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[Curry Teafag]

My desktop is power-cycling on its own with no display and USB devices losing power earlier, chat.gpt thinks it's a PSU or motherboard failure and that I need PSU voltage testing and motherboard/GPU POST diagnostics.

Try disconnecting anything that isn't needed for getting the system to boot.

Sometimes, it can be some unsuspecting auxiliary USB or audio panel connected to the mobo causing issues, preventing the system from coming on and booting.

 

[Slav Power]

I just want windows to not search the internet when I'm trying to open "documents" from the start menu

Ah yes, the thing that Windows 10 famously never did, and was only introduced in 11.
That's what I mean. people conveniently forget all the issues 10 has and associate them as something only 11 has and making them seem like a deal breaker, even though 10 had the same issues yet they somehow don't complain about them on 10. Why? Because there isn't a zeitgeist of 10 being shit so all of it's issues are forgiven.

Here's the thing: eventually you'll switch to 11 and you'll forget you were ever bitching about it. Once it's no longer profitable to make ragebait, people will forget and move on. You can deny this all you want but the exact same shit happened with 10 and I vividly fucking remember how most of the complaints people had about 10 are now associated with 11 and everyone says that they'll stay on 10 no matter what. It's fucking pathetic that people are stuck on the same loop for over a decade.

 

[big pauper]

Ah yes, the thing that Windows 10 famously never did, and was only introduced in 11.
That's what I mean. people conveniently forget all the issues 10 has and associate them as something only 11 has and making them seem like a deal breaker, even though 10 had the same issues yet they somehow don't complain about them on 10. Why? Because there isn't a zeitgeist of 10 being shit so all of it's issues are forgiven.

Here's the thing: eventually you'll switch to 11 and you'll forget you were ever bitching about it. Once it's no longer profitable to make ragebait, people will forget and move on. You can deny this all you want but the exact same shit happened with 10 and I vividly fucking remember how most of the complaints people had about 10 are now associated with 11 and everyone says that they'll stay on 10 no matter what. It's fucking pathetic that people are stuck on the same loop for over a decade.

windows 10 had a pretty good reception on launch with the exception of its user interface, which is still worse than 7's in many ways because they didn't commit to one design language. it introduced mac style virtual desktops and a built in antivirus that made third party antivirus complete obsolete (i've never had to remove malware on windows 10). Which are pretty small things that don't particularly matter, and definitely caught microsoft some criticism, but at least 10 did offer new things that 7 didn't.

Windows 11 does not have any new features besides "agentic AI" and an even worse user interface. It seems to be pretty universally maligned because it gives significant performance degradation unless you're using brand new hardware and there's been a lot of issues with windows updates breaking basic features and causing driver issues with graphics cards.

On the most basic level, though? the start button doesn't go in the center of the screen, dude. That's why i'm not switching to windows 11. Why would i use software designed by orangutans dumb enough to do that shit

 

[Curry Teafag]

On the most basic level, though? the start button doesn't go in the center of the screen, dude. That's why i'm not switching to windows 11. Why would i use software designed by orangutans dumb enough to do that shit

You can set it to align left.

 

[Slav Power]

You can set it to align left.

But you're expected not to touch anything in Windows and have everything set perfectly to how you want it. What do you mean, I need to do five mouse clicks to align the taskbar to the left? Literally unusable!

 

[残念。]

Ah yes, the thing that Windows 10 famously never did, and was only introduced in 11.
That's what I mean. people conveniently forget all the issues 10 has and associate them as something only 11 has and making them seem like a deal breaker, even though 10 had the same issues yet they somehow don't complain about them on 10. Why? Because there isn't a zeitgeist of 10 being shit so all of it's issues are forgiven.

Here's the thing: eventually you'll switch to 11 and you'll forget you were ever bitching about it. Once it's no longer profitable to make ragebait, people will forget and move on. You can deny this all you want but the exact same shit happened with 10 and I vividly fucking remember how most of the complaints people had about 10 are now associated with 11 and everyone says that they'll stay on 10 no matter what. It's fucking pathetic that people are stuck on the same loop for over a decade.

Windows 8, 8.1, 10 or 11, doesn't change the fact that's shit you shouldn't have to do. People have been complaining about windows forever, just because 11 is the hot topic doesn't mean all the problems will go away when it dies down. Also windows 10 has degraded over time, it never used to be so annoying with the blue screens telling you to enable cloud services and the search wasn't as bad. It's the exact opposite of what happened with vista where it got better, to the point of just being windows 7 at the end, except this is more like 10 turning into 11 under your nose.

