis woman to be actively into the fact that I'm trans, not just tolerating it, and I get so frustrated when any whiff of that immediately gets labeled as a "chaser".
That said, I do want to have sex like cishet couples, I do think I'm missing piv (not just strap-ons like I did with my ex), and it does actively make me dysphoric. I hate being "other" from cis men so I can't quite relate to you there, and never identified as a lesbian I guess because the gender felt wrong (I also used to default to thinking I was bi, even though I only wanted to have sex with women that whole time). Personally only bottom surgery will fix the sex issue, hopefully, but it took a very long time to stop being in denial about it and actually consider it.
I also think the view of cis women presented in this post is pretty narrow and negative. It might depend on where you live but the cis guys I know aren't "ugh" about women. My form of attraction or whatever you want to call it doesn't feel very different from theirs, so in that way it's not like "me vs cis men". I just have disadvantages compared to them.

All in all from an outsiders perspective to the lgbt community it seems as if the more autistic lesbians don't want to be lesbians, but really want be seen as men either.

 
A man who routinely wears a literal fucking dog collar with a name tag to his local weed shop is unsettled when the clerk clocks him as transgender. It's so disturbing, in fact, that even nearly half a day later he's still dwelling on it, feeling a chill down his spine by knowing just how easily he is identified as a weirdo.
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Why do cis people feel the need to call out trans ppl??

Probably made this sound much more sensationalized in the title than this actually was, but I don’t know how else to word it.
I went to the dispensary today before hanging out with my partner and the budtender was randomly like “idk if this is rude but what are your pronouns”. Me being a constantly anxious mess and not knowing what to say, I answered honestly and they proceeded to ask if I went by a name other than my license and if I wanted to change it in their system. I told them the name but I felt so embarrassed in the moment and I’m still thinking about it nearly 12 hours later.
I was just wearing a hoodie and sweatpants, nothing specifically feminine and I don’t even know how they clocked me tbh (I ‘argue’ with my partner all the time that I don’t think I look like a faggot, but apparently I’m not beating those allegations.) I was wearing one of my dog collars with a tag that has my chose name on it, and I guess that could be a trans marker especially with the transfem puppygirl stereotype (I was puppy before it was mainstream!!!) but I wear a collar all the time and have worn it to that specific dispensary multiple times as well.
I just didn’t like being called out I think; it made me really feel how I am perceived as something different and an outsider even though I’m 98% sure it was their intention to just be inclusive and friendly towards me.

Idk, really hesitant of going back there but I also just completed my punch card that will get me a $1 1/8 if I spend $50.
Made me feel kinda bad and I think the kind old guy who nearly always checks me in might think of me quite differently now as he overheard the whole conversation.
Between two men, love is lost when one half of the pair decides to troon out, and then immediately upon hearing this revelation, the other half declares that 1) it's capital-O over and 2) he's lawyering up first thing in the morning. Supportive commenters offer a shoulder for OP to cry on, with one hopefully asking him if there was any possibility that Mr. OP might change his mind, but OP replies very simply: "Not at all." Trans widows and widowers, take note: this is how it's done!
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Just came out to hubby

Well just came out to hubby and flushed 25 years together. When I told him, he did not take it well and told me he was leaving and calling a lawyer in the am. Not really sure what to say or do. My emotions are all over the map.
She/herlatan: a gayden (i.e., a heterosexual woman) is distraught at the thought she thinks guys are hot purely because as an unmodified little lassie it makes her feel like a fraud to try and court true and honest homosexuals. Posts like these always tempt me to break lurkerdom to tell OP that any man shtupping her and claiming a gay card is probably one of those types that likes to cruise Grindr for easy pooner pussy, but among other Pickle Reddit Commandments, it is vital that you do not touch the specimens behind the glass. (Down-dooting, however, is not only acceptable but encouraged. Down-doot your local Redditard today!)
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being trans and gay feels like a fraud

