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H3H3 Podcast Higlights said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJEAcak9pas
Slavery is a tragedy. Without it, America can be nigger free!
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LAC is a shitty historian, in no small part because he’s very clearly just trying to push his own interpretation of the past through his own ideological lens. I know there’s the argument he’s just trying to push back against the errs in the mainstream narrative, but the proper way to do that is to present an accurate, comprehensive picture of the historical evidence, not just do what the mainstream does but with “based” politics. He’s also groyper adjacent which, while not an argument against his merits as a historian, is distasteful.
That being said, looking at the rest of this guys videos and his twitter, he’s also a faggot. Insert the Norm “this might seem harsh” image here.

On the lost cause discourse in particular, the conversation, at least in pop-history, is awful. Both side far too reductionist. It’s either “slavery barely mattered to the Confederates, it’s all about federal overreach and states rights” or “slavery was the sole motivating factor for everyone in the confederacy.” It’s all so tiresome.
 
Smashed & Slamed said:
I wouldn't call the ACW easily avoidable
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I think it’s a fair characterization, in as far as the term means that there were very clear ways to avoid the war. For example, dealing with the slavery issue one and for all at the constitutional convention.

That said, in the sense that the term means “easy to accomplish” or an “easy choice,” you’re absolutely right it wasn’t. Like with my above example, that would almost certainly prevent the ACW. But that’s because most, if not all, of the slave states would have never joined the new union. Which is the exact reason the Founders compromised on it, despite many knowing it would be an issue that needs to be dealt with at some point.
The continued willingness to kick the can down the road despite the obvious problems it presented because of the countervailing interests is imo one of the most interesting parts of the war. It’s a fascinating insight into human psychology.
 
Smashed & Slamed said:
I wouldn't call the ACW easily avoidable. Sure there were actions that seem easy in hindsight to prevent it but this isn't a case of an event triggering it and that event not happening stopping the war.
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Secession was not easily avoidable, yes. Sections of the north and south had both floated secession before 1860 and large segments of the population on both sides of Mason-Dixon viewed it as legal, it was bound to happen at some point.

There was an entire half year between that and the outbreak of hostilities, and a series of incredibly specific actions that happened to result in their outbreak. The War Between the States was entirely avoidable.
Rimanah said:
But that’s because most, if not all, of the slave states would have never joined the new union.
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The stiffest resistance to ratifying the Constitution was in the north, not the south. Massachusetts, New York and New Hampshire ratified it at narrower percentages than Virginia, and Rhode Island was the last holdout to joining the Union, to the point that it took three years and Congress floating the idea of a trade embargo to pressure them into ratifying.

Pushing through an abolitionist clause in the constitution would have tanked the prospect of a union altogether, not just lost the southern states - half the northern states at the time were still slave states, all of them still had slaves, and the slave trade was still an important part of their economy.
 
Computer God Autism said:
Secession was not easily avoidable, yes. Sections of the north and south had both floated secession before 1860 and large segments of the population on both sides of Mason-Dixon viewed it as legal, it was bound to happen at some point.

There was an entire half year between that and the outbreak of hostilities, and a series of incredibly specific actions that happened to result in their outbreak. The War Between the States was entirely avoidable.

The stiffest resistance to ratifying the Constitution was in the north, not the south. Massachusetts, New York and New Hampshire ratified it at narrower percentages than Virginia, and Rhode Island was the last holdout to joining the Union, to the point that it took three years and Congress floating the idea of a trade embargo to pressure them into ratifying.

Pushing through an abolitionist clause in the constitution would have tanked the prospect of a union altogether, not just lost the southern states - half the northern states at the time were still slave states, all of them still had slaves, and the slave trade was still an important part of their economy.
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The real first seeds of the American Civil War were planted at the landings at Jamestown (South) and Plymouth Rock (North), essentially respectfully an agrarian and rural society and an industrialized urban society where slavery would flourish in the former given the warm climate where it'd be easier to grow crops. The irony is even if the South won and broke off from the North, the South would need the North's industrialization while the North would need the South's agricultural supply.
 
