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Should be a wild four years.

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"he's just uninformed" is such a bad cope. He is the fucking President of the United States. If he doesn't know about this he is so ill-informed about everything else as well. That also means his advisors are all ill-informed or more likely lying to him. So he is surrounded by liars and cannot tell they are lying to him.
 
Justify this shit. You can’t
I’m not justifying it, I am just not becoming hysterical over it. Because I understand Trump is a fallible person and definitely don’t see him as largely a good person because I don’t think you can be and get into high levels of wealth or power. So he’s gonna fuck up. And he’s gonna be wrong. And it isn’t going to be the end of the world. 🤷‍♂️
 
The full context of the interview really makes Trump believe Americans need to be taught to put them together because he saw all the fancy tech stuff in asia and how they have those white suit assembly lines, but to him America has those blue collar factories where they build the power, etc.

He's clearly being told these are training things which is probably true for new plant investment he has said, and he saw Gung Ho in the 80's so is thinking it will be something like that, as opposed to it being an indian coming in and hiring indians and making everything suck.

This will all be corrected in a day or two, but in the meantime just go kill yourself if you haven't followed the usual Trump foot in mouth cycle. Until he stops rounding up illegals or Miller leaves I'm not worrying about it.
 
Maybe this is just my frustrated older Millennial self talking out of my ass, but I'm coming to the conclusion that the real problem here across both sides of the aisle are the fucking Boomers, or at any rate the well-off Boomers. They want, nay demand, to have a low-paid foreign brown underclass so as to subsidize every last bit of their lifestyle as they enjoy 30 years of retirement on both the wealth they accumulated through their lifetimes and the Social Security/Medicare that those of us actually lucky enough to have a job pay for, never paying a drop or letting the younger generation get the opportunity for wealth building that they enjoyed.
 
Go to any card shop in the American south you will meet dumbass men whose entire life saving are into cards and are playing with 1000 dollar decks. Many of them have shit less than 20 an hour jobs.

You can sit across a 40 year old with a 2 thousand dollar deck fresh off his shift from Best Buy. Whose life achievement is top 8ing a regional 10 years ago. His cards represent 90 percent of his personal wealth. His shitbox car is the other 10 percent.

Also for more horror "Pokevesting" is now a thing because a box of pokemom cards left unsealed has a higher resale return yield than index funds. So they buy it all out so kids cant get any. Certainly wont be any side effect from stopping an entire generation from playing and preventing them from forming nostalgia when they have money and are older. No sirree line will always go up on Pokeman cards!
This is too fucking relatable and I don't like it.
 
I’m not justifying it, I am just not becoming hysterical over it. Because I understand Trump is a fallible person and definitely don’t see him as largely a good person because I don’t think you can be and get into high levels of wealth or power. So he’s gonna fuck up. And he’s gonna be wrong. And it isn’t going to be the end of the world. 🤷‍♂️
Cucking on h1b is the end of the world as far as supporting him goes and i am not the only one who feels that way
 
The it's so over to we're so back cycle just keeps getting faster and faster.


I think Trump desperately wants to avoid a stock crash and given how precarious the market is, he is probably worrying more cuts to h1b and the like will trigger a massive crash. Not saying it's the right choice, but I am saying I think Trump likes his stock market to not drop below double digit returns.
 
The full context of the interview really makes Trump believe Americans need to be taught to put them together because he saw all the fancy tech stuff in asia and how they have those white suit assembly lines, but to him America has those blue collar factories where they build the power, etc.

He's clearly being told these are training things which is probably true for new plant investment he has said, and he saw Gung Ho in the 80's so is thinking it will be something like that, as opposed to it being an indian coming in and hiring indians and making everything suck.

This will all be corrected in a day or two, but in the meantime just go kill yourself if you haven't followed the usual Trump foot in mouth cycle. Until he stops rounding up illegals or Miller leaves I'm not worrying about it.
People want jobs, they want to be able to afford a house, and want immigrants gone. If this is somehow all a mistake his entire team needs to be fired for fucking up the messaging so hard.
 
I’m so confused right now, he’s saying this but getting rid of OPT?
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An upcoming Trump administration rule is expected to end or restrict Optional Practical Training for international students. The immigration rule, listed on the public regulatory agenda, could appear before the end of the year or in the first half of 2026. It would be the latest measure that critics say is aimed at discouraging international students from coming to the United States and working after graduation. The rule would contradict the sentiments Donald Trump expressed in 2024, when he said on a podcast he wanted all international students to stay and work in America.

