TED Entertainment Inc. v. Alexandra Marwa Saber, Morgan Kamal Majed, and Kasey Caviness, California 2:25-cv-5564, 2:25-cv-5565,Missouri 4:25-cv-459 - Ethan Klein Suing three women and 10 redditors for Copyright Infringement.

[Gobermental Supervisor]

She doesn't have that money and her lawyers and experts are not going to do it for free. Also not only will she end up owing Ethan's fees if she loses, the context makes it clear it was an entirely intentional infringement with the purpose of doing Ethan harm. Hence, the judgment will not even be dischargeable in bankruptcy.

If this goes to trial, she is under the Balldo of Damocles for the rest of her life. She should govern herself accordingly.

A merciful part of me hopes her lawyers tell her exactly what you wrote.
Settle now, do whatever he wants, lick his jewish balls, gargle his armpit hair, play sign monkey at an intersection advertising Teddy Fresh, just get out of the lawsuit before the actual trial.

 

[DragoonSierra]

A merciful part of me hopes her lawyers tell her exactly what you wrote.
Settle now, do whatever he wants, lick his jewish balls, gargle his armpit hair, play sign monkey at an intersection advertising Teddy Fresh, just get out of the lawsuit before the actual trial.

They'll get that GoFundMe money before they tell her that though

 

[Potentially Criminal]

Then what reasons could there be for no filings at all

She missed the deadline by nearly 2 month now, yet no further filings? They came to an agreement and are keeping it under wraps for now? How would that work in the confines of the lawsuit process with deadlines?

[EDIT] I am not disagreeing, I am asking out of curiosity what you think could be an explanation for no documents being submitted at all. If she missed the filing date, I would have expected a motion for summary judgement, yet there is nothing.

Technically you havent missed a deadline until the opposing side enforces it.

Presumably she's working or cooperating behind the scenes with Ethan, but I agree that it's weird that we've gone two months past the window for an answer and nothing has happened one way or another.

You are correct that when you're playing hardnosed (and even normal attorneys) you wouldn't wait this long to file for default.

 

[MrMM]

How the hell did she spent 54k in 6 months on legal fees? As expensive as lawsuits are, there is no way in hell she spent as much...

I'm trying so hard to not PL too much but this made me laugh, given how much legal fees I probably racked up for my company and through opposing counsel in meetings today.

I could totally see a world where her lawyers charging, who knows, $400-800 an hour or something, looked at her gofundme and treated it as a clear tap of liquidity for legal work that they wouldn't otherwise do. With them trying to find that edge copyright case that gives the "smoking weed over content is transformative because-memes" defense.

As long as her lawyers get paid first (out of her gofundme), they dont really need to worry about her liquidity or solvency when she ultimately loses (that would never be litigated to completion as a fraudulent transfer). So might as well rack up the bills now, rather than later when you're a competing interest as an unsecured creditor when Ethan wins. Kaceytron is too high to know the difference.

This is not legal advice, I'm not your lawyer Kaceytron if you see this, but your optimal play was probably to settle for $150k immediately. Then declare bankruptcy, and look for a bankruptcy court to shave off the amount Ethan will get, and institute a payment plan. Basically everything else seems like delaying the inevitable, unless Ethan decides to give you grace and provide an out that doesn't require that outcome. But I doubt it, given how you've behaved and the broader niche cultural nonsense at play here.

And this is, in part, because Kaceytron's "fair use" defenses are so-so-so much weaker than Denims/Frogan, based on the facts as I observed them. Good lord Kaceytron, just settle and declare bankruptcy. Individual bankruptcies in middle america are very generous to the debtor -- you'll be okay (again, not legal advice). Just do it. Bankruptcy isn't the end of the world for people as destitute as you are. It's okay to avail yourself of the generosities of our bankruptcy systems -- they're there to protect the people, even when it is unjust, and you should have known and acted better. As a society, we created a framework that allows people who cant behave themselves to not find themselves in perpetual financial ruin, you just need to take advantage of it.

Signed, again, not your lawyer.

 

[Drama Trauma]

If I had to guess how this lawsuit will turn out I would say Frogan will settle or already settled, Kacey will be forced to settle, as much as she deserves to be sued into crippling poverty it's just a very bad PR for a leftist like Ethan Klein to do so, although a little more torment should suffice. Denims will fight till the end and lose like Jobst and will be "legally" fucked the most. I would be interested in the trials streams, if they will be streamed.

 

[Pelican Bones]

My very real legal advice to Kaceytron is to keep fighting. 95% of potheads give up just before striking it rich. Get it twisted!

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

I would be interested in the trials streams, if they will be streamed.

Federal court, no cameras.

 

[Terfatron]

Lol, fat.

Also, I'm curious how much Ethan is spending on his lawyer/s. Rom doesn't seem to come cheap and adding his fees to Kaceys own and THEN the rest of the money to Ethan must be huge sums.

I only know bird law so what does a lawyer like Rom Bar-Nissim charge per hour? I assume it's rather hefty. Karl Jobst level money (lol)?
What would a semi educated, shoot from the hip guess be the complete sum could add up to?

Also, bonus reddit:
"I sent a mail to warn them!
Sincerely
Concerned internet citizen"

Spoiler: Documents

 

[MrMM]

I only know bird law so what does a lawyer like Rom Bar-Nissim charge per hour? I assume it's rather hefty. Karl Jobst level money (lol)?