Either way, we're at a point where you gotta fight your computer to make it fuck off, or you gotta fight your computer to make it work depending on the poison you pick, and it sucks.

 

[big pauper]

You can set it to align left.

But you're expected not to touch anything in Windows and have everything set perfectly to how you want it. What do you mean, I need to do five mouse clicks to align the taskbar to the left? Literally unusable!

The w11 start menu just comes off as a cheap novelty tactics to try and make the operating system appear different. if it was part of some kind of design language change or it allowed a new feature to work then it would be a pretty retarded thing to complain about, but it's the most commonly used interface in the entire operating system and it's ugly and visually cluttered for no reason. Plus it's really the only meaningful user-facing change that windows 11 introduced and it sucks.

 

[Curry Teafag]

I'm a power user, so it doesn't really matter since I have so many icons on the taskbar, they will push the start button to the left either way. System tray icons alone take up half the width.
On Win 10, I had two rows of icons. It was much tidier.

 

[Slav Power]

I'm a power user, so it doesn't really matter since I have so many icons on the taskbar, they will push the start button to the left either way. System tray icons alone take up half the width.
On Win 10, I had two rows of icons. It was much tidier.

You might find RetroBar a good alternative. It's very non-intrusive, simply hides the system taskbar and shows it's own that's practically a carbon copy of the Windows 95-Vista era taskbar with appropriate themes to go with. There are a handful of QoL improvement commits in the pipeline like being able to reorder the taskbar icons and the ability to completely hide it with a keyboard shortcut as well, they might get added soon since the repo maintainer started merging various commits. Mainly started using it on 11 to get a simpler taskbar solution but I've since moved to it on 10 as well and made a little custom theme that hides the start button, it's pretty handy. Especially if you use the portable compilation, a single .exe file that you can run or close. Simple, elegant, effective.

 

[Overly Serious]

Here's the thing: eventually you'll switch to 11 and you'll forget you were ever bitching about it. Once it's no longer profitable to make ragebait, people will forget and move on. You can deny this all you want but the exact same shit happened with 10 and I vividly fucking remember how most of the complaints people had about 10 are now associated with 11 and everyone says that they'll stay on 10 no matter what. It's fucking pathetic that people are stuck on the same loop for over a decade.

Because switching isn't without cost and the popular alternatives do or will do the same. But you can only keep pissing people off so long until eventually an alternative does come along and then you see an exodus more rapid than you are prepared for all at once. People on this board probably know my enthusiasm for many things Windows but at the start of this year I switched my primary OS to Debian and used it for nearly a month as my main driver. I decided to move back to Windows for a few reasons and found ways to limit its intrusiveness. But it's getting closer. And if I'm getting close to pissed off enough to ditch Windows I'm sure others are.

It might be observed that as someone pretty technically capable I have options others do not. And that's true but it returns us to my initial point. One day, some Linux distro is going to hit 'good enough' even for the non-technical. Will the frog have been sufficiently boiled by that point that people no longer care to jump? I don't think so. I think people are getting more pissed off with intrusiveness and monitoring, not used to it.

 

[Slav Power]

Because switching isn't without cost and the popular alternatives do or will do the same. But you can only keep pissing people off so long until eventually an alternative does come along and then you see an exodus more rapid than you are prepared for all at once. People on this board probably know my enthusiasm for many things Windows but at the start of this year I switched my primary OS to Debian and used it for nearly a month as my main driver. I decided to move back to Windows for a few reasons and found ways to limit its intrusiveness. But it's getting closer. And if I'm getting close to pissed off enough to ditch Windows I'm sure others are.

It might be observed that as someone pretty technically capable I have options others do not. And that's true but it returns us to my initial point. One day, some Linux distro is going to hit 'good enough' even for the non-technical. Will the frog have been sufficiently boiled by that point that people no longer care to jump? I don't think so. I think people are getting more pissed off with intrusiveness and monitoring, not used to it.

At the same time I do see a trend where Linux is pulling an AMD and doesn't miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. People are pissed at Windows, and yet Linux doesn't try to make itself better, but rather hopes that it'll get traction just because the other option gets worse. That's not how you get users to switch, if you still have issues like Nvidia drivers being iffy on distros because they have their own way of thinking about what you should be installing, or how there's the entire X11 vs Wayland debacle, how so many fundamentals on Linux have went on unfixed for decades and everyone just assumes you're fine with dealing with those issues, how Wine doesn't care about working on the project to the point Valve had to fork it to be able to make Linux a viable option for their hardware, which also connects to the point how the entire Linux community is hellbent on you switching to different software as an excuse for Wine's compatibility not being pushed forward, which besides the fundamentals is another big thing that Linux needs to accomplish to be a viable Windows alternative outside of the two extremes of "complete newbie" and "seasoned neckbeard".

