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Should be a wild four years.

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SpergioLeonne said:
It’s taking too much credit to phrase it as high mindedly as that.

They killed someone like us. Maybe not exactly like us, but someone who thinks 80% or more the way we think, and they killed him for thinking that way.

It was a declaration of war, and a threat that feels personal
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I mean that's what I'm getting at. Charlie was normal for a lot of people. These new guys aren't. It scared people, and now there is uncertainty of where we should go now that it seems the talking is over.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
They don't want to continue where Charlie left off. They want to enforce their own ideology. It's why it feels so off. These niggers broke Sektur containment and are bleeding into the normie sphere.
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Yeah but what I mean is by taking Charlie's spot they aren't necessarily taking the good aspects about him, I mean they are all trying to be the new mainstream voice of the right.
None of these people deserve it. Out of all of them Tim Pool offends me the least and I think even he would agree he's no Charlie Kirk.
 
Lip Glossary said:
Yeah but what I mean is by taking Charlie's spot they aren't necessarily taking the good aspects about him, I mean they are all trying to be the new mainstream voice of the right.
None of these people deserve it. Out of all of them Tim Pool offends me the least and I think even he would agree he's no Charlie Kirk.
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It's Internet Bloodsports all over again, with everyone vying for the top spot immediately post Gamergate. There is no other way to describe this behavior. All of them are experienced in this backstabbing; they were there at GG.
 
SpergioLeonne said:
I’m going to be honest, here

My life and especially my politics were never in any way affected by Charlie Kirk. I just tended to like him because he was effective and I mostly agreed with him
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I didn't follow Charlie at all though I vaguely knew about him because he was on Tucker and Newsom's podcast.

But I found I was surprisingly emotionally impacted by his assassination even though if he'd died in a car accident I would have said "oh that's sad" and moved on.

Why? For one I saw the video of it initially from an angle where I'd hoped he could maybe survive, and then again knowing there was no real way.

But the largest part was simply that he was shot for having pretty basic, albeit well thought out and reasoned, takes that aren't that different than my own and certainly less 'extreme' than my own views.

Then I saw people cheering it on. Not just rabid left strangers, I saw people I knew personally saying "well nobody should be shot but he was kind of asking for it don't you think?"
People I thought were a bit stupid and ignorant, sure, but not malicious people. People I've known for a long time. It turned my stomach to realize no these people aren't just joking about hating conservatives they genuinely want them dead for having different opinions.

It was a realization that simultaneously shocked and disgusted me. I hadn't considered it (except for those on the far extreme fringes of the left who are worthless leeches and spastic anyway) because it's so alien to me. Sure hate illegals and want them deported, sure hate people who want the country to be turned into a communist shithole and want them out of power and shamed, but to cheer on a public assassination and laugh at and mock his remaining family and friends?

Again, this is the big point for me, it wasn't even like he was a Westboro Baptist church leader going to funerals and saying God hates fags. He had his viewpoints and he expressed them with sympathy and general kindness and genuinely listened to people as far as I could tell (I've watched a decent amount of his content since he was murdered). His views weren't that weird, his methods were peaceful, he wasnt doing anything destructive but according to many he deserved to die. This is also apparently an opinion of some people I know well. And if him, then why not me? Why not anyone with similar views? Anyone who isn't willing to felate illegals and let trannies get hold of taxpayer money for their mutilation and kids to permanently fuck up deserves to eat a bullet to a pretty sizeable chunk of every day leftists from teachers to social workers to coworkers to reporters to politicians. This is a normal opinion to have now.

So yes it affected me. It wasn't because Kirk was a celebrity, I barely knew of who he was, it was because of the reason he was killed and the reasons people justified it. It revealed an evil I would have dismissed otherwise.

Probably sounds melodramatic and this post is way too fucking long but it really soured me and made me want trump and Vance to ignore all these faggots and get shit done. The best revenge is making America great for those who still love it.
 
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Lip Glossary said:
Yeah but what I mean is by taking Charlie's spot they aren't necessarily taking the good aspects about him, I mean they are all trying to be the new mainstream voice of the right.
None of these people deserve it. Out of all of them Tim Pool offends me the least and I think even he would agree he's no Charlie Kirk.
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I hadn't quite realized before he died the amount of voter registration TPUSA did, what a useful machine it was for bringing young people into the broader Republican apparatus. Truly replacing him would require someone who can appeal to young people while still being corporation-safe and not scaring the hoes and I don't think they can just snap their fingers and make that happen. I notice that most of the names people float as inheritors of his legacy are pundits, not activists.

Is it worth bringing young people into the Republican apparatus is a separate question. Fuentes thinks not really; and dissidents in general these days seem totally fed up with the unwillingness of the Republican legislature they voted for to give them any wins. Like what's the point of electing these people and getting nothing for it other than what Trump can do by executive order. But if you feel that way, it implies that we'll either need a new party (Herculean task, splits the vote, likely to fail just like the Libertarian party), an insurgency within the Republican party (will take many electoral cycles and depends on dissidents actually being a majority, which I'm not sure about), or a violent overthrow of the system (which requires organization and skills that I'm not sure exist on the dissident right).
 
deleuzeon said:
Truly replacing him would require someone who can appeal to young people while still being corporation-safe and not scaring the hoes and I don't think they can just snap their fingers and make that happen.
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Yeah instead of that you get Ian Carrol to just ask some questions man, timed alongside massie, Paul and mtg going full retard.

It all feels fake and gay
 
JustSomeDong said:
B-B-B-BUT MUH CERTS
Most shitlibs really get off on flaunting their shitlib diplomas/qualifications. It means you have to respect their authoritah, donchaknow? They are, after all, your betters, with the humanities degree to prove it!