Candlelight Desolation said:
The real first seeds of the American Civil War were planted at the landings at Jamestown (South) and Plymouth Rock (North), essentially respectfully an agrarian and rural society and an industrialized urban society where slavery would flourish in the former given the warm climate where it'd be easier to grow crops. The irony is even if the South won and broke off from the North, the South would need the North's industrialization while the North would need the South's agricultural supply.
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I find that argument inane. No nation became poorer for getting rid of slavery, including other Johnny Come Lately's that did it after the Civil War ended. The root of slavery is not economic nor was the root of the civil war just slavery or just economic.
 

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Schizophrenic rambling.

Rimanah said:
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The biggest issue with the Lost Cause is that they literally have no arguments that actually amount to anything.

A stratified aristocratic slave society dragged its people into a war it had little hope of winning on the suspicion that they were progressing slightly towards abolition. The causes are outright stated in their declarations and writings. It was not about federal overreach (they were happy to use the federal govt against abolition). All of this lunacy over something that would probably become unprofitable anyway as the south's soil lost all of its fertility from poor land use.
 
Smashed & Slamed said:
The root of slavery is not economic nor was the root of the civil war just slavery or just economic.
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How would you describe it? The Southern politicians and rich elite who owned plantations saw the momentum for the abolition amendment coming down the pike, and this was in their eyes the first amendment which had anything to do with removing someone's private property. However, nobody among the average soldier besides absolute partisans cared about slaves - the Union soldiers wanted to keep the Union together, and the Confederate troops viewed the war as a second American Revolution. That wouldn't be, say, the son of a plantation owner in South Carolina vs. an abolitionist newspaper editor's son from Pennsylvania or something, or an incredibly Christian white person who opposed menstealers on humanitarian grounds.
Slap47 said:
https://x.com/Cynical_History/status/2003924895281918079
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Schizophrenic rambling.
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>very obviously talking himself into justifying assassinations of moderates

Remember, he's an actual teacher of children now!
 
Slap47 said:

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Schizophrenic rambling.
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I wish I could beam directly into his brain how little value that "PhD" adds to his opinions. A NEET with internet access can mirror his qualification in less time and money, and be far less up their own ass about it. The only way he could be any worse is if he included "Dr" at the start.

He cannot read.

If he wants to do so something decent on history he should kill himself, and then donate his body to Tasting History or Townsends so we can get a grisly episode on the Donner party or something.
 
ATPH said:
Christ how sad do you have to be to be still seething about Charlie Kirk on Christmas fucking eve. Go spend time with family and forget retard politics for a bit. What a pathetic man.
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These people replace everything of value in their life with politics, I sincerely doubt he is capable of meaningfully spending time with his family.
 
Rome's rightful successor said:
Does anyone know what happened to Cody Franklin's brother Tyler? Knowledge husk hasn't posted a video despite everything that has happened since 7 months ago.
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I wish I had an answer but a recent video on PointlessHub (Cody Franklin’s entertainment channel separate from AlternateHistoryHub), Tyler had a brief voice cameo and Cody mentions “my brother” in one aside in almost every video there. I don’t think Tyler’s dead but maybe he’s taking a break/moving away from doing YouTube full-time?

EDIT: video was from 2 weeks ago and has Tyler playing an IRS agent Cody calls to say fuck off too (I swear Cody can jump from being cringe to extremely likeable, so I can't bring myself to hate him). Video linked at specific time:

 
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naaaaiiiiillllll!!! said:
I wish I had an answer but a recent video on PointlessHub (Cody Franklin’s entertainment channel separate from AlternateHistoryHub), Tyler had a brief voice cameo and Cody mentions “my brother” in one aside in almost every video there. I don’t think Tyler’s dead but maybe he’s taking a break/moving away from doing YouTube full-time?

EDIT: video was from 2 weeks ago and has Tyler playing an IRS agent Cody calls to say fuck off too (I swear Cody can jump from being cringe to extremely likeable, so I can't bring myself to hate him). Video linked at specific time:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PXkoLHiv0uw:1398
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Still a better adaptation than the Snow white remake.
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