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Being real for a sec, they are pretty powerful. 35,000 tons, nuclear armed, fucking railguns and frikin laser beams, not to mention all the conventional armaments.
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It will be like the Yamato from the anime, it will have lasers, and nuclear cruise missiles. And a railgun. And hypersonic missile batteries. Perhaps with enough research they will build legs on it like Supreme Commander 2
That's not a really joke post i just read off the wikipedia page.
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That sounds fucking awesome. What is the issue exactly?
Like, I don't get why people say Battleships are outdated. They are if you rely only on them, but if you have Carriers a few Battleships makes sense as good support. And if the issue is nukes then well, a nuke can take out a carrier too. If you are at the point of just lobbying nukes then you might as well just ignore ships and invest on ICBMs and SLBMs only.
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1. It's called the Trump Class.
2. They are calling it a battleship which is causing a tism spasm among the autists that know nothing of modern warfare and think you can never, ever, reinvent a old concept
3. The first one is named USS Defiant, pissing off the Star Trek nerds, and bucking naming convention
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It's certainly not a WWII era Battleship, or even like the Soviet take on it. Looking at the design, it looks like a massive missile boat with defensive armament that's actually suited for taking out drone ships. Plus a railgun would actually be great alternative to conventional weaponry for giving fire support in the current era, which will ALWAYS be needed (especially against a peer with contended airspace IE China).
If these people actually listened to Perun's powerpoint lectures they'd see why these design decisions actually make sense, especially for a potential usurper to the aging ABs who's biggest problem has been a limit on tonnage.
tl;dr bigger boats are coming back, because we have to fit so much shit on them to increase viability for the future.
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The big issue is that you're putting too many eggs in one basket.
In current warfare with drones, cheap missiles, etc, it is imperative that one takes economics into the designs of, everything. For example look at the houthi "blockade" of the bab-al mandab strait. Let's say ali muhmamad launches a drone towards the USS Trumen, it will not get hit, however you are limited on how many missiles your destoryers can carry, your carrier can carry, and how many aircraft you can have on CAP. Not to mention everything you use to shoot it down (Except CIWS which has its own problems) will cost even more then the drone. While that doesn't matter in the case of the houthi's it can be easily scaled up by even a weak economic power such as Iran and don't even mention China.
Now like I said it won't get, however whatever you fire at that is going to drain you of finite resources until you have to pull out. If you were to build say idk 10 cruisers instead you could rotate 5 in 5 out on a much more realist scale and if one does get hit while it is gonna hurt its ulimately 1/10th of your force being unavaible rather than all of it. It's also going to be limited in operations, one ship can only do so much at once (having only limited radar coverage for example).
I will say that a major advantage of a Battleship is shore bombardment is efficent as hell and it might be one of the few platforms to realistically be able to support a lazer weapon at least currently.
Forgot to mention while nukes are basically a win button you can't toss a nuke at every problem without looking like a psycho and getting yourself nuked (or hell even nuked beforehand).
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It's about keeping up with the current tech. Smaller ships can't handle the loads the navy wants. Something battleship sized can
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If I remember correctly, don't the current ABs have limits on the radars they can have because they've actually ran out of space? This extends to basically every system we have getting cut down to fit in old hulls. We're basically left cucking ourselves because nobody actually wants to take the chance to build things that are a bit more expensive, with maybe the only exception being the Fords which are easier to wrap heads and egos around because carriers = big, big carrier = good, ect ect.
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Not just space, but power generation and heat dissipation. The burkes are at the limits of their hulls. A bigger hull gives a lot more room for these new power hungry systems and their generators
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If one more person brings up drones, I'm going to literally blow that person's head off with a 45. This whole idea of drones, drones, drones. You're just going to pilot a drone somehow 2000 miles from your coast without having problems with massive interference on top of mass amounts of jamming technology. The reason it works in Ukraine is because Ukraine and Russia are both broke bitches who can't afford actually. Good jamming technology like the United States.
Someone who works in the Blue Cross field, I'll tell you big. Ass electronical tools of any kind pull out a fuck load of power. Especially. Anything involving. Something that needs to produce heat or any form of signal.
Really, just bring back the actual battleship with its glorious 16 inch guns. Fuck that. Make 25 inch guns. Actually, the Germans had an experimental. 50 inch gun we found, which is kind of impractical, but we should put it on a modernized battleship. You know why? Because the price of a battleship round is literally $1000. Even AGPS guide one is only $100,000, so for the price of one GPS guided. 16 inch shell you can make not even one tenth of a cruise missile.
Held 16 inch guns would make those who thieves think twice. Allahu Akbar until you get. Something that's the equivalent weight of a sedan. Packed with explosives flying into your face.
