🤝 Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Jupiter Doughnuts]

Is long covid actually a real disorder? I've been lurking this thread on and off and I still genuinely can't tell. (I almost never hear about it irl)

A bit late to this, but I like the concept of a "wastebasket disorder" for long covid/fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue syndrome. If you go to your doctor and say you're really tired +/- deconditioned/achey/mildly short of breath/coughing a bit, none of the obvious labs come back weird, and you don't admit to depression when questioned, they will put long covid in your chart if you ask. Some portion of these patients may have a real post-viral syndrome, but a massive portion don't, and any research to try to figure out what the post-viral syndrome is is hopeless because the study population is so jacked up. There's also a random smattering of people who are in the early stages of well known real illnesses, but they identified with long covid, so they got diagnosed with it first before their real illness became obvious.

Like most mental illnesses, long covid is more common in bisexuals.

 

[Lawltism2]

lighter in your face and scream about the Screen Actors’ Guild.

Idk if this is a power level and this is going to sound made up but that literally fucking happened to me once.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

"I wish I could work" ... nigga please. Disability malingerers really think throwing this line out every now and then is some kind of expert subterfuge. When they say this with any kind of sincerity, what they actually mean is "I wish I had more money."

The "spiraling because I'm alone" thing comes up a lot, doesn't it? I think we've got our primary motive here folks. Unexceptional child of very busy professional parents, starved for attention, no social circle due to raging personality disorder discovers psychogenic or intentionally faked dramatic medical symptoms are an effective attention getter. This snowballs in the worst way possible into forcing paid caregivers to interact with her at regular intervals if she claims to be unable to feed or toilet herself, and failing that, claiming chest pains and difficulty breathing or energetically flopping on the ground at a strategic moment is always guaranteed to invoke somebody's professional obligation to fuss over her for a brief while.

(I apologize for the drunken retard armchair psych hour, but they usually don't make it quite this easy. It sounds like the majority of people who interact with her IRL and online are very much onto her shit and I won't pretend I'm providing any groundbreaking insight lmao)

One thing I'll say for her is that she must be some kind of prodigy at photography and know her way around all her phone camera's manual settings better than most professionals. How else could you explain all of her selfies having impeccable focus and zero motion blur despite the camera being held by a spastic in the midst of wild, uncontrollable flapping?

IANAD but mental illness is not the same thing as drug intoxication, it doesn’t involve the same mechanisms in the brain, schizophrenics aren’t showing their true and deepest selves when they flick a cigarette lighter in your face and scream about the Screen Actors’ Guild.

It's nuanced to the point that arguing in either direction quickly veers off into unanswerable philosophical questions. I think the person who said that likely considers personality disorders (and other psych labels slapped on moral failings and intractably shitty people) to be "mental illnesses" where it's not outrageous to posit that abusive, maladaptive, parasitic behavior, may very well be the "true and deepest selves" of some individuals - and, at least in some cases, the choice to prioritize one's own hedonistic impulses at everyone else's expense via drug-seeking (or Munchausen's, or similar toxic behavior) is just one part of a pattern. Not a politically correct view in current year and certainly not one most psychiatrists or other doctors would ever cop to having, but I get it.

 

[McSneaks]

It's nuanced to the point that arguing in either direction quickly veers off into unanswerable philosophical questions. I think the person who said that likely considers personality disorders (and other psych labels slapped on moral failings and intractably shitty people) to be "mental illnesses" where it's not outrageous to posit that abusive, maladaptive, parasitic behavior, may very well be the "true and deepest selves" of some individuals - and, at least in some cases, the choice to prioritize one's own hedonistic impulses at everyone else's expense via drug-seeking (or Munchausen's, or similar toxic behavior) is just one part of a pattern. Not a politically correct view in current year and certainly not one most psychiatrists or other doctors would ever cop to having, but I get it.

But then that person is still a fucking idiot because they weren't talking about a "BPD" cunt screaming in your face but a schizophrenic which isn't even remotely close to the same thing. Personality disorders for the most part are just being such big assholes that doctors assume there HAS to be something wrong with you, because what the fuck. That has nothing to do with someone who literally has no idea what is going on with an incredibly broken brain screaming about niggers or whatever reddit is crying about. Following this logic these retards think a schizophrenic cutting dogs open looking for CIA wiretaps or shoving their arm in a woodchipper to get the alien out is the equivalent to some guy drunk dialing his ex crying about wanting her back, both true and honest thoughts uNhIdDeN.