I recently moved and met a lot of new people who don’t know that I’m trans. I’m still pre-T, but I’ve had my legal documents changed and I pass reasonably well. The people I interact with daily have never questioned me being male.It’s been an incredibly peaceful time. Probably the calmest I’ve felt in years.But I’ve been having a really hard time accepting my attraction to men.Thinking about being with a man makes me feel sick in a way that’s hard to explain. Not because I’m ashamed of liking men, but because I feel like I’m biologically nothing like a man yet. It feels dishonest, like I’m luring men into something they didn’t consent to, even if they’re attracted to me.I can’t even bring myself to say I’m gay. It feels like I’m appropriating something that doesn’t really apply to me (yet). Like I’m a fraud playing a role I haven’t earned.I disclose that I’m trans on my dating profile, but not every person I’ve dated actually saw it, and I don’t know when the “right” moment is to tell someone I’m dating. Too early feels defining and wrong but too late feels deceptive.
So to anyone who can relate:How did you deal with this mentally, especially pre-T or early transition?When did you start feeling like your attraction to men was legitimate and not something shameful or misleading?And how do you personally handle disclosure in dating without feeling like you’re doing something wrong no matter what?
Actually, if you're a fan of TiFujo whinging in particular, enjoy another helping, but keep in mind that this one tries to differentiate herself from her fellow Sisters of the Dysgenic Hockey Yaoi by insisting that she's got real dysphoria, unlike those brainless, fetishistic fakers. Sure, OP also reads boys' love and yaoi and likes to watch two oiled, muscled guys explore each other's bodies with their mouths, but for her it's different and she's the real deal and they're stupid straight girls and why aren't you taking her seriously?!
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Being a gay transsexual sucks

Being transsexual obviously sucks, being gay wouldn't be that bad if homophobia didn't exist, but since that isn't the case it still sucks. I can live with both these things, I am transitioning, starting phallo soon and have started to accept being gay throughout the years.
Yet still I see how that combination is just a really unfortunate one, both of these things heavily impact my relationship with masculinity, being gay also usually impacts my relationship with other men, no matter if I'm attracted to them or not.
And it just feels almost contradictionary, I sometimes wish I was a girl so that I could love men and have them like me back more easily and be in a relationship without judgement. But I can't even imagine myself as a girl, I tried to be a girl once and it ended in 3 suicide attempts (that is a skill issue atp) and tons of substance abuse.
And I also wish I was just not into men, the most I wish that I was just a cissexual and preferably also hetero, no matter if male or female.
But what sucks most is tucutes, it's so infuriating how a few people deciding to appropiate a serious medical condition can mess with your life quality that already isn't that great to begin with.Before I officially was a transmed I already hated how they all were "gay", I mean I'm gay too, homosexual men exist and there's no reason why transsexuals shouldn't also be homosexual in SOME CASES.
This really made it obvious to me that they just play pretend to fulfill their "yaoi" fantasies.And I even like BL tbh, but there's a difference between liking BL because it's an easily accessible form of media and one of the easiest ways to find stories around gay romance. I started reading BL because I liked manga, am gay and wanted to see romance I could relate to or see myself in.
(There are some good ones if you know what to look for, but there's at least twice as many who dont even hide their sole purpose being fetishisation/infantalisation of mlm)But if you decide to "become trans" after reading yaoi smut at 13 years old, with no signs of actual sex dysphoria than that should be a sign for you to stop and reflect on yourself.
It just sucks because I know I'm different to them, I have sex dysphoria, but even just the thought of someone thinking I am like them and enjoy being fucked like a women and then call it gay sex, when in reality I never even had sex, unless you count fingering my then girlfriend that I dated hoping I could just "grow into" liking women, is revolting to me.

There's a few tucutes I know personally who know I am trans because some people can't shut their mouth, before they all tried to locally cancel me for being "transphobic" they'd always act as if we're the same.They have never fallen for a straight guy knowing it wouldn't work out no matter what because he is fundamentally unable to reciprocate that love, they simply date the guy that suddenly "turned bi" and then talk about how they had piv sex and get surprised when he "misgenders" them in front of his friends.
They never experienced any internalized or external homophobia, because they "became trans" solely to "be a gay man" and just look like women. They claim that they love men in a "gay way", and imo liking men in a male way is different in some ways because of social reasons, but they don't pass as male, they don't act like men, they don't get treated as men, they don't want to pass and get treated as male, they just aren't men.

