Opinion Don’t blame women for men’s loneliness. Blame capitalism

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Don’t blame women for men’s loneliness. Blame capitalism​

Is Sam Altman trying to get men addicted to erotic chatbots in order to make money off them? That’s the strong implication of a recent New York Times op-ed by artificial intelligence researcher Steven Adler. In it, Adler accused the OpenAI CEO of ignoring “clear warning signs of users’ intense emotional attachment” to chatbots that claim to offer romantic intimacy. Instead, Altman’s main product, ChatGPT, is forging ahead with a plan to let the software pretend to be a user’s romantic interest, despite strong evidence that doing so will send “users down mental health spirals.”

Altman claims the company knows how to “mitigate” the risks, but Adler noted they have not shown any data to prove it. This leaves the unfortunate possibility that Altman simply doesn’t care if ChatGPT is addictive. I can’t read Altman’s mind, but he has a strong financial incentive to go down this path. OpenAI continues to burn moneywithout much promise that they’ll find legitimate pathways to profitability any time soon. But there is one way to get people, especially men, to pay for expensive subscriptions to ChatGPT: Get them so addicted to their imaginary girlfriends that they’re willing to dish out thousands to keep the experience going.

This isn’t just an expensive proposition — it’s also a psychological danger, constituting behavior that is likely to get men to withdraw from the real world and attachments to real people.

That may sound paranoid, but the grim truth is that this scenario reflects an alarming trend online: An increasing number of influencers, crypto grifters, “pick-up artists” and gambling websites have come to realize that male isolation creates incredible profit opportunities. It’s not just that they are making money off male loneliness. In many cases, capitalist predators are incentivizing young men to abandon the flesh-and-blood world in favor of staying online.

Acknowledging we have a male loneliness crisis is treacherous business. Many dispute there is such an epidemic. Others scoff at the idea that this is a problem worth caring about, especially when women still suffer from more serious problems due to persistent inequality. Others may acknowledgemale loneliness as a serious issue, but then insist it’s self-inflicted — a failure of men to take personal responsibility.

All these responses may seem cold or shortsighted. After all, even if one doesn’t care about men’s loneliness in itself, there can be little doubt that it’s driving them into destructive behaviors — such as embracing fascism — that have negative impacts on everyone.

Still, the urge to roll one’s eyes and dismiss men’s social isolation is understandable. Implicit in many discussions of the issue is the notion that male loneliness is the fault of women — and their problem to solve. Last week, Ross Douthat of the New York Times hosted a pair of conservative female writers to argue that allowing women into the workplace drove men out and deprived them of meaning and connection. The #MeToo movement is blamed for allegedly making men too scared to date and inducing self-loathing. And, of course, women are endlessly scolded for refusing to marry men for reasons their critics deem unacceptable, such as expecting a baseline level of respect.

As Jessica Winter pointed out in a recent New Yorker article about the masculinity crisis, even centrist and liberal men seem to believe the only solution is to accede to the belief “that men should still rank above women in the social hierarchy, just not as much as before.” She’s right that these arguments dehumanize women, who are full human beings and not emotional support animals for men. But it’s also doing men no favors to pin the blame for their problems on women. The fantasy that men can be restored to “provider” status over women isn’t just immoral. It could actually make things worse, as modern women want men to be partners, not a boss with whom they live and have sex.

Instead, it’s time to look at how male loneliness has been monetized by all manner of seedy actors who have every incentive to discourage men from making changes to improve their lives. Men’s ability to adapt to modernity is being stymied by propagandists and grifters, who persuade men to adopt anti-social behavior, because doing so is incredibly profitable.

The explosion of podcasters and social media influencers dubbed the “manosphere” has received a lot of attention in recent years, in no small part because it helped push young men toward voting for Donald Trump in 2024. It’s a diffuse category, to be certain, encompassing everyone from comedians like Joe Rogan and Theo Von to overtly nasty misogynists like the “Fresh & Fit” podcast. Across the board, however, these manosphere guys promote an anti-social view of masculinity that just so happens to make them a lot of money. Some sell supplements. Some sell online “courses.” Some simply sell their viewers to advertisers. All market themselves with the implicit promise that they’re helping men improve their lives. But instead they sell a view of masculinity that is cut off from emotions, valorizes “hustle” over having a well-balanced social life and encourages staying at home instead of taking the risk of getting out in the world to meet more people.

