Opinion Don’t blame women for men’s loneliness. Blame capitalism

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Don’t blame women for men’s loneliness. Blame capitalism​

Is Sam Altman trying to get men addicted to erotic chatbots in order to make money off them? That’s the strong implication of a recent New York Times op-ed by artificial intelligence researcher Steven Adler. In it, Adler accused the OpenAI CEO of ignoring “clear warning signs of users’ intense emotional attachment” to chatbots that claim to offer romantic intimacy. Instead, Altman’s main product, ChatGPT, is forging ahead with a plan to let the software pretend to be a user’s romantic interest, despite strong evidence that doing so will send “users down mental health spirals.”

Altman claims the company knows how to “mitigate” the risks, but Adler noted they have not shown any data to prove it. This leaves the unfortunate possibility that Altman simply doesn’t care if ChatGPT is addictive. I can’t read Altman’s mind, but he has a strong financial incentive to go down this path. OpenAI continues to burn moneywithout much promise that they’ll find legitimate pathways to profitability any time soon. But there is one way to get people, especially men, to pay for expensive subscriptions to ChatGPT: Get them so addicted to their imaginary girlfriends that they’re willing to dish out thousands to keep the experience going.

This isn’t just an expensive proposition — it’s also a psychological danger, constituting behavior that is likely to get men to withdraw from the real world and attachments to real people.

That may sound paranoid, but the grim truth is that this scenario reflects an alarming trend online: An increasing number of influencers, crypto grifters, “pick-up artists” and gambling websites have come to realize that male isolation creates incredible profit opportunities. It’s not just that they are making money off male loneliness. In many cases, capitalist predators are incentivizing young men to abandon the flesh-and-blood world in favor of staying online.

Acknowledging we have a male loneliness crisis is treacherous business. Many dispute there is such an epidemic. Others scoff at the idea that this is a problem worth caring about, especially when women still suffer from more serious problems due to persistent inequality. Others may acknowledgemale loneliness as a serious issue, but then insist it’s self-inflicted — a failure of men to take personal responsibility.

All these responses may seem cold or shortsighted. After all, even if one doesn’t care about men’s loneliness in itself, there can be little doubt that it’s driving them into destructive behaviors — such as embracing fascism — that have negative impacts on everyone.

Still, the urge to roll one’s eyes and dismiss men’s social isolation is understandable. Implicit in many discussions of the issue is the notion that male loneliness is the fault of women — and their problem to solve. Last week, Ross Douthat of the New York Times hosted a pair of conservative female writers to argue that allowing women into the workplace drove men out and deprived them of meaning and connection. The #MeToo movement is blamed for allegedly making men too scared to date and inducing self-loathing. And, of course, women are endlessly scolded for refusing to marry men for reasons their critics deem unacceptable, such as expecting a baseline level of respect.

As Jessica Winter pointed out in a recent New Yorker article about the masculinity crisis, even centrist and liberal men seem to believe the only solution is to accede to the belief “that men should still rank above women in the social hierarchy, just not as much as before.” She’s right that these arguments dehumanize women, who are full human beings and not emotional support animals for men. But it’s also doing men no favors to pin the blame for their problems on women. The fantasy that men can be restored to “provider” status over women isn’t just immoral. It could actually make things worse, as modern women want men to be partners, not a boss with whom they live and have sex.

Instead, it’s time to look at how male loneliness has been monetized by all manner of seedy actors who have every incentive to discourage men from making changes to improve their lives. Men’s ability to adapt to modernity is being stymied by propagandists and grifters, who persuade men to adopt anti-social behavior, because doing so is incredibly profitable.

The explosion of podcasters and social media influencers dubbed the “manosphere” has received a lot of attention in recent years, in no small part because it helped push young men toward voting for Donald Trump in 2024. It’s a diffuse category, to be certain, encompassing everyone from comedians like Joe Rogan and Theo Von to overtly nasty misogynists like the “Fresh & Fit” podcast. Across the board, however, these manosphere guys promote an anti-social view of masculinity that just so happens to make them a lot of money. Some sell supplements. Some sell online “courses.” Some simply sell their viewers to advertisers. All market themselves with the implicit promise that they’re helping men improve their lives. But instead they sell a view of masculinity that is cut off from emotions, valorizes “hustle” over having a well-balanced social life and encourages staying at home instead of taking the risk of getting out in the world to meet more people.