Unless you get a company that gives a shit about making a good product and unfucking Linux, Windows will still stay dominant just because it's still Windows while Linux's community's and developers' egos have completely overtaken the core idea of writing good working software. Note how the two main reasons people don't want to try Linux is because they still believe you need to do everything in the terminal and that it's community is full of annoying twats. The former will be true if the latter will convince someone to use Arch as their first distro since everyone is allergic to recommending Mint as their first contact with desktop Linux.

Basically, people will sooner switch to Mac or smartphones before they consider Linux if the Linux developers and the Linux community won't collectively pull their heads out of their own asses. We shouldn't have two turds to choose from, yet this is the trajectory we're heading at. You either deal with one set of annoying problems or another set of annoying problems, because it seems that somewhere in the 2010's everyone collectively forgot how to write good software.

 

[残念。]

I think people are getting more pissed off with intrusiveness and monitoring, not used to it.

That's my case, Since 7, I went from happily using windows to begrudgingly tolerating it. I've been using mint as my main os for 2 years, only to boot windows for games sometimes. When I first tried ubuntu around 10 years ago, I never thought I would switch, kinda crazy how things change, but I also don't play video games nearly as much as I used to.

Linux has a long way to go if it wants to get big, but I do appreciate that it has become somewhat of an option to a upper tier tech normie such as myself.

For what it's worth, I've been ignoring the x11, wayland, systemd whatever the fuck drama, seems to be working out ok for me. I can turn on my computer and use it without bugging me, that's all I want. Let the turbo autists duke it out, I'll just be over here using my computer.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Yet plenty of people who have revolted have loudly declared that they'd ditch 10 in the name of something else, usually CANADA

Fixed to make it apply to every american grievance.

People have been complaining about windows forever,

People have been complaining about windows for as long as it has existed. Yet here we are. Maybe 3.11 got a pass, it was sort of before the larger internet with a small I.

Windows 11 is... fine, if you know how to wrangle a couple of settings. But that's not always possible, imagine how many enterprise machines are out in the world with users that doesn't even know how to turn off fucking widgets. They have to live like that, so in that way Win11 sucks ass. Plus, why is it showing (on startup) web search results way faster than actual settings or installed applications? Maybe I want to change display settings, press the start button and type it in, hit enter and I Bing up a pajeet guide on MSDN on how to find Display Settings(press the start button and type display settings). That is insane to me, a real step backwards. How can Windows search be so bad?

 

[Slav Power]

users that doesn't even know how to turn off fucking widgets

PEBKAC. Same with the Wearher widget on 10 that people hate, it's two clicks to disable it and people are blind to that fact. A horrifying amount of people don't know that you can customize the taskbar and all it takes is right clicking on it. Now consider that people who rally for Year of Linux Desktop expect the same people to live boot Mint and install it on a machine. Arcane fucking magic to them.

How can Windows search be so bad?

I know this should be off by default, but, again, you can disable a lot of those annoyances from the Settings menu. I'm saying this because people who don't use/don't know how to use Windows keep acting that Microsoft forces this on you with no way for you to disable it, and that if you manage to somehow disable it it'll re-enable everything on update. None of that is true, if anything, Microsoft gives you more customization options than Apple or Google would ever give you. People grossly overestimate how bad Microsoft really is.

 

[The Ugly One]

Yet everyone's been doing so for decades.

Most people do none of that stuff and just use their computers as they come out of the box.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Most people do none of that stuff and just use their computers as they come out of the box.

On work computers there might not be options even if the user is savvy enough.

 

[Overly Serious]

At the same time I do see a trend where Linux is pulling an AMD and doesn't miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. People are pissed at Windows, and yet Linux doesn't try to make itself better, but rather hopes that it'll get traction just because the other option gets worse.

Oh, Linux has been languishing like this for many years. I'd forgive it in the early days because it wasn't meant to be for ordinary users. But post-Ubuntu multiple distros have been trying to be the friendly to non-technical people distro and they're still not there. However...