Optional Practical Training allows international students to work for 12 months in their field of study before or after completing their course requirements. STEM OPT allows students to gain practical experience through working an additional 24 months (beyond OPT) in a science, technology, engineering or math field. For many immigration opponents, ending OPT and STEM OPT is primarily about preventing international students from obtaining H-1B status. The Bush administration favored granting international students an additional 24 months on STEM OPT to improve their chances in the annual H-1B lottery. Approximately 250,000 students work on OPT and STEM OPT each year.

An Upcoming Immigration Rule On Optional Practical Training

A rule placed on the DHS regulatory agenda would change Optional Practical Training. “The proposed rule will better align practical training to the goals and objectives of the program while providing more clarity to the public,” according to the rule’s abstract. “The proposed rule will amend existing regulations to address fraud and national security concerns, protect U.S. workers from being displaced by foreign nationals, and enhance the Student and Exchange Visitor Program’s capacity to oversee the program.” While Immigration and Customs Enforcement is responsible for issuing the rule, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller is viewed as the driving force behind it.

The Trump administration has already proposed measures that educators warn make the United States a less attractive destination for students pursuing academic programs. In August, DHS proposed a rule to restrict international students by replacing the current “duration of status” policy with fixed admission periods, which could make it more difficult for students to complete programs lasting more than four years. In September, Trump administration officials proposed a new immigration rule to change the H-1B selection process to favor senior-level candidates over recent international students. An upcoming rule will likely restrict H-1B visa eligibility for all types of foreign nationals.

Immigration Option 1: Eliminate Optional Practical Training Or Make It Infeasible

Efren Hernandez, until recently a supervisory policy analyst at USCIS and now the founder of EH3 Immigration Consulting, believes Optional Practical Training is on the chopping block. “If they can find a way to get rid of it, they will,” said Hernandez in an interview.

The Trump administration could seek to remove OPT and STEM OPT from current regulations entirely. Such a move would face a strong pushback and legal challenges from the education and business communities. Critics of OPT and STEM OPT argue that the programs can be removed because they are not explicitly authorized in statute

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Director Joseph Edlow made clear during his confirmation hearing that he hopes to end the ability of international students to work on Optional Practical Training or STEM OPT after graduating from U.S. universities. “I think the way in which OPT has been handled over the past four years, with the help of certain decisions coming out of the D.C. Circuit Court, have been a real problem in terms of misapplication of the law,” said Edlow. “What I want to see would be essentially a regulatory and subregulatory program that would allow us to remove the ability for employment authorizations for F-1 students beyond the time that they are in school.” (Emphasis added.)

There already exists a lesser-used program, Curricular Practical Training, for international students to work while in school. If Edlow used his position within the administration to remove the ability of F-1 students to obtain employment authorization after completing their coursework, it would, in practical terms, eliminate OPT and STEM OPT. Supporters of OPT and STEM OPT argue that all countries America competes with for talent allow international students to work after graduating from university.

Despite Edlow’s disagreement, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, in a 2-1 decision in October 2022, held that the Department of Homeland Security’s authorization of international students to work on OPT and STEM OPT is legally permissible.

Stephen Miller, the chief architect of the Trump administration’s immigration policies, has long opposed international students working in the United States. While on the staff of Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Miller helped draft legislation that would have ended OPT and compelled international students to leave the United States for a decade (for undergraduates and master’s degree recipients) before they could work in H-1B status. Ph.D. recipients would have needed to gain two years of experience outside of America before obtaining an H-1B visa.

“Edlow will definitely work with Miller to kill the OPT system,” said Jon Wasden of Wasden Law in an interview.

Immigration Option 2: Preserve OPT With New Restrictions

If the Trump administration does not end OPT and STEM OPT entirely, another option would be to place new restrictions on the category. Critics contend that because employers do not pay Social Security taxes for students on OPT and STEM OPT, students have an advantage over U.S. workers. Evidence is sparse that employers hire individuals on OPT for jobs lasting only 12 months to save on Social Security taxes. Still, even supporters of Optional Practical Training would like to remove the issue from the public debate.

The Dignity Act, sponsored by Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar (R-FL), would subject wages received by students on Optional Practical Training to Social Security taxes. It appears unlikely that the Trump administration could require employers to pay Social Security taxes for individuals on OPT via regulation.

Another route the Trump administration may take is to introduce new legal, salary or administrative burdens on employers of students on OPT and STEM OPT. “One of the real selling points of OPT, regular OPT, is that employers can hire an employee easily,” said Dan Berger of Green & Spiegel in an interview. “They show up with a work card, and they can work. It’s low bureaucracy.” He points out that OPT can be for as little as 20 hours a week working as a volunteer. “It’s really about the training. It’s helping people get practical training in their field, not necessarily about the work.”