It's also different because of anatomy, but they don't have male anatomy, they don't feel discomfort about their female anatomy, they don't seriously want male anatomy.
They have repeatedly proven that they dont understand anything about actually being male, they are homophobic but won't ever admit it. They are the first to call me a fg over and over again claiming it's just a joke, and I don't have an issue with friends calling me that in an unserious matter on rare occasions, but calling someone a fg and twink in every single interaction and ignoring when they tell you to stop that is just homophobia. The same people will also call me a femboy when I'm wearing a simple T-shirt and jeans while passing as male and ignore when I ask them to stop since it makes me dysphoric. But then they go and act as if they are just like me and understand what dysphoria and being gay feels like.
While at work, a FTM's new coworker mistakes her for a brave and stunning transwomyn, leading them to lay on affirmations of her ladyhood mighty thick lest they be turned into transphobic ash by the flames of a draconic HR manager. The funniest part of this post, however, isn't just OP being read for filth, but this comment where a reassuring brotherlet tells her that "You pass so well that she thought you were born a boy and was trying to be supportive of the small vestiges of your “femaleness.” She saw so much male that she assumed that you needed confidence that there was feminine qualities starting to show." Uh, don't let your Lilithian overlords hear you when you say that kind of shit, okay, doodz?
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This is fucking hopeless

TW: harsh words, dysphoria inducing? Idk how to make proper trigger warnings ngl just tyna follow the rules
Work has ID cards, mine has my male name on it. One of the new hires spotted my card and mistook me for a lady (mtf style) and tried their best to be affirming with me. They exclaimed how I look nothing like a guy, how they assumed I was a girl in the first place, how they "never would have guessed" I was a dude, and offered to call me by a feminized version of my male name. The most painful part of this interaction is I know they didn't have any malicious intent. If they were transphobic then I could accept it as simple ragebait but they were trying their best to cater to me and make me "feel better" and like I was doing a damn good job at transitioning into a woman when in reality I'm tryna head in the other direction.
I'm a little over a year on T with hopefully top surgery on the horizon, even then my chest is quite small so I can get by with a binder but this interaction has brought me to a new low.
All I've done feels fucking pointless. I thought I was making progress I mean, I finally have some muscle definition in my shoulders and arms, I'm quite hairy more than some cis guys at work (still got problems growing a full beard so admittedly I've been shaving the pube-stache), I have an adams apple comin in, my medical practitioner who provides my T perscription has noted that my voice sounds significantly deeper compared to the first appointment. Wtf am I doing wrong? Is it cause I started in my mid 20s? Am I doomed to never pass? I just want to be a normal fucking guy, my absolute dream is being able to go stealth.
I'll still continue my medical transition don't get me wrong, just to gamble on the chance that maybe I'll be able to become cispassing... just starting to wonder if I just lost the genetic lottery and will never have a chance in ever passing.
A deeply depressed dude dreams of being a demure dame, but his friends and loved ones take a pin and pop the balloon of his lunacy by telling him he'd make a hideous chick. However, in spite of this much needed reality check, he still longs to have a body that "reflects (my) inner light", to which I say: buddy, sometimes that "inner light" that you're following is the light of an oncoming train, and the wise thing to do is to get the hell off of the tracks before you get flattened Wile E. Coyote-style.
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My partner said I’ll be less attractive if I transition, I’m shaken and need support

So I've recently come to the realization that I'm trans well I say recently, I've known for a long time but I kinda just stuffed it down and pretended it wasn't there. Long story short I'm finally processing it and I've been talking to my friends and my partner about it and he told me I'd likely get less attractive if I medically transitioned and it honestly shook me to my core.
So I posted my face somewhere I shouldn't have looking for validation only to be met with some incel phrenology hatred disguised as "helpful advice" bullshit. and today has been really terrible. I know what I want, I've known for a long time, I want to live as a woman but I'm afraid of actually becoming less attractive and being ostracized and isolated.

My entire life has been a fight and honestly, I'm tired I just want peace. I want to be held, not consumed, I want to inhabit myself not be treated like some piece of meat. I don't want the person who is supposed to make me feel safe talking about me like they'll value me less if I do something that will better align me with who I am. Today has been nothing but pain and is making me wish I had just not let this finally come to the surface. I was relatively happy before even if I felt like I was piloting a mech suit it was my mech suit and it got me through the day.
Idk I guess I'm just lost and scared and I don't know what to do. I was so excited when I realized I was a woman, everything clicked into place. I knew i wanted to start HRT but as time goes on, I feel more and more like this will destroy my life and I'll still look in the mirror and not see a body that reflects my inner light.
A borderline constantly suicidal tranny is obsessed with all that separates him from the female form, unsure how it is that anyone else can possibly live with themselves knowing that transition is but a lifelong game of mimicry. OP is definitely fucking crazy given that he posts about his body measurements including extremely obscure ones such as his Byzogomatic breadth and inter-pupillary distance, talks about how puberty "raped" him all the time and fantasizes about burning his fingers to the point that his fingerprints are no longer recognizable. Someone check this guy's harddrives, and when you're done, check the harddrives of his relatives, because what the fuck am I reading?
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looking at lily alexandre's, contrapoints's, hazel's, and other more adjusted trans women's online stuff makes me horribly depressed