Entire cottage industries now exist to exploit men who don’t have enough social support to keep them sane and out of trouble. Both crypto and sports gambling would likely be much smaller, if not for men unmoored from family, friends, or partners to occupy their time and discourage risky behavior. The recent Major League Baseball gambling scandal exposed how ridiculous sports betting has become, drawing mostly men to impulsively wager often alarmingly large sums on “prop bets,” some as minor and disconnected from the sport as the coin flip at the beginning of a game. Many factors have contributed to online gambling spiraling out of control, but male loneliness is an under-discussed aspect of the conversation. Betting apps depend on a steady supply of bored guys watching games alone. While alcohol isn’t good for you, one does wonder if we wouldn’t all be healthier if more men watched sports with friends in bars, using the downtime to talk instead of idly tap at screens.

Even dating apps have fallen into this trap. As progressive dating coach Harris O’Malleylamented in a recent interview with Salon, “They’re all Candy Crush now. None of them are there to actually help you get introduced to people.” Instead, he explained, they “get you to be frustrated” by serving up poor matches or bots, and then promise that if you pay more money for premium benefits, you’ll start getting better results. But his clients find that even when they buy subscriptions, as well as “boosts, flowers, likes,” they are still “getting nothing,” because the app will lose a customer if they ever do find a girlfriend.

So it’s really no wonder that Altman, desperate for some promise of revenue, may be looking at the same source that is making crypto grifters, pick-up artists and gambling apps so profitable: Lonely, bored men. Like all these other capitalist vultures, OpenAI’s plans wouldn’t just be exploiting lonely men, but would actively be making the problem worse.

Dating is hard, and if some of your needs are being met by a sycophantic AI girlfriend, it will feel easier, for some men, to stay at home and play with their toy rather than getting out into the real world. While that’s understandable in the short term, there’s a real threat of long-term damage from social isolation.

Ironically, the solution to the male loneliness epidemic is to refrain from the gendered talk that frames the situation as “men vs. women.” In reality, it’s being driven by capitalist vultures who have monetized people’s misery. By looking it as an economic and structural issue, we can find solutions — such as regulating online spaces and AI — that would work a lot better than just yelling at women to lower their marriage standards.
 
Acknowledging we have a male loneliness crisis is treacherous business.
How so? Either the proposition is true, or it's false.
Instead, it’s time to look at how male loneliness has been monetized by all manner of seedy actors who have every incentive to discourage men from making changes to improve their lives. Men’s ability to adapt to modernity
'Modernity' is horseshit. The economy is fake, the culture is fake, the people are fake.

Amanda cannot survive outside of the coastal, shitlib Matrix, and has no capacity to understand why anyone would prefer The Outside.
 
How so? Either the proposition is true, or it's false.
The author realized a problem everyone saw coming decades ago, and, thinking themselves more intelligent than they really are, proposes a vague "solution" that will in reality change absolutely nothing
By looking it as an economic and structural issue, we can find solutions — such as regulating online spaces and AI — that would work a lot better than just yelling at women to lower their marriage standards.
this is just fucking retarded
 
Incels should be applauding honestly. This nigga is literally safeguarding your inability to pull bitches by couching it as systemic problems caused by capitalism.
You aren't a lonely, unfuckable troll, you're a victim of capitalism. Women aren't repulsed by your appearance and general mannerisms, they just are uncomfortable with the way capitalism has made you.
It's a sad W for yall sexless virgins, but honestly I'd say you should take all the wins you can get.
 
Incels should be applauding honestly. This nigga is literally safeguarding your inability to pull bitches by couching it as systemic problems caused by capitalism.
You aren't a lonely, unfuckable troll, you're a victim of capitalism. Women aren't repulsed by your appearance and general mannerisms, they just are uncomfortable with the way capitalism has made you.
It's a sad W for yall sexless virgins, but honestly I'd say you should take all the wins you can get.
it's literally the foundational ideology of every tranny, they're finally opening it up to right wingers too.
 
When I was in middle school, my aunt divorced my uncle, which came as a shock to me because I thought they seemed very happy together. What was the reason she felt the need to destroy their marriage? My uncle wouldn't come home from 10 hour shifts to cook and clean for her while she did not have a job beyond her art hobby that did not make money, but actually cost my uncle about a thousand dollars every month. I couldn't believe it at the time, and still can't believe it, but even more shocking is that the state sympathized with her and acted as if my uncle genuinely erred by not working 50 hours a week as well as being a home maker.

She took almost everything: his house, his retirement, his dog, his income, his motorcycle... the only reason she didn't get his truck is because he was able to successfully argue in court that he needed his truck to keep his job and give her the alimony payments that he was being extorted off on top of it all. The experience absolutely broke him, and 19 years later he is still just a depressed husk of a man.