But I guess shitlib welders are a thing, too.
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You should see them when they ask where I went to school to learn how to work on my old cars (since they’re cool) and I tell them I have those cars and work on them because I grew up poor. It’s like I have two heads or something, but if I wanted to go to work, I needed a car, but I couldn’t afford anything but a beater, then it’d break and I didn’t have money to take it to a mechanic, so I’d figure out how to fix it and so on.

For the record though, I’m an air conditioner guy like @FieldPiece and some of that stuff from trade school carries over like relay logic and fixing semi-hermetic compressors, but it only helps so much.

Btw Fieldpiece, R-12 bong rips are better. If you overdose on 410a, it could blow out your eyeballs when the head pressure spikes to retard levels.
 
Amelia Troonheart said:
But the largest part was simply that he was shot for having pretty basic, albeit well thought out and reasoned, takes that aren't that different than my own and certainly less 'extreme' than my own views.
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It wasn't his takes that drew the ire of the skitzo leftists. It was the under the MSM radar work TPUSA was doing that progressives seethed at. The voting efforts. The propaganda TPUSA puts out aimed at youth. The funding of various legislative and grass roots efforts that went counter to the (unachievable) utopian, socialist, tranny society goal progressives have. The ones that they'd been beating the drum of violence over for the last several years.

Kirk was the figure head of all this. It wasn't personal. It was everything TPUSA was doing outside of Kirk's speeches that terrified Trannies and leftists. IMO, The people gravedancing (whatever constituted that around here) were celebrating more of TPUSA's head getting cut off and what they believe that will do to nerf TPUSA's political influence rather than personally saying the guy deserved it.

Most were just too mongoloid to express this clearly because in today's world, there is no nuance or shades. Because you're right. Kirk's takes were pretty milqutoast compared to far right figureheads.

Personally, I think the damage done to mainstream America having Kirk's assassination in 4K gore burned into their eyeballs is irredeemable.
 
deleuzeon said:
Truly replacing him
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You don't replace a martyr, that's the problen with the Right's angle on this. You carry on and make sure everyone sees photos of him and are reminded of what happened and who did it and why, until the end of time MLK style. Anyone claiming to take up his mantle is missing the point. I didn't care one way or the other about the guy but my first text to a friend about it was "why him and not someone like Nick Fuentes?" and since then I've learned more about Charlie and grown to really appreciate him. That's the point of a martyr.

I just knew Charlie Kirk as the dweeb who told college students that there are people who exist who think abortion is murder. I did that once and my friend's girlfriend blew up and went into a diatribe about Emmitt Till for no reason. So it was relatable, to me at least. But I'm sure so many people have had incidents where they calmly, non-confrontationally just bring up other viewpoints and were screamed at. Or even when they don't, Hell, the Sunday before he got shot I was invited last minute to play an RPG on Discord with a couple of people I knew and a couple of women who signed up randomly. One of them kept talking over everybody and when I finally got to do something she said she'd hurt me in real life if I did a particular thing. I left, and a few days later when he got shot I thought, "oh right, people on Discord are just looking for excuses for violence."
 
SOLDIER OF WALES said:
Antifa has been labeled as a terrorist org. These things take time. By the end of these 4 years I think the countries going to look alot better than the end of Bidens term.
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They just need to be locked up and shut down before year 4 of this presidency because they are going to try and do nigger floyd riots leading up to the election again.
All the gay bullshit they're doing now is leading up to endless impeachments and more nigger floyd riots. Being reactionary towards leftists restarting the riots is a massive failure in my eyes. It'd be like a school shooter being on the FBI's radar.

If they can't FBI raid domestic Antifa like how the Jan6'ers were rounded up they can at least prevent funding from getting into the US to support them along with preventing European Antifa from coming in. The most violent and ready to riot are the ones coming in from Europe and the UK has been sending us jihadi "students."
 
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WelperHelper99 said:
I think it's just the fact he was shot for speaking is what has hurt a lot of people. Now you have this power vacuum with people like Nick the Spic trying to take Charlie's spot. It's a long term issue, even if it didn't affect (you) personally at the moment.
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Mostly right there, just missing what i think is the key point. Charlie was killed for being an extremist, they celebrated him getting killed because he was a far right nazi to them. This milquetoast dude was to the left of most of us chronic online right wingers. They killed him in front of his family, and celebrated it. If they can do this to him, if they can label him some far right nazi and cheer him dying, what the fuck would they do to us?

was about 2 weeks there that the right was absolutely united, we were people fired for celebrating, we were doxing people even getting close to making light of it. but that all faded away now. Now some furry troon faggot got arrested and charged, and the jeet FBI director said case closed, he worked alone. And nothing more was done, nothing else seems to be happening. But hey, ericka was on fox news yesterday, shilling her dead husband's book. just a tad under 3 months to the day he was killed.
 
Sammich said:
here's something we can actually agree on, this generational discourse is just silly.
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This right here.

Why don’t we recognize what a profound problem it is in our society that we can’t stratify ourselves based on extended families (because we didn’t maintain those ties) or regional loyalty (because most of our families moved around like tumbleweeds) ?

Much easier to come at each other for being stooges who conform to whatever the mass media told you to do, since it was always lies, always empty distractions, always destructive.
 
Rick's Beef Wellington said:
You don't replace a martyr, that's the problen with the Right's angle on this.
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The people angling to replace Kirk just see money. The entire Griftosphere is fighting for a piece of it. None of these people really believe in anything they're just character-acting. That's the core problem with both sides at the moment: all of the spokespeople are frauds.
 
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