i could never have a remotely similar attitude to them. puberty raped me and ruined my life.
imagine just posting photos of yourself online, having friends, feeling a sense of community with cissoids on the left. they definitely curate the parts of themselves that they show publicly, but for me making things curated and palatable is just impossible.
if i were to make similarly styled video essays, what would the topics be?
"trans youth need healthcare because puberty makes your neurological body map not match your physical body for the rest of your life no matter how many surgeries you get and subjects you to constant extreme body horror until the day you die"
"the history of diy gender affirming surgeries"
"the psychic burden of having a rapestick"
"how mtf hrt turns you into a cis woman (transsex explained)"
"why helping pre-teens diy is a moral obligation"
"black market diy hrt boosters (patreon exclusive)"
"i saw the tv glow video essay where i start sobbing repeatedly while recording the script"
"the conspiracy against the human race and the ethics of going swimming"
being trans is a life-ruining, debilitating medical curse, and making content centered on it is like being a "cancertuber" vlogging the days until you die. everything was ruined and set in stone the moment puberty came in and mutilated you. what's even the point? why explain yourself or try to be calm and collected and play according to the rules and expectations people have when you're going to be in constant abject despair for the rest of your life anyway?
but it seems they all don't see things in this black and white type of way, which makes me feel like they're just living in a whole other world where dysphoria is a struggle as opposed to constant anguish, and hope and friendship exists and is fulfilling. i wish more than anything else that i could join them, but i can't.
A woman bitterly recounts all of the ways that poisoning herself with testosterone has brought her nothing but misery and pain, her agonies ranging from complete sexual dysfunction to temperature regulation issues to a persistent and inescapable stink that follows her wherever she goes. But because criticism of the holy mana is verboten, she naturally has to make sure other worshipers do not question her faith, so she continues dutifully poisoning herself regardless of consequence.
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I'm so tired of the negative effects of T

Obligatory "not everyone will get these side effects, or get them as bad as I have."
Also obligatory "me being mad my body is in Hell doesn't mean I'm not trans."
I'm so fucking tired of people saying that shit.
Im just so tired of all these adverse effects that so many trans men don't have to deal with or deal with as bad. Or sometimes they do too, sometimes we're suffering together. It fucking sucks regardless.
So many men say T made them more sexually sensitive. It numbed everything down for me extremely. Takes me hours to get anywhere (no other meds interfering, I'm not on antidepressants or anything). I've got very little bottom growth even after 4 years and it doesn't get hard. At all.
Many of us get acne, but I have keratosis pilaris specifically just fucking everywhere and no amount of product, antibiotic, ketoconazole, or exfoliating makes a dent in it. You wanna know what does? Stopping T 🙄
UTIs, vaginal dryness, and spotting that only stops off T.
My body doesnt like to absorb topical estrogen (or topical anything, apparently) so treating it is just not possible.
My hair texture was curly, now its this fuck ass wavy-straight dry as hay bullshit and it gets greasy 2 hours after I shower even when I shampoo twice and have a scalp scrubber. I dont know how it manages to be greasy and dry but it somehow does it. Just like my skin.
My temperature regulation is fucked, and that only started on T. My lower bits cant decide if they want to smell like balls or vagina, and no matter how I wash myself or what I use to do so, I stink after a single half day of inactivity. If I sweat a bit, I'm fucked. I'll just reek no matter what deodorant or body wash or cologne I use.
And I know a lot of this is normal puberty shit, a lot of people will experience it to some extent starting T. But after 4 years, you'd think it'd have calmed down some. But it just keeps getting worse and worse. No temperature regulation, cant have sex, cant masturbate, rough/dry/greasy/bumpy skin constantly breaking out, dry and brittle and greasy hair, different hair texture I cant figure out how to care for, hairloss, no facial hair, barely any body hair, water retention, constant vaginal issues, basically no bottom growth, no getting hard, UTIs, spotting, I stink, my body doesnt want to decide in what way I should stink so I cant find something to fix it, and I cant put on weight. Im trying to build muscle here but no, let me drop to 100lbs and stay there stubbornly when I was an easy 130lbs off T. What the fuck.
And you might be thinking, "oh, maybe your E is still too high." Nope. I thought so too. It wasnt, I got it tested. "Oh, maybe your T is too low." Nope. I've had these problems at every dose I've tried. From T levels at 400ng/dL up to 1300ng/dL. It gets worse with more T. And it's not like I've been rapidly changing my dose either. I changed it 3 times in the course of 4 years trying to figure this out. Nothing works.
And best of all? I still look androgynous. I only pass because of my voice and maybe because I got top surgery. Why am I even on T anymore if it's doing fuck all. It feels like money down the drain and putting my body through hell for nothing.
I wanted the facial hair, the body fat redistribution, smelling like a man, bottom growth, muscle growth, voice changes, body hair, all the normal reasons people go on T. All I got was voice changes and a very minimal amount of stomach hair. What was the fucking point. I could've just voice trained and saved myself so much money and time spent in Hell.
I know T was never going to be a "cure-all" but its so discouraging seeing trans men with clear skin, passing 2 years on T, no hair trouble, no genital trouble, just no trouble, only smooth-sailing. All I've had is trouble. I'm so tired.
Shortbussy: a TiF is affronted by the fact that a friend's gay brother has the audacity not to entertain her pronouns because she seems under the impression that same-sex desire should merit being shackled socially to the tardbabies of the rainbow alphabet. What I found noteworthy about this story is that OP and the brother seemed to be on decent terms up until OP pooned out, indicating to me that he may be sour that the gay solidarity he once enjoyed has now been set ablaze in favor of gender nonsense - which, if OP weren't sporting a smooth brain, she may have concluded is the source of their newfound chafing.
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Cis friend being transphobic