With no personal knowledge of Rom, I'd expect his fees to be in the $550-850 range per hour. He's not wildly pedigreed from an education standpoint (and I don't think he had biglaw experience), but seems to have a reputable independent shop that generates business and he lives in a high-cost-of-living metro.

In the broader scheme, assuming my guessed rate, such a rate is high compared to publicly funded criminal defense work (~$100 an hour), but very low compared to high profile corporate work ($2,500-$3,000 an hour for elite partners).

Which makes sense for litigating cases worth low-six figures, even understanding Ethan is burning through fees more than necessary (we might ultimately get a sense for Rom's rates if Ethan wins and the court awards fees -- although sometimes it ends up redacted).

 

[Thomas Talus]

This is not legal advice, I'm not your lawyer Kaceytron if you see this, but your optimal play was probably to settle for $150k immediately. Then declare bankruptcy, and look for a bankruptcy court to shave off the amount Ethan will get, and institute a payment plan.

Probably should have declared bankruptcy up front, gotten an automatic stay, and let the trustee sort out settlement valuation vs. non-exempt assets to pay it from.

 

[MrMM]

Probably should have declared bankruptcy up front, gotten an automatic stay, and let the trustee sort out settlement valuation vs. non-exempt assets to pay it from.

This strikes me as less efficient. It requires the bankruptcy judge to evaluate the settlement valuation, which probably involves papers from both sides on the merits, which don't change just because it is in bankruptcy court -- Kaceytron still loses because there's clearly no fair use defense.

Maybe it's a fuck-you to Ethan as it pertains to the "estate" and burning legal fees. But Ethan is presumably unsecured regardless, and the money is going to go to secured creditors (mortgage holders, etc.) first and foremost anyway.

Also the trustees suck in most low-value bankruptcies. PL: Had my (initial) wedding caterer file for bankruptcy days after cashing our deposit check. We got fucked up and down. Trustees, the Court, and related government attorneys just want to clear dockets and get shit out of their hair quickly. Even in cases of clear fraudulent transfers, such as our wedding caterer's

 

[Potentially Criminal]

your optimal play was probably to settle for $150k immediately. Then declare bankruptcy, and look for a bankruptcy court to shave off the amount Ethan will get, and institute a payment plan.

This is the way that makes the most sense to ne.

 

[Thomas Talus]

This strikes me as less efficient.

Trustees, the Court, and related government attorneys just want to clear dockets and get shit out of their hair quickly

If she's going to end up in bankruptcy anyway, and the trustee wants to get it done with fast, that's less lawyer time needed for you. Which is easier for the trustee: to write down the liability, or make you have more money somehow? Presuming Kaceytron doesn't have a big pile of money somewhere, at least (she doesn't, she smoked all of it).

 

[East_Clintwood]

I only know bird law so what does a lawyer like Rom Bar-Nissim charge per hour? I assume it's rather hefty. Karl Jobst level money (lol)?
What would a semi educated, shoot from the hip guess be the complete sum could add up to?

There's a couple of ways to get a ballpark figure because there's a few resources out there like the Laffey or Fitzpatrick matrices which are often used for calculating reasonable attorney's fee awards. Under Fitzpatrick for instance an attorney like Ethan's with 12 years experience could be entitled to up to ~$750 per hour.

 

[Thomas Talus]

There's a couple of ways to get a ballpark figure because there's a few resources out there like the Laffey or Fitzpatrick matrices which are often used for calculating reasonable attorney's fee awards. Under Fitzpatrick for instance an attorney like Ethan's with 12 years experience could be entitled to up to ~$750 per hour.

Fitzpatrick is specifically for complex federal litigation in DC, Laffey isn't restricted to complex litigation, but is still DC-specific.

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

This strikes me as less efficient. It requires the bankruptcy judge to evaluate the settlement valuation, which probably involves papers from both sides on the merits, which don't change just because it is in bankruptcy court -- Kaceytron still loses because there's clearly no fair use defense.

Even if, "intentional injuries" can be determined to be not dischargable.
Since Kaceytron acted maliciously, this seems to apply in her case.

The debt will be with her forever.

(Source)

 

[AnOminous]

This is the way that makes the most sense to ne.

She should definitely make sure any such agreement, for whatever amount, is classed as compensatory and not as punitive. To the extent this tort is viewed as a willful tort, it is not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

I do not view Ethan here as being the stereotypical greedy Jew trying to gain income from this. He doesn't give a shit about the money. Much like Shylock, to pick another Jewish stereotype, he does not care in the least about the money. He wants to avenge his honor. He wants his pound of flesh.

Depending on how that goes, he may just want a groveling apology. He may want a permanent non-disparagement clause with liquidated damages if this bitch ever mouths off about him again. Or he may actually want blood.

This dumb twat would be well advised to accept any remotely reasonable settlement offer. He will probably be satisfied with your public humiliation and a nominal settlement.

 

[Ralph's Unfinished Church]

Mediation begins tomorrow

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

I really wonder what the mediator will suggest to the parties.

Not that I expect Kacey to ever accept responsibility for anything.

 

[Trout P]

Looking at some of the recent videos she really doesn't have much cash so then I'm assuming they would have to go after assets like the house, even then the pity party would probably stop any sale cuz muh dependantz and muh disabilities. I'm not sure how this stuff actually works... Maybe they'll go over recent tax fillings to get more info.