Entire cottage industries now exist to exploit men who don’t have enough social support to keep them sane and out of trouble. Both crypto and sports gambling would likely be much smaller, if not for men unmoored from family, friends, or partners to occupy their time and discourage risky behavior. The recent Major League Baseball gambling scandal exposed how ridiculous sports betting has become, drawing mostly men to impulsively wager often alarmingly large sums on “prop bets,” some as minor and disconnected from the sport as the coin flip at the beginning of a game. Many factors have contributed to online gambling spiraling out of control, but male loneliness is an under-discussed aspect of the conversation. Betting apps depend on a steady supply of bored guys watching games alone. While alcohol isn’t good for you, one does wonder if we wouldn’t all be healthier if more men watched sports with friends in bars, using the downtime to talk instead of idly tap at screens.

Even dating apps have fallen into this trap. As progressive dating coach Harris O’Malleylamented in a recent interview with Salon, “They’re all Candy Crush now. None of them are there to actually help you get introduced to people.” Instead, he explained, they “get you to be frustrated” by serving up poor matches or bots, and then promise that if you pay more money for premium benefits, you’ll start getting better results. But his clients find that even when they buy subscriptions, as well as “boosts, flowers, likes,” they are still “getting nothing,” because the app will lose a customer if they ever do find a girlfriend.

So it’s really no wonder that Altman, desperate for some promise of revenue, may be looking at the same source that is making crypto grifters, pick-up artists and gambling apps so profitable: Lonely, bored men. Like all these other capitalist vultures, OpenAI’s plans wouldn’t just be exploiting lonely men, but would actively be making the problem worse.

Dating is hard, and if some of your needs are being met by a sycophantic AI girlfriend, it will feel easier, for some men, to stay at home and play with their toy rather than getting out into the real world. While that’s understandable in the short term, there’s a real threat of long-term damage from social isolation.

Ironically, the solution to the male loneliness epidemic is to refrain from the gendered talk that frames the situation as “men vs. women.” In reality, it’s being driven by capitalist vultures who have monetized people’s misery. By looking it as an economic and structural issue, we can find solutions — such as regulating online spaces and AI — that would work a lot better than just yelling at women to lower their marriage standards.
 
Women dont demand mens rights to vote and work outside of the homerepealed because, they arent getting laid .
This is a deliberate misrepresentation of the idea. You can hurl all the incel slurs you like, but it won’t change the truth:

We want your franchises revoked because whenever faced with any political decision, as a group, women choose the most destructive possible option as a matter of course. As men, we are then compelled to bear the consequences of those decisions, often with our very lives. Revoking your franchise is simply in everyone’s best interest to save ourselves and the final tattered remains of our civilization from your pathological consequence-free derangement. You voted to destroy society so you could feel good about yourselves. This must not be allowed to happen again.

You don't get to collectively direct the State to use violence and/or the explicit threat thereof to make everybody's lives worse by degrees and expect us to not seek to deprive you of that power or retribution in general.

Edit: BP harpies are mad.
 
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Not sure this is the root problem, though it does seem have a reciprocating effect.... Gen-Z has jerked themselves into submissiveness and lethargy, it's certainly what enables them to check out without crashing out, it certainly lowers the standard of the general male pool....but no man or adolescent wakes up on Saturday morning thinking "Damn I would really prefer crying to grok and fucking this piece of plastic, than to have a woman asleep next to me right now." It's a pit of cope they fall into because being sexless in a hyper-sexual environment is mentally crushing and God help women/society if the government get's stupid enough to pull all these male sexual vices cold turkey. We are a nation of coping addicts and we are going to have to manage the withdrawal. The first thing these young men are going to feel when they get their T regulated is intense rage and they aren't going to spend the day sitting on the couch in a dopamine/prolactin fog. Many are suppressing themselves because there is no middle ground in this Mouse Eutopia between preening in your cell alone and the bloody fighting in the open pen that is brewing. They are afraid of the others, of themselves.

Also no offense but it's kind of funny that the one vice the T&H woman zeros in on immediately is the one that plays on emotional connection... by the time a man is this far gone he might as well be stuffing the gun in his mouth and no flesh and blood woman would want to talk to him anyway, grokette is doing you a favor.

The feeling’s mutual. We shall see who fares better. I doubt it will be women given their inherent need for attention and validation and the fact that the overwhelming majority of you are utterly incapable of understanding maintenance on your property and possessions, never mind performing it.

See above. When it finally goes to shit whatever men are left standing, whatever army rolls through, are going sequester them (to put it lightly) at gunpoint. There is no researcher coming to pour grain in the hopper, all of this is hanging by a thread.... and I say this as a father trying to cling to a bygone era like some boomer, it's not my wish, it's history.
 