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Battleships will make a comeback.
We just need to get into space first. Trust me bro.
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It doesn't need to work 2000 miles off shore it needs to be able to cross the panama canal, or Singapore, or tawian strait, or suez, or gibraltar, or on and on. You can't jam every wave (especially if your transiting a canal) nor can you jam a cable.
Drone's aren't impossible to beat, you need a good amount to cause any damage at all, but any damage at all on a carrier or cruiser or even a destroyer is almost always worth it verses say 100 drones.
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I had to tap out when he asked his "Panel of experts" and they are all PNG tubers, Furries, an old ass man. All who can do nothing but seethe, make haha fart noises or trauma dump other shit trumps doing like minting a one dollar coin without congressional approval. Bro the cringe is off the charts.
I don't get these "military" tubers, none look like they ever done a single chin-up let alone serve in any military, being so vehemently against a new piece of tech. I thought new tech was good? Isn't that why they love the f35? Pig said "The reformers won" but this is new battleship, I thought reformers just wanted more like older tech.?
David squeels "wHeRe WiLl dA cReW gO?!?!?!111" then admitted its just a concept and will dramatically change many times before its made. I thought it may use less crew and rely on automated computer systems more or even be like an AI thing but that's probs too optimistic and David "Pozloadmedaddy" Steele would still be angry at that.
I don't get these "military" tubers, none look like they ever done a single chin-up let alone serve in any military, being so vehemently against a new piece of tech. I thought new tech was good? Isn't that why they love the f35? Pig said "The reformers won" but this is new battleship, I thought reformers just wanted more like older tech.?
David squeels "wHeRe WiLl dA cReW gO?!?!?!111" then admitted its just a concept and will dramatically change many times before its made. I thought it may use less crew and rely on automated computer systems more or even be like an AI thing but that's probs too optimistic and David "Pozloadmedaddy" Steele would still be angry at that.
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If we could make this work, which I somewhat doubt, it would be nice to have a warship that isn't a holdover from the Cold War. Rust builds character, but sinking just makes a reef.
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i mean, it likely *is* in large part dick swinging, "look what we can do", but that's what everyone's been doing for years and years. zero reason to make trump the face of it, likely just had a proposal for a "do not fuck with us" project, had his advisors majority approval, signed the sheet and had his name put on it. although the thing about "trump" is that it additionally just works for a lot of shit, because "trump" class also has more connection to trump cards etc. it's much more fitting than a biden class, obama class, bush class, clinton class etc.
realistically from a warfare standpoint it is all about money though, and for most all third world shit holes or jeetified not third world shit holes, you don't need fancy shit, just a big ship that can be an artillery platform with anti air capability or another ship nearby focused on anti air, cruiser nearby for good measure, then just "x;243 y:-341, bombard until noted". battleships will never be outdated because nuclear submarines are essentially the doomsday delivery system, and whoever has better battleship missile delivery systems instantly wins over any shit hole or technology inferior location by doing the pirate cannonball treatment beyond any hope of reach. israel is only able to use cheat codes to stop bombardment because they have a infinite money glitch where they just run out of stuff to do with their fucking budget. additionally, the better ship tech you have, the safer carriers are, which means the safer aircraft delivery is.
although, a majority of all that is fantasy football anyway, because if we equate real life to something like a civilization game, military wise u.s just would win, until a general time frame when the culture scores of muslims/anal sex skyrocketed and we started praising mental illness, immigration, diversity, and opening our ass wide open to any propaganda across the world, so you have troons joining the army, general painting their fingernails, less recruits than ever, and back on the homeland, we have muslim and somali anchor states that we have zero means of doing anything about even if all illegals were deported tomorrow, and muslims publically announcing they can't do shit military wise so they'll just trot on over, maybe tomorrow maybe 10 years take positions, get their boys over here and just choose for them to be under them and they choose their ilk in the future under them, and win that way, which leads to texas, new york, michigan and more by the day already being fucked, not even getting into chinese spies being good to go just by reading "spying for dummies" so no fucking tech even fucking matters.
realistically from a warfare standpoint it is all about money though, and for most all third world shit holes or jeetified not third world shit holes, you don't need fancy shit, just a big ship that can be an artillery platform with anti air capability or another ship nearby focused on anti air, cruiser nearby for good measure, then just "x;243 y:-341, bombard until noted". battleships will never be outdated because nuclear submarines are essentially the doomsday delivery system, and whoever has better battleship missile delivery systems instantly wins over any shit hole or technology inferior location by doing the pirate cannonball treatment beyond any hope of reach. israel is only able to use cheat codes to stop bombardment because they have a infinite money glitch where they just run out of stuff to do with their fucking budget. additionally, the better ship tech you have, the safer carriers are, which means the safer aircraft delivery is.