It's always amusing to see the redditor cognitive dissonance trying to believe all women mental illness when confronted with someone saying a banned naughty no no word. Suddenly the mentalz are fake and gay and totally controllable (except being trans of course cuz me identity not no politics or whatever). Like they'll deadass tell you to your face this fat retard who has anorexia and can't use her fingers because of long covid (except when she wants to play the piano then they always work fine) who has to pretend to be a cat is totally valid and definitely real, until she says a racial slur then FUCK OFF that's too far. Insanity

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

It's always amusing to see the redditor cognitive dissonance trying to believe all women mental illness when confronted with someone saying a banned naughty no no word.

The obvious case is Kanye West, and hes a BUHlack man, but his jew sperging and nazi shit during some kind of category 5 bipolar moment (to say nothing of whatever the fuck those fags milo and nick did to him drugs wise) got him blacklisted. Muh Mental health types always crumple in the face of real and nasty mental health issues, if its not 'i feel sad ' anxieties they can't deal with it.
^^ emma jo kennedy above was constantly bouncing back and forth between being a die hard Israel supporter and a true and honest muslima and a trans man, despite her obvious mental issues this got her one of the nastier snark pages I've ever seen. Mental health is only valid when its pretty

 

[Zemblan Physics]

The obvious case is Kanye West

Freddie deBoer has written a great piece about that called Here’s your Kanye West cliff notes.

A choice quote:

This is what has led to the sublimely witless claim “Mental illness doesn’t do that!” It’s become a commonplace on social media. 20 year olds with absolutely no background in psychiatry confidently stare into their front-facing cameras and declare what mental illness can and can’t do. Mental illness can prompt people to cut out their own tongues, to light themselves on fire, to kill their children because they believe that CIA bugs are implanted in their brains, but it can’t prompt ordinary socially disreputable behavior or bigotry, apparently. It’s hard to believe, but very convenient for people who are desperately trying to keep various elements of their personality and politics stitched together without confronting the contradictions.

deBoer is a troubled man, and his unwillingness to challenge trans dogma is perplexing, but his writings on what he calls the gentrification of disability are always very insightful.

 

[RNTard]

gentrification of disability

That is such a good name for what we can all just feel going on, everyone wants the benefits, without the downsides of actually having a disability. The just generally, fat, lazy masses pray to the church of medicine for a divine judgement to decree that their own Sloth, Greed, and Gluttony are not personal failing but the result of ME/CFS, POTS, Long COVID, MCAS, Gastroparesis Et al conditions, so far out of their own control they are none other then helpless victims forced to live a life where all others must bow before them.

The only way we get out of this mess is by rejecting the idea that being mentally ill or having a disability generally is a form of identity category like being Black or a woman or gay; that idea has proven to be ruinous. We have to stop acting like diagnoses are items on an ala carte menu, to pick and choose for the purpose of farming attention and sympathy and to define the self. We have to do whatever we can to reject the notion that disabilities are lovable little quirks that define the self, rather than unfortunate hindrances that we should get rid of if we can or, if we can’t, ameliorate with appropriate policy. And we have to stop demanding that the world fit into our rigid binary beliefs in good and bad, in blameless victims and awful oppressors. The world’s more complicated than that, particularly regarding the broken mind.

 

[It's Never Leprosy]

Aw, Emmy is the new Bee! I do love when they pretend to have developmental issues a la the hand flapping. Seems tptb agree she's an Andi Proskus lite who should be allowed to rot in a group home if she wants to, and Dad being a doctor certainly isn't going to help in her view.

As for the actual Bee, she did community theater, made some friends, got off off the internet and away from her creepy dad and I would hope is working towards real independence. Say what you will, but some of the britbongs do recover...Agony Autie hasn't reappeared since her baby, Tilly is close to 5 months without a hospitalization, Bee got out and got some social support. I'm genuinely hopeful some of them have turned that corner? Maybe?

