GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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Betonhaus said:
I still think selling GPUs with upgradeable RAM would be a killer market.
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with compression attached memory modules on the backplate like those graphics cards with NVME slots on the back, it should work in theory. but i don't know if anybody has ever used gddr in a a CAMM form factor or if it would require significant engineering to get working. it would be a cool and desireable change as long as the memory modules dont cost a fortune
 
Betonhaus said:
I still think selling GPUs with upgradeable RAM would be a killer market.
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My first PC's graphics card hat four socketed DRAMs 512 KiB each that you could just pull out from their sockets and put into the free DRAM sockets on your soundcard. I once did that with two of them, only needed to lower the desktop color depth from 32 to 16 bits.
 
Betonhaus said:
I still think selling GPUs with upgradeable RAM would be a killer market.
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We will be fucked on that, always. But here is a crumb of hopium to disappoint you:

Nvidia, SK Hynix, Samsung and Micron reportedly working on new SOCAMM memory standard for AI PCs
The new standard is also reported to possess a 'detachable' module, which may offer easy upgradability further down the line. When combined with its small hardware footprint (which SEDaily reports is around the size of adult's middle finger), it is smaller than traditional DRAM modules, which could potentially enhance total capacity.

Finer details about SOCAMM are still firmly shrouded in mystery, as Nvidia appears to be developing the standard without any input from the Joint Electron Device Engineering council (JEDEC).
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Betonhaus said:
I still think selling GPUs with upgradeable RAM would be a killer market.
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SOCAMM is for enterprise only, you only get soldered 8GB.

More specifically, the pragmatic reason you solder memory, especially in GPU's, is reducing the path distance for signal stability at ridiculous speeds GPU memory runs at. It's also why some DDR5 AMD laptops are soldered only. DIMM is old, inefficient and slow, and DDR5 is pushing speeds that need some serious fuckery to keep stable on DIMM. CAMM solves this, but I only ever heard of one ThinkPad P series that used LPCAMM and AFAIK Nvidia uses SOCAMM in servers, so don't expect them giving you a product that'll last years anytime soon. It's Nvidia.
 
If you didn't prepare for the upcoming price increases and don't do so even now with current holiday pricing, you're an idiot.
 
umseriously said:
If you didn't prepare for the upcoming price increases and don't do so even now with current holiday pricing, you're an idiot.
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I think it's too late, looking at the prices now. The RAM I have in my PC right now would cost around £799 in Bongland Bucks. I can't be bothered going back and looking up how much I paid for it at the time but I'm pretty certain if it were that much I'd have remembered!

At this point if it's for hobby/enthusiast purposes might just be best riding it out. If you actually need it then, yeah - you're a little bit fucked already.
 
Overly Serious said:
I think it's too late, looking at the prices now. The RAM I have in my PC right now would cost around £799 in Bongland Bucks. I can't be bothered going back and looking up how much I paid for it at the time but I'm pretty certain if it were that much I'd have remembered!

At this point if it's for hobby/enthusiast purposes might just be best riding it out. If you actually need it then, yeah - you're a little bit fucked already.
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There may still be a few opportunities left for getting ram at affordable prices, but I'm sure they're very difficult to find. You would need to take advantage of people or dealers who are unaware of what's going on.
 
umseriously said:
There may still be a few opportunities left for getting ram at affordable prices, but I'm sure they're very difficult to find. You would need to take advantage of people or dealers who are unaware of what's going on.
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Maybe now might be a good time to try and sell my old PC. It's just sitting there. It's out of date but is a good workhorse and iirc, has about 64GB RAM. Still a GPU of your choice in it and you've got a system capable of a lot of modern tasks.
 
Overly Serious said:
I think it's too late, looking at the prices now. The RAM I have in my PC right now would cost around £799 in Bongland Bucks. I can't be bothered going back and looking up how much I paid for it at the time but I'm pretty certain if it were that much I'd have remembered!

At this point if it's for hobby/enthusiast purposes might just be best riding it out. If you actually need it then, yeah - you're a little bit fucked already.
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Around this time last year I bought a 2x32GB Corsair or Kingston kit for €120 or close to that just because it was a good price and I was thinking of upgrading from 32GB. It's still unopened. Costs something like €420 now.
When I finally get around to swapping sticks I'll sell the ones I have for €60... Because that's a fair price considering what I paid for it initially.
 
I picked up an old PC with 2x8GB DDR4 UDIMMs a little while ago for about $85, nothing special at all. It would be funny if the old RAM in it became worth the full price.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
I don't think the additional clock speed matters too much, since the avg gaming uplift should be less. But maybe it drops at $500 and forces 9800X3D pricing down to the $400-450 range. That'd be reason enough to wait. We might see good CPU deals because of bad RAM pricing tanking DIY demand.
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OC3D has confirmed, via industry sources, that AMD has informed its partners of a new price increase for its products... This price increase affects both Ryzen 9000-series processors and AMD’s older products.

Unlucky.
 
Aborted Drink Combo said:
OC3D has confirmed, via industry sources, that AMD has informed its partners of a new price increase for its products... This price increase affects both Ryzen 9000-series processors and AMD’s older products.

Unlucky.
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AMD Reportedly Preps CPU Price Hike Affecting Ryzen 9000 & Older Chips, Going Under Affect Tonight
Sure, for GPUs, the rising DRAM costs owing to poor supply make sense, but for CPUs, it doesn't make any sense since they don't feature any DRAM or NAND chips onboard the interposer. But what could lead to the price hikes is probably a shortage of wafers since the higher demand from the AI segment can lead to wafers being prioritized for AI chips instead of consumers.
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That's bizarre! But:

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, The Best Gaming CPU On The Planet, Is Now Available At Its Lowest Price of $399
Micro Center chads can dive on it now, otherwise if you're cool with $450, consider it.
(The 9800X3D's November 2024 MSRP was $479. Yikes.)
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BORRBce5TGwhttps://preservetube.com/watch?v=BORRBce5TGw
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This is an article version of that video:

Moore's Law is Dead: Sam Altman’s Dirty DRAM Deal (archive) (ghost) (mega) (wayback)

The funniest (for me) outcome of the memory situation would be game engines, including Unreal Engine 5, rapidly adopting "neural texture compression" support, resulting in less VRAM usage... with modern cards that have enough AI/tensor/XMX cores. And then the plebs happily gobble up the 8 GB graphics cards again, since they can now run the latest titles way better than they could a year or two earlier.

VRAM-friendly neural texture compression inches closer to reality — enthusiast shows massive compression benefits with Nvidia and Intel demos
To enable neural rendering features like these, Nvidia, Microsoft, and other vendors have worked together to create a DirectX feature called Cooperative Vectors that gives developers fine-grained access to the matrix acceleration engines in modern Nvidia, Intel, and AMD GPUs. (Nvidia calls these Tensor Cores, Intel calls them XMX engines, and AMD calls them AI Accelerators).

NTC hasn't appeared in a shipping game yet, but the pieces are coming together.
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Nvidia's demo shows the benefits of NTC for VRAM usage. Uncompressed, the textures for the flight helmet in this demo occupy 272 MB. Block compression reduces that to 98 MB, but NTC provides a further dramatic reduction to 11.37 MB.

As with Intel's dinosaur demo, there's a small computational cost to enabling NTC, but that tradeoff seems well worth it in exchange for the more efficient usage of fixed resources that the technique enables.
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