In contrast to OPT, STEM OPT requires a training plan, a market wage, E-Verify and potentially site visits.

Analysts also remain concerned that administration officials could use the end of “duration of status” to make it difficult for students to transition to Optional Practical Training. The proposed rule would allow students to remain in the United States only for fixed terms, such as for four years, and would require extensions to stay longer. If students complete their studies at the end of fixed terms, analysts wonder whether DHS would decline extension requests to remain in the United States to pursue Optional Practical Training. Berger does not think the “duration of status” rule, as written, allows for wholesale denials of OPT. However, he could envision DHS instituting “extreme vetting” and denying many applications.

Expected Negative Economic And Immigration Impact

Economists view ending OPT and STEM OPT as harmful and counterproductive for U.S. innovation. “The clearest evidence is that foreign graduates of U.S. universities cause major increases in innovation,” according to research by George Mason University economics professor Michael Clemens. “Immigration policy that broadly seeks ways to entice foreign graduates of U.S. universities to remain in the United States, the overwhelming mass of evidence suggests, would serve the national interest. Terminating OPT would do the opposite.” Research for the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine by Clemens, Amy Nice and Jeremy Neufeld found that ending OPT would harm U.S. productivity, cause economic growth to decline and cost the U.S. economy domestic output equal to that of an entire state, such as Utah or South Carolina.

Madeline Zavodny, an economics professor at the University of North Florida, examined nearly a decade of data on Optional Practical Training and concluded, “The results indicate that the OPT program does not reduce job opportunities for American workers in STEM fields.” The National Foundation for American Policy study found, “A larger number of foreign students approved for OPT, relative to the number of U.S. workers, is associated with a lower unemployment rate among those U.S. workers.”

Ending OPT and STEM OPT would make it less likely that international students come to America and work after graduation. That would contradict the wishes for immigration policy expressed by Donald Trump, who, in 2024, told podcasters, “What I want to do and what I will do is you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma a green card to be able to stay in this country.”
This lends slightly more credence to the theory that he just catastrophically fucked up the messaging.
 
Your dual citizenship is always relevant because you always make it painfully obvious what your interests are with a insulting lack of subtlety
i work in tech you rage addicted nigger, i literally just survived a layoff where a few of my colleagues who have children who depend on them lost their jobs to a pajeet that they were "incentivized" to train

you're so brainless that you think my disagreeing with you on Israel/Zionism means I disagree with you on everything else and that it's not possible that i would have a neutral nuanced take on something where I put my own biases aside

This lends slightly more credence to the theory that he just catastrophically fucked up the messaging.
very clearly saying "you can pay us to train you but you can't get a job here"
 
Cucking on h1b is the end of the world as far as supporting him goes and i am not the only one who feels that way
I guess it ultimately comes down to…so what are you gonna support instead? Not like there’s a bunch of options unless you want to go a-fedpostin’. And it isn’t even like he is running for reelection anyway so support here is kinda tenuous.
 
My skitzotheory is that Trump negotiated with the dems behind the scene. In order to end the shutdown, he had to keep the chinese students, leave the colleges alone and keep doing H1B. Its a win for the dems because it humilates his base and maintains their recruitment centers.

Or he's just a retard. Who knows!
 
OH MY GOD THE SAME INTERVIEW AS YESTERDAY! WITH NO CHANGE IN TRUMP'S SHITTY, UNCHANGED STANCE ON TEMP IMMIGRANT WORKERS AND STUDENT VISAS!
How will we recover?
 
This lends slightly more credence to the theory that he just catastrophically fucked up the messaging.
Like @mandatorylurk said, he probably has it in his head that this is all just temporary training for highly technical factory jobs where the trainers leave after six months.
Similar to how he reacted to the WSJ Epstein love letter, he seems to just think everyone has a psychic understanding of the context in his head, and he doesn't need to clarify anything because he's the president.
 
The it's so over to we're so back cycle just keeps getting faster and faster.


I think Trump desperately wants to avoid a stock crash and given how precarious the market is, he is probably worrying more cuts to h1b and the like will trigger a massive crash. Not saying it's the right choice, but I am saying I think Trump likes his stock market to not drop below double digit returns.
If the fucking stock market needs the worthless head-bobbling wage-slaves that take 25 to do in five days what one decently-paid actual fucking American could do in five minutes then it is entirely fake and is going to eventually crash anyway.
 
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