 

[The Judean People's Front]

As for the actual Bee, she did community theater, made some friends, got off off the internet and away from her creepy dad and I would hope is working towards real independence. Say what you will, but some of the britbongs do recover...Agony Autie hasn't reappeared since her baby, Tilly is close to 5 months without a hospitalization, Bee got out and got some social support. I'm genuinely hopeful some of them have turned that corner? Maybe?

This is partly why I find Emmy/Katrina fascinating. She's 23 and has three conditions that pretty much every doctor would say are treatable with some combo of psych meds and intensive CBT/DBT. She claims that her symptoms started in early 2025 and she was placed in a group home five months ago by a hospital social worker.

I have to wonder here - why is that acceptable? This chick is being warehoused with folks who likely have dementia or Schizophrenia or severe developmental disorders, and here she is with diseases that have treatments, yet Emmy talks about the grief she feels "knowing this is forever."

I'd love to know what happened during those few months she decompensated to the point of needing 24/7 care, but it does appear based on the vid below that she got the wheelchair after a surgery and REALLLLLLLY enjoyed it and the attention it got her. Suddenly she's a cripple on a Christian campus - that had to be a hoot.

Emmy/Katrina posted this last night and it was gone this AM. She can't shower anymore because she has too much male trauma ("Ifykyk") to have help from a male attendant.



I totally get not wanting a new, male caregiver to shower you Katrina, but maybe you should have thought of this before taking up space in a group home instead of doing inpatient DBT or something.

 

[LonesomeDud]

"Oh no, only a male caregiver who is new can shower me!" Walk about 20 feet down the hall and take your clothes off. I can't imagine all group homes have PCTs sitting in the shower room making sure the more capable tards and grannies *really* shower under gunpoint. Same weird control issues as the anorexics, but less disciplined.

 

[Junebuggy]

Idk if this is a power level and this is going to sound made up but that literally fucking happened to me once.

It was actually a reference to Stone-Man-Warrior, whose thread brought me to the Farms (and had a profound impact on me for some reason*). But I think flicking a lighter in strangers’ faces is a pretty common tic of severe, unmedicated schizos, so I believe you.

*Can someone please tell me how to blur text? I would have blurred this parenthetical but looked all over the editor and don’t see it.

 

[Dharma bump]

This is what has led to the sublimely witless claim “Mental illness doesn’t do that!”

One of the police reports about Emma appeared to me on reddit (which I have now lost because I am worse at reddit than KF) and its pretty bleak. Disorganised everything, ash rubbed into bedding, bizarre delusions/AVH, rooms full of cameras, collateral reports of AVH, APS reports.

People who think "mental illness doesnt do that" need to get a grip, take their zoloft (worked first time!) and their "she needs therapy" attitude and get out of the space and take their 200 step self/skin care routines and more favourable social determinants with them. That entire way of understanding is in a different solar system to the experiences of people like Emma and they can't be advocated for in the same way. I dont even think they should be peer workers for people with SMI, but thats a longer rant.

There is very little grace for these people, but watching people's thoughts change, seeing their fixed beliefs soften and delusions begin to crack -seeing people pull their very selves back together after psychosis and reckon with the things that came up during it, well the mental health doesn't make you... crowd have frankly, never had the privilege.

 

[RNTard]

One of the police reports about Emma appeared to me on reddit (which I have now lost because I am worse at reddit than KF) and its pretty bleak. Disorganised everything, ash rubbed into bedding, bizarre delusions/AVH, rooms full of cameras, collateral reports of AVH, APS reports.

here you go Archived reddit post



Looks like Emma texted 911, living conditions were what i expected, I think the doors were removed so Emma could easily roll her wheelchair around the house. This report would be so much better uncensored but Emma is dead, her story is over and it honestly feels disrespectful to keep beating the dead horse, i just want this horrible subreddit to go away.

 

[unwieldy_object]

*Can someone please tell me how to blur text? I would have blurred this parenthetical but looked all over the editor and don’t see it

Here you go

 

[everybody in Portugal]

She recently had a massive freakout because the owner of the group home asked her to clean up her princess room. Naturally this was unacceptable

It's very telling that in those videos the hand flapping stops almost completely for the few seconds that she's got to think about leaning forward off-camera to take a bite of whatever's being proffered to her. Involuntary movements, my arse.