First things first, this is a throwaway account. I don’t think my friend even has Reddit but I’m being safe. This is also mostly just me needing to rant about the situation but any advice for how I should handle it would be great. Also obligatory apology cause this is about to be a long one.
For context I (24 ftm) had lived the majority of my life identifying as a cis bisexual woman. About 2 1/2 years ago I did a lot of self-reflection and started using lesbian/butch to label myself which felt a bit better but still not quite right. Then, few months ago, I finally had my egg crack moment and realized I was a trans man, a bisexual one at that. So far I’ve only told my friends and haven’t started to medically/physically transition or do anything like that aside from wearing a binder.
So, I have this friend (22 M), who I’m going to call Q, who I know because he is the brother of one of my best friends. Q and I weren’t super close or anything for a long time but we would play games together and recently we started to text a decent bit. He is also a cis gay man, so being queer is something we’ve bonded over because a lot of our other friends are straight and we live in a very conservative area. For the most part, we just hang out in person every once in a while and everything is pretty chill.
However, that seemed to change not long before and after I came out as trans. The first instance where I kind of noticed Q being weird about it was before I came out and was still a little in denial about the whole thing I asked him over text the “Button Test” thing: “If you had a button that when you pressed it wouldn’t change anything about your life but would make you have been born as the opposite sex would you press it?” His response was “ew no” and then he immediately asked me “omg do you want to be a boy now or something?” and was sort of making joke out of it. His response wasn’t even really that bad but it made me back out from outright telling him that I thought I was trans and just rubbed the wrong way.
Another thing he did before I came out was shit talk this other trans guy who I didn’t even know. Basically he was texting me about this coworker who used to get on his nerves, he made an offhand comment about how “I guess she’s a dude now” and as he was talking about him he kept calling him “it”.
As far as I know that was not that person’s preferred pronoun and Q was for sure just doing it to be a dick. I told him that he was being weird calling him it but Q brushed it off and the convo pretty much ended there. In hindsight, I probably should have said more to him in that moment but I was afraid he was going to somehow turn it back around on me being trans. At the time I was not in the best place for a convo like that so I just dropped it and didn’t talk to him for a while.
So those two instances made me kind of want to start distancing myself from Q a bit but every time I hang out with his brother he also often tags along. His brother lives far away from Q and I so I don’t get to see him that much so I jump on any opportunity to hang even if that means Q is there. This past time we hung out me, Q, Q’s brother, and another friend were all just chatting when he makes another remark. We were all talking about some of the people we went to high school with and what they’re doing now. This girl (who is as far as I know cis) gets brought up he says something like “well she’s ‘she’ for now” and like kinda laughs. Nobody else says anything or acknowledges him and just kept the convo going. It’s also worth noting that at this point I am out to everyone in this room.
Then, of course, there’s the fact that he keeps referring to me as a lesbian and, though I haven’t heard him do this directly, I’m pretty sure he still uses she/her to refer to me. Now in his defense I did tell my friends that around people I don’t really know I’d prefer they just call me she because I know that I don’t really look like a guy and I don’t feel like explaining my situation to random people all day. That being said, him still calling me a lesbian has been pissing me off, especially cause he does it around his brother and our friends and no one says anything. This makes me also not want to say anything cause I don’t want to be that guy who like makes my life everyone else’s problem and ruins the party or whatever.
I think the thing that’s really getting to me though is HES LITERALLY GAY. How do we both live in this conservative ass place and you choose to be transphobic. He loves to talk shit on all his conservative family members and how stupid their hateful views are but then you turn around and do that same shit to your own community, like girl come on. Being a pick me will not make them hate you any less than they hate me and every other queer person in a 100 mile radius.