although, a majority of all that is fantasy football anyway, because if we equate real life to something like a civilization game, military wise u.s just would win, until a general time frame when the culture scores of muslims/anal sex skyrocketed and we started praising mental illness, immigration, diversity, and opening our ass wide open to any propaganda across the world, so you have troons joining the army, general painting their fingernails, less recruits than ever, and back on the homeland, we have muslim and somali anchor states that we have zero means of doing anything about even if all illegals were deported tomorrow, and muslims publically announcing they can't do shit military wise so they'll just trot on over, maybe tomorrow maybe 10 years take positions, get their boys over here and just choose for them to be under them and they choose their ilk in the future under them, and win that way, which leads to texas, new york, michigan and more by the day already being fucked, not even getting into chinese spies being good to go just by reading "spying for dummies" so no fucking tech even fucking matters.
This stupid nigger-faggot tried to dump the failure of the LCS and Constellation Classes onto Trump. Fucking retard, he fired the dipshits responsible and stated in the speech that they were working with the South Koreans to get another class going, along with the Philly shipyards. So that would be three shipyards producing a new, low cost frigate. If the can just keep to good enough that addresses the lower tonnage mass issue.
I think rail guns are cool, but I do not think they are practical unless they can reach 100km in range with a reasonably low cost projectile. Otherwise the spotter drones you will inevitably be using can just be more numerous and have munitions as well. Then you are just back to a carrier concept. I do like the size, namely for a giant AESA array and VLS spam. If the guns do not work out the laser and VLS capacity will make it a great carrier shield. More VLS if the guns get pulled.
It's obviously a test platform for high energy weapons, the rail gun being the biggest stretch, with the hypersonics being tested on the Zumwalt thrown on. Announced specs show it is electrically driven, but nothing yet on whether it is nuclear powered. For energy capacity and range I would say it is required. It certainly isn't a ship-of-the-line, it lacks the weight, so the size is there strictly for room.
The sote voce is that this class of ship, giant and mutli-role, maximizes in utility when operating as a securer of sea lanes. One of these vessels in theory could dump munitions into the Houthis, fight off the incoming missiles/drones, fly recon drone sorties, while serving as a base for special operations to take targets of interest like Iranian spy tankers. While the carrier groups hold done the Pacific. The use of energy weapons and smaller rail gun rounds, they don't need propellant, means it's magazine depth is greater, and the drone hanger means it has role flexibility.
This is an expansion of American power on the sea lanes in a fashion most beneficial for Europe and in typical style these Eurofags and spergs can't say thank you.
And History of Everything is such a fucking retard he couldn't even make a good train sperg video. Put the autistic rant about traction and steam expansion in the bag.
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The irony of this is that old school armored ships (in theory) have better survivability since they're designed around the idea that they will take a hit and need to survive it. The ship's size serves a role in its defense and survivability at that point by being able to disperse important components and increase redundancy.
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I see zero reason for a faggoty lawyer or redditor guntuber (zach) to even give the slightest fuck about a project like this. The lawyer's whinging especially pisses me off due to the fact that any military project ever is a giant moneyhole and suddenly pulling moralist polemics over it shows his agenda of "drumpf bad" and "I am a giant whinging faggot". All of their stupid excuses like "UHM WHERE DOES XYZ GO" "MUH MOTHERFUCKING CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL" "YOU CANT JUST SCALE RAILGUNS UP I AM A WHINGY CRYBABY FAGGOT WAAHHH" shows these people do not enjoy military history and want history to end here and gapesex to win forever because penis sucking in the military is the most important o algo. They need spic niggers and tranny kikes to do everything for them when none of these "people" (cattle) could handle a high stress situation at all.
Digi also needs to go back to his redditor PNGtuber wife with balloon tits because he clearly sounds fucking drunk. Whoever the nameless fat retard sperging is perfectly encapsulates how mind-numbingly retarded they look as well.
Of course every numbers obsessed war thunder player (who is deep down a tranny boomer-libtard who despertaely wants US-Soviet gay nigger world order, see: endless mockery of wheraboos despite them being an extinct species for years) will worship this as the ancient jews did to the golden calf in the old testament. No one is capable of even giving credit to any possibly good aspect of this design because it is drumpf and every autistic gay zoomer/millennial retard will gobble this up like the cattle they are.
I do not understand why anyone takes any of these people seriously. Is it because they are the only ones bothered to actually trudge up sources beyond Wikipedia and war thunder stats?