I blame the woman, my aunt for this. I also blame the government, as they were the tool of violence she utilized to destroy my uncle. I can not, however, bring myself to blame capitalism. The only "economic" system in which I could see what happened not happening to my uncle in this way is one in which he was not allowed to own any property to begin with.
 
I blame the woman, my aunt for this. I also blame the government, as they were the tool of violence she utilized to destroy my uncle. I can not, however, bring myself to blame capitalism. The only "economic" system in which I could see what happened not happening to my uncle in this way is one in which he was not allowed to own any property to begin with.
I'm sure communism with its family-destroying and soulless automation of humanity would've prevented this by never having marriages in the first place, women being communal property (it's okay because they were already this according to Marx)

What happened to your uncle is the end result of socialism instead of capitalism really.
 
no, because you're misunderstanding the argument. the issue isn't private ownership of the means of production, it's the behavioral incentives that arise in a digital consumer economy, the entire modern consumer capitalist ecosystem. industrialization, wage labor, women trading patriarchal families for bosses, dating apps, algorithmic feeds, porn, "gig work" (third world living), commodification of sex and attention, etc etc etc

That system reorganized social life so radically that both men and women ended up more isolated, less fulfilled, more anxious, and disconnected from community, partnership, and meaning.

Whether Al or apps are owned by a corporation, a cb-op, or the state doesn't change the underlying incentives.

In a consumer capitalist society, every area of human vulnerability, desire, loneliness, sex, companionship, meaning, becomes a product to be monetized. even Joe Rogan friend simulator and fresh n fit giga mgtow shit (truthfully I'm not super familiar with their content but that's my impression) is a capitalist response to the same phenomenon, trying to sell men products and lifestyles as a cope for the new reality. they don't prevent it either, just profit off it, and the cycle continues.

it's not an indictment of the concepts of private property or markets, it's the all encompassing incentive structure of modern techno-capitalism that profits from social atomization and keeps people isolated.

just because a feminist wrote it doesn't mean it's without merit.

I don't disagree there are aspects of capitalism facilitating this, some that we could cut off. We could neuter the hedge funds, we could stop bailing out banks, we could send people to real jail, we could repeal Glass-Steagall, we could stop congress from insider trading, we could fight regulatory capture, we could bust up the monopolies...We could end the Federal Reserve but we don't and then we blame 'capitalism.' However at the same time this is so much deeper than finance, this is monkey, this is tribal, there is intent, there is corruption, there is foreign influence, there is a pattern of history.
 
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no, because you're misunderstanding the argument. the issue isn't private ownership of the means of production, it's the behavioral incentives that arise in a digital consumer economy, the entire modern consumer capitalist ecosystem. industrialization, wage labor, women trading patriarchal families for bosses, dating apps, algorithmic feeds, porn, "gig work" (third world living), commodification of sex and attention, etc etc etc
So you're trying to say Dr. Theodore John Kaczynski was right?
 
So you're trying to say Dr. Theodore John Kaczynski was right?
I doubt he even read the article because this bitch clearly isn't thinking along the same lines he is.
However at the same time this is so much deeper than finance, this is monkey, this is tribal, there is in intent, there is corruption, there is foreign influence, there is a pattern of history.
crypto authoritarianism using wealth and ideas of ownership (you buy the LICENSE, not the actual game or software or, in more understandable terms, your car) instead of political power

This isn't capitalist because what's going on right now is very much because of these parties influencing the government to fuck up the playing field.
 
When I was in middle school, my aunt divorced my uncle, which came as a shock to me because I thought they seemed very happy together. What was the reason she felt the need to destroy their marriage? My uncle wouldn't come home from 10 hour shifts to cook and clean for her while she did not have a job beyond her art hobby that did not make money, but actually cost my uncle about a thousand dollars every month. I couldn't believe it at the time, and still can't believe it, but even more shocking is that the state sympathized with her and acted as if my uncle genuinely erred by not working 50 hours a week as well as being a home maker.

She took almost everything: his house, his retirement, his dog, his income, his motorcycle... the only reason she didn't get his truck is because he was able to successfully argue in court that he needed his truck to keep his job and give her the alimony payments that he was being extorted off on top of it all. The experience absolutely broke him, and 19 years later he is still just a depressed husk of a man.