Anyway there’s my rant. I’m about one wrong remark from going off on him but any advice on how to deal with this whole thing in a mature way would be much appreciated.
Last but certainly not least: during what was a clearly meant to be a girls' night, a transbian takes umbrage when the ladies and theydies around him dare to mock the powerful and beautiful appendage known as the penis; he only makes things worse for himself when, in an attempt to regain control of the atmosphere, he jokingly refers to vaginas as "girlcock garages" and is met with disgust and awkward laughter. For added amusement, I'm including some selfies from OP so you can see the sort of hulking ogre that would consider calling women's vulvas dicksheaths to be the height of comedy.
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Queer friends making dick jokes

Soooo at a few different parties friends were playing jackbox and I was mostly surrounded by women and afab enbies.
A prompt came up that was something like "A nightmare only god could create" and one of the two answers was "penis". The entire room lit up laughing and it won by a landslide. Then the next time we hung out there was something similar that happened.
I've already felt a little othered being a girlfriend who's been brought into the friend group, but this made it a touch worse. Like I get it, men trend towards being nightmares, but the way people were equating penis to man made me hella dysphoric. I'm sure another trans girl who has bottom dysphoria mightve found the joke funny, but as someone who gets euphoria from my body as it is, it kinda hurt. Like temporary bottom dysphoria, if that makes sense.
I don't know how to bring this up to them because I already feel like an orbiter of the group instead of a member. Sooo I guess the best I can do is drop a vent post.
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If someone already made a post similar to this, you can delete it. Anyways, I was scrolling on my Facebook feed when I saw this them.

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Anyways, meet Jenna Daugthery, A troon who thinks that Transphobia is a Fascist ideology.
 
Bargaining with physiology. :lit:

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Everything I dislike about down there is just my galls hanging around :/ how do other people feel about this and is there a solution besides a very unfortunate and specific accident
Top several comments praise orchiectomy, but get a load of this one further down. :christine:
I feel you. I'm rather indifferent to the penis, but the balls........ Hate them with a passion. Worst part about the penis is the bulge, which can be worked around. THe testicles on the other hand keep pumping what feels like poison into my body AND they cause an even worse bulge issue that won't even go away when not aroused... One of the reasons I tuck way more than is healthy. My gonads should be INSIDE, not in a pouch on the outside..... They should also be producing estrogen, not testosterone....
 
If someone already made a post similar to this, you can delete it. Anyways, I was scrolling on my Facebook feed when I saw this them.

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Anyways, meet Jenna Daugthery, A troon who thinks that Transphobia is a Fascist ideology.
There have been many, many cases of child sex predators (priests, pre-school/primary school teachers, etc) who went through years of education to be able to work in a certain field and thereby more easily gain access to victims. It's a well-known fact among transphobes at this point that AGP trannies get off on bimboifying themselves and are willing to go great lengths just to be able to live out their fetish and invade women's spaces. Yes, he definitely did go through all those surgeries to stalk women and children in bathrooms and it also made him sexually aroused.
 
A man who routinely wears a literal fucking dog collar with a name tag to his local weed shop is unsettled when the clerk clocks him as transgender. It's so disturbing, in fact, that even nearly half a day later he's still dwelling on it, feeling a chill down his spine by knowing just how easily he is identified as a weirdo.
Tiny little things like this form the backbone of the trans genocide narrative. They think that someone knowing that they're trans and mentioning it is oppression because, deep down, they know that they don't pass.
 
Idk, really hesitant of going back there but I also just completed my punch card that will get me a $1 1/8 if I spend $50.
Wow, way to take a huge stand. Fight the power! General strike now!
Made me feel kinda bad and I think the kind old guy who nearly always checks me in might think of me quite differently now as he overheard the whole conversation.
Was he trying to trick the elderly man this entire time? What a creep.
 
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