There's a rising tide, there's a tipping point at which pulling off the friendly distro goes from horrible to 'we can do this'. You go on to list issues like the X11 vs Wayland feud, Nvidia drivers, etc. There are always going to be messy areas. But every year there's an increasing amount of 'working stuff' to draw from. More and more hardware support, more polished DEs. I know on my Debian period earlier in the year it kept popping up messages about Wayland configuration issues which would have been impenetrable to common users but... once I'd fixed that, the system was close to user friendly. Installation was ugly because it didn't recognize my network chips so yes, off I go to download them on another machine, stick them on a USB and put that in as part of my install process but in the scenario where some OEM is bundling Linux with the hardware configuration and installation issues go away. And that's really what is needed. Less of this "Oh, go here, download {distro X}", and some big vendor selling Linux with the hardware. There have been attempts before. Anyone remember, oh what did they call them, "netbooks"? Those ultra low-power mini-laptops. One of the big vendors sold those with Linux on them. It was... okay. Certainly the issue was more the low-power of the hardware more so than Linux. The city of... Munich? tried to switch to Linux over Windows. It was likely as much a gambit to get MS to lower prices as it was to actually use Linux but even back then some significant players were willing to try it. It failed but twenty+ years later, how much more likely to succeed would that attempt be? A lot.

One day there's going to be a critical mass of working Linux crap that the long prophesied "User Friendly Linux" will appear and if you can fucking turn off telemetry many will switch. They'll follow the technical people who will finally be able to tell their parents and friends "use this, it'll just work" without lying.

It may come from abroad. Windows is subject to American hegemony and Russia has its Red Star Linux or whatever it's called. Or maybe that's China. Astra Linux is the Russian one? The USA is currently doing its best to get the rest of the world to switch away from Windows with sanctions and general use of US tech as a weapon.

I mean, much of this is what you said, that "unless you get a company that gives a shit about making a good product and unfucking Linux..." But I think that unless will happen. Is happening.

I'd honestly be pretty happy about it if I saw Linux eating MacOS shares but it only seems to eat into Windows. The greatest enemy of Windows has never been MacOS or Linux. The greatest threat to Windows has always been Microsoft. They're fucking up over and over and throwing away what is, imo, a very good operating system. Stop shoving fucking web searches down my throat, let me be sure telemetry is fully disabled in a way I can actually feel confident in, I'd be happy as fuck.

Windows 11 is... fine, if you know how to wrangle a couple of settings. But that's not always possible, imagine how many enterprise machines are out in the world with users that doesn't even know how to turn off fucking widgets. They have to live like that, so in that way Win11 sucks ass. Plus, why is it showing (on startup) web search results way faster than actual settings or installed applications? Maybe I want to change display settings, press the start button and type it in, hit enter and I Bing up a pajeet guide on MSDN on how to find Display Settings(press the start button and type display settings). That is insane to me, a real step backwards. How can Windows search be so bad?

I have seen Start menu literally just sit there with a spinning circle and I'm 90% confident that the reason was because there wasn't a network connection at the time. It. Is. Fucked.

I really need to look into alternate tools at this point - a different file explorer, a different start menu. It sucks but there it is.

because it seems that somewhere in the 2010's everyone collectively forgot how to write good software.

They didn't forget, so much as software development became less driven by engineers and more driven by managers. Why are Windows apps now apparently ReactOS? Why is every second application you're pushed to install a fucking Electron app? Because people forgot how to code natively? Not exactly. Managers wanted engineers to be replaceable cogs. They want to be able to onboard some web-dev and throw him or her into the dev team, show them the sprint board and say "work on this ticket". And if everything is a fucking web app, they can. And you can standardise your devops pipeline, you can reduce testing. They haven't forgotten, they've made it less of a priority over replaceability and fast Agile-driven code development. The huge leaps we've made in hardware power have been a huge boon. Not to users who find programs the same speed or even slower. No, it's been a boost to managers who find that it enables coding practices that are less dependent on some dude who has been there fifteen years and dreams in C.

 

[Slav Power]

Why are Windows apps now apparently ReactOS?

Not ReactOS. React. Win11's UI is written in JavaScript. Written by H-1B Indians.

 

[The Ugly One]

A Linux-based exploitation of Microsoft's Windows missteps would look something like Android. A megacorp would take the Linux kernel, throw the entire DE in the trash can, and build an environment on top of the Linux kernel that they wholly control. No Wayland, no X11, none of that. Linux nerds will refuse to accept it as a "real" Linux.

 

[残念。]

Installation was ugly because it didn't recognize my network chips so yes, off I go to download them on another machine, stick them on a USB and put that in as part of my install process

Windows does this too. Last time I upgraded my motherboard it couldn't figure out what my onboard wifi was. I've also had it happen on older versions when dicking around PCs, etc. I think that's just a potential issue any time you're messing with non oem stuff.