Anyone who has ever suffered from or cares for someone with genuine limb spasticity knows those movements aren't going to stop just because the brain is focused on getting spoon into correct face hole. I've taken more than one hand or foot to the face feeding people in this predicament and had the bruises to show for it.
Diagnosis: she's a big faking faker who fakes, and she should use some of her downtime to take an acting class.

Unexceptional child of very busy professional parents, starved for attention, no social circle due to raging personality disorder discovers psychogenic or intentionally faked dramatic medical symptoms are an effective attention getter

Ding ding ding! You have won today's prize of a selection of tubie covers and a month's worth of Kate Farms vanilla flavour (try it as a contact lens solution!)

 

[The Judean People's Front]

It's very telling that in those videos the hand flapping stops almost completely for the few seconds that she's got to think about leaning forward off-camera to take a bite of whatever's being proffered to her. Involuntary movements, my arse.

I love that detail.

Flappyflappyflap - pause to take bite - flappyflappyflap

I also love her asking for boxes of snack foods from Amazon to keep in her room. Bet she can eat those rice krispies and cookies late at night when no ones around JUST fine.

 

[Smellee Cat]

The obvious case is Kanye West, and hes a BUHlack man, but his jew sperging and nazi shit during some kind of category 5 bipolar moment

The true bipolar high moments I’ve seen ranging from close friends to coworkers:

Friend: renovating a bathroom spontaneous for three days no sleep and not finishing it eight years later.

Vacation where they drank too much and had little sleep. Crashed out mentally in front of her kids, knife to throat - resulted in a Mexican ambulance and a Mexican hospital stay.

Coworker: multiple sick days and no shows for shifts. When “on” was ON IT. Beyond on it.

Bipolar is extremes, from my experience.

 

[Ass Dan]

The true bipolar high moments I’ve seen ranging from close friends to coworkers:

Friend: renovating a bathroom spontaneous for three days no sleep and not finishing it eight years later.

Vacation where they drank too much and had little sleep. Crashed out mentally in front of her kids, knife to throat - resulted in a Mexican ambulance and a Mexican hospital stay.

Coworker: multiple sick days and no shows for shifts. When “on” was ON IT. Beyond on it.

Bipolar is extremes, from my experience.

It's the manic episodes that distinguish bipolar from other mood and depressive disorders. A manic episode is unmistakable.

 

[Jupiter Doughnuts]

Quick rant on the topic of bipolar while we're on the subject:

A decent portion of those with true and honest bipolar will insist that they don't have it and are perfectly fine or just really ADHD this month (despite evidence to the contrary). Meanwhile a decent portion of borderlines, moody teenagers, and people who are just assholes will insist they do have it, and occasionally be given bipolar diagnoses by providers who didn't do a thorough enough history.

There are also subtypes of bipolar with different severities of the upswings. Bipolar 1 is the Kanye-style mania, the sort of type where it's impossible to hold down a job and people impulse buy houses, and if they're lucky they end up in a psych ward before they are bankrupt, fired, and divorced. Untreated, mania often lasts months. Bipolar 2 has hypomania, where it can honestly be an improvement on normal life, or moderate irritability for a few days to weeks. Of course, there's also the depression.

This all leads to a lot of popular misunderstandings of the disorder, where people extrapolate from their experiences with a borderline or bipolar 2 friend to make blanket statements about what the agency of bipolar people during manic episodes is. Or they extrapolate from borderline friends to make blanket statements about what bipolar people are like between episodes. With classic presentations of bipolar 1, people typically have normal months or years between significant episodes pretty often, even unmedicated, and on medication they may go decades between manias. This is very different from untreated BPD.

 

[Breadbear]

The true bipolar high moments I’ve seen ranging from close friends to coworkers:

Friend: renovating a bathroom spontaneous for three days no sleep and not finishing it eight years later.

Vacation where they drank too much and had little sleep. Crashed out mentally in front of her kids, knife to throat - resulted in a Mexican ambulance and a Mexican hospital stay.

Coworker: multiple sick days and no shows for shifts. When “on” was ON IT. Beyond on it.

Bipolar is extremes, from my experience.

I had a neighbor who used a parasol to pole vault over the balcony in his underpants. WHEE (he was fine, landed in the mud and got a grippy socks stay to stabilize his ass).
Usually an alright guy, otherwise.