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Can someone explain how the private ownership of the means of production is causing this and how if AI was owned by worker CO-OPs we would have male loneliness?
 
The writer of the article, Amanda Marcotte
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The first thing these young men are going to feel when they get their T regulated is intense rage
Good. It’s justified. Let them feel real anger.
Then we just point them at the right people. That may be the challenge.
We should all be fucking furious at what’s been done to society
Historically, a mass of disaffected young men is where things start to happen.
 
Women can live without men very easily.
If by "very easily", you mean be slightly less crushed under and ground up by our tyrannical governments, than yes. You can live in pod and own nothing. However 99% of the women who live like that are miserable.

Women dont demand mens rights to vote and work outside of the home repealed, because they arent getting laid .
Women have advocated for similar, and worse in the past for just such a reason. Its impressive how lesbian crazies have corrupted straight women in a single century.

Also no offense but it's kind of funny that the one vice the T&H woman zeros in on immediately is the one that plays on emotional connection... by the time a man is this far gone he might as well be stuffing the gun in his mouth and no flesh and blood woman would want to talk to him anyway, grokette is doing you a favor.
Don't know about that. Some desperate women out there.
 
I will remind men, women arent put on this earth to solely serve them.
Looking at it from the biological, i.e. the least ideological, perspective, they actually are. The misery every one of us is experiencing to some extent--no matter how successful they have been or think they have been--is a direct result of men letting women vote and giving them equal rights and easy access to contraceptives and workplaces.

Women can live without men very easily.
Well, that's the whole problem we all are facing.
 
I am genuenly curious what biological perspective ? as a species we are 8 billion and growing yearly at a 1% rate, we are more than we have ever been in the human history.
As a species. yes. But we are talking race, nation, tribe here. The white race will only survive if we take away any destructive rights from its females. If we continue the path of freedom of choice, we will eventually cease to exist as a race.
 
I am genuenly curious what biological perspective ? as a species we are 8 billion and growing yearly at a 1% rate, we are more than we have ever been in the human history.
Women aren’t in existence to serve men. It’s as logical to say that Men exist to build the conditions where women can raise children in some relative safety. The biological drive is reproduction and survival and then it becomes a set of self reinforcing truths.
The men provide safety so the women can raise the children who become the men who provide safety and the women who make more children. Back to step one, repeat. BOTH are needed. Working together. without either sex there is nothing. Women don’t exist to serve men for fun, they exist to perpetuate the species through time. It’s as logical to say that men’s efforts are all towards building the environment that allows safer more successful reproduction.
 
Garbage like this article is the equivalent of the "it's afraid" meme from Starship Troopers. Some cunts are self aware that the good times for women and their current decades long dominance over society is nearing the end and we are one economic crash away from Gilead time. And at this point, who would blame men of the world from wanting Gilead since we already live in the pseudo female centric version of Gilead.
 
I'm pretty sure materialism is the source for both men and women's current woes. It was just aided and abetted with capitalism. And we can't discard the social justice's involvement in the current state of affairs, what with it broadening the definition of sexual harassment and assault.
 
Can someone explain how the private ownership of the means of production is causing this and how if AI was owned by worker CO-OPs we would have male loneliness?
no, because you're misunderstanding the argument. the issue isn't private ownership of the means of production, it's the behavioral incentives that arise in a digital consumer economy, the entire modern consumer capitalist ecosystem. industrialization, wage labor, women trading patriarchal families for bosses, dating apps, algorithmic feeds, porn, "gig work" (third world living), commodification of sex and attention, etc etc etc

That system reorganized social life so radically that both men and women ended up more isolated, less fulfilled, more anxious, and disconnected from community, partnership, and meaning.

Whether Al or apps are owned by a corporation, a cb-op, or the state doesn't change the underlying incentives.

In a consumer capitalist society, every area of human vulnerability, desire, loneliness, sex, companionship, meaning, becomes a product to be monetized. even Joe Rogan friend simulator and fresh n fit giga mgtow shit (truthfully I'm not super familiar with their content but that's my impression) is a capitalist response to the same phenomenon, trying to sell men products and lifestyles as a cope for the new reality. they don't prevent it either, just profit off it, and the cycle continues.

it's not an indictment of the concepts of private property or markets, it's the all encompassing incentive structure of modern techno-capitalism that profits from social atomization and keeps people isolated.

just because a feminist wrote it doesn't mean it's without merit.
 
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