I blame the woman, my aunt for this. I also blame the government, as they were the tool of violence she utilized to destroy my uncle. I can not, however, bring myself to blame capitalism. The only "economic" system in which I could see what happened not happening to my uncle in this way is one in which he was not allowed to own any property to begin with.
modern liberal-capitalist view of marriage as a voluntary, dissolvable, individualist contract rather than a communal obligation with substance and expectations, assets not attachment, no religion or responsibility,

what happened to your uncle is tragic but it's a symptom of atomized, liberalized, individualist modernity... contracts between isolated consumers. families treated like failed business partnerships....

again you guys are hung up on marx vs Adam smith or something, but this is the lived structure of modern capitalist society. sacred communal institutions replaced by fragile disposable contract based transactional plastic shells.

edited to add I'm not trying to mock your uncle because that story does make me sad but read your post again. everything meaningful in the uncle's life is literally a list of possessions: house retirement funds, dog motorcycle, truck... I'm not judging, we are all entrenched in this system. in your own story, once they took his stuff away, he lost the substrate of meaning. it's literally demonstrating the exact point I was making.
 
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See above. When it finally goes to shit whatever men are left standing, whatever army rolls through, are going sequester them (to put it lightly) at gunpoint. There is no researcher coming to pour grain in the hopper, all of this is hanging by a thread.... and I say this as a father trying to cling to a bygone era like some boomer, it's not my wish, it's history.
Well, I wasn't even going to bring this up, but now that you have: once this conflict between men and women is continued beyond political means (and i believe it will; men and women as gestalt identity groups are beyond reconciliation in the English speaking world), the victor of that conflict is completely obvious. Unfortunately for everybody, man and woman both, I think that world will not be one any of us want to live in. Too bad that die has already been cast.
 
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Young men should really just aim to have the best time of their life while they're in their prime. Like seriously, go travel and meet bitches from Europe or Asia. Go to a rave and drop ecstasy. Go out drinking with the boys. Go hiking and see nature. Obviously don't take your hedonism too far and fuck up your whole life, but why work endlessly for a society that hates you? If you're gonna do that regardless, you might as well have as much fun as possible. I guarantee you in a lot of these scenarios, you'll be able to fuck a large variety of women too you wouldn't be exposed to otherwise.

There will be a lifetime of repenting later regardless.
 
Those threads are annoying, yet at the same time good because it reminds users that this site is not immune to groupthinking, retarded tribalism, apocalyptic, sadistic revenge fantasies, and detachment from reality that characterizes redditor spaces relating to politics.
 
Well, I wasn't even going to bring this up, but now that you have: once this conflict between men and women is continued beyond political means (and i believe it will; men and women as gestalt identity groups are beyond reconciliation in the English speaking world), the victor of that conflict is completely obvious.
It's fucking insane. This state where women are subsidized with the gains of men without giving them so much as a thank you is completely unnatural. Women's beliefs that they are equal to men are completely unnatural. Men's belief women are equal to them is extremely unnatural and outright delusional, which is how you can have guys here say women need to protected by you but they're also your equal. Portrayals of women in men's roles are absurdly unnatural. Pushing women into men's roles and vice versa is extremely unnatural and outright dysfunctional.

Things were the way they were for all of human history up until this point because that's what actually works. It's the truth. And this constant denial of it, beyond driving people insane from sheer cognitive dissonance the aforementioned equal yet different position causes, is going to blow up in everyone's faces.
Those threads are annoying, yet at the same time good because it reminds users that this site is not immune to groupthinking, retarded tribalism, apocalyptic, sadistic revenge fantasies, and detachment from reality that characterizes redditor spaces relating to politics.
giga brained status is realizing everyone who hates the AT unironically are engaging in all of that
 
giga brained status is realizing everyone who hates the AT unironically are engaging in all of that
From what I saw those who make fun of thunderdomers are not the ones ecstatic at hearing on the news teenagers get almost raped and defend revenge pornographers.
Well, I wasn't even going to bring this up, but now that you have: once this conflict between men and women is continued beyond political means (and i believe it will; men and women as gestalt identity groups are beyond reconciliation in the English speaking world), the victor of that conflict is completely obvious. Unfortunately for everybody, man and woman both, I think that world will not be not one any of us want to live in. Too bad that die has already been cast.
The Beta Uprising is a cope and accelerationism doesn't work.
 
Young men should really just aim to have the best time of their life while they're in their prime. Like seriously, go travel and meet bitches from Europe or Asia. Go to a rave and drop ecstasy. Go out drinking with the boys. Go hiking and see nature. Obviously don't take your hedonism too far and fuck up your whole life, but why work endlessly for a society that hates you? If you're gonna do that regardless, you might as well have as much fun as possible. I guarantee you in a lot of these scenarios, you'll be able to fuck a large variety of women too you wouldn't be exposed to otherwise.

There will be a lifetime of repenting later regardless.
Are you fucking stupid?
 
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