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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Made In Wales said:
Make savings non-taxable and encourage people to look after themselves.
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This is something we should all be doing. BUT it’s hard to do when you’re taxed so much and wages are so low. People can only save what they have left over after necessary expenses . We don’t earn enough.
We have a median wage of about 32k in this country, and that’s heavily skewed by London.
If we are going to take away the safety net, and make people save for themselves, we HAVE to make them ABLE to save. A couple pulling in minimum wage are taking home about 1600 each after tax a month. How are they possibly going to be able to put aside enough for retirement on that?
I earn over median wage, but frankly I’m underpaid - my American equivalents get 3-5x what I do and are taxed less. I don’t spend frivolously, we have one car that’s about 13 years old and we’ve not been abroad on holiday for years. I save as much as i can, and even if I’d been on that wage since I was 24 ( which I haven’t) I’d still not be able to save enough to retire comfortably.
They are going to take the state pension, I’m assuming even my age group won’t get it, and I’m relying on my work pension and separate savings, but it’s not easy to save.
So yes - savers need tax breaks please. The responsible just get taxed and taxed I to oblivion. Eradicate inheritance tax as well. I’ve been taxed on the income, taxed on the savings and then they ta it again when I die .id rather do a KLF and burn the lot
 
Sounds.... familiar.... protect the Belgians.... hmmm
Britain is sending anti-drone equipment and personnel to Belgium after a spate of sightings near airports and military bases, the head of the U.K. military said Sunday.
In the past week both Belgium’s main international airport at Brussels and Liege, one of Europe’s biggest cargo airports, were forced to close temporarily because of drone incursions. That came after a series of unidentified drone flights near a military base where U.S. nuclear weapons are stored.
Air Chief Marshal Richard Knighton, the head of Britain’s armed forces, said the U.K. had agreed to “deploy our people, our equipment to Belgium to help them,” after a request from Belgian authorities.
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Saw a lot of armed police in town, shame the fucking Xmas markets are up in Cathedral Square/Pigeon Park. I feel like Remembrance this year has been 'tainted' (for lack of a better word) by Mr Shenstone's remarks, was it all worth it? Were those young boys from my hometown who went to 'fight for womens rights and democracy' in Afghanistan while women get stabbed indiscriminately here worth it?
Anyway Mamood (mahmood? hamood? fuck if i know) is '''''looking''''' at Danish style migration rules. Nothing will change until they directly adress and scrap the companies/NGOS/quangos/everyone involved in the migration and ''asylum'' process and do something about the alleged approval quotas.
 
Goose the Redeemer said:
No police here, but, there weren't nearly as many people as usual and it was very quiet. No oldies wheeled out, only one "biker", and not a single crying baby.

A "new normal", I suppose...
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It probably varies quite a bit depending on the area. The turn out here(*) was very much larger than in recent years, though the usual bikers were notably absent.

(*) non-descript working class rural town. Early to adopt ‘raising the colours’.
 
Afternoon news bits from the People's Channel:

* Veterans furious as hundreds of migrants cross Channel on Remembrance Sunday

* Britain to deploy military personnel in Belgium to protect EU nation from 'Russian drone incursions'

* BBC WILL apologise for doctoring Donald Trump’s January 6 speech as pressure piles on Tim Davie to resign

* Rachel Reeves accused of 'betrayal' as Budget tax hike could slash Scotland's budget by £1bn (Jings, crivens and help their boab!)

* Patriotic Briton takes matters into his own hands as he makes OWN poppies after lack of town displays

* UK weather: Britain braced for brutal freeze as temperatures plunge to -5C later this month (get your thermals out!)

* Anita Dobson, 76, concedes East London now 'unrecognisable' as she admits 'we're not a society anymore': 'Lost a sense of community!'

* British entrepreneur Dan Miller reveals how he skipped university to become a millionaire aged 25 - and how your children can do the same

* 'Free speech victory!' Judge rules criticism of Islam counts as a protected belief under equalities law

* Palestine Action protester on the run from prison after 'being freed for wedding' in latest jail fiasco

* Ryanair refuses to refund flight for Huntingdon train attack hero

* Migrants could be forced to repay 'whole cost' of hefty asylum and hotel fees

* Doctor who joked about gassing Jews and said Holocaust denial videos were ‘pretty convincing’ is let off with a warning

* David Lammy 'did a runner' after mistakenly released prisoner scandal engulfed Deputy Prime Minister

* Remembrance Sunday: Where is Nigel Farage? - Reform UK leader's absence explained (actually, he was at a remembrance service in Walton-on-the-Naze)

* Home Office eyes 14 sites to house 10,000 migrants around the country in leaked memo (when the leaks are coming out, Civil Servants are in open rebellion...)

* Sir Rod Stewart, 80, fans fiercely defend singer as he sparks fury with 'inappropriate' Remembrance Festival performance: 'Not in the spirit!'
 
Soggy paper straw said:
I will keep saying: blacks have higher rates of schizophrenia, especially for immigrants (which him or his family are, and schizophrenia is passed down), and this is the fact that is not being talked about
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Even if you take hereditary mental illness out of the picture, I still think immigrants are more likely to be socially disruptive purely due to the fact that moving to a foreign country is incredibly destabilising.

I know the modern belief is that anyone can just go and live anywhere and it'll be absolutely fine but that isn't true. People massively fail to understand how important culture is and how profoundly damaging it is to have to exist outside of your native culture. This applies even when you're talking about moving between countries with a shared language and even in the era of the Internet. National cultures still exist and they have a profound impact on people's mindsets. Living in a foreign culture is extremely bad for your mental health in my opinion, and it's even worse when you've moved under some kind of duress.

This applies to white people as well as non-whites, by the way: "expat" UK/Euro/US communities in African countries are insanely fucked up, a lot of them just become the most disgusting people, even if they started out pretty normal. The way they act is like they are basically amoral all of a sudden, because they are no longer bound by the social norms and expectations of their home country, but they are also not part of the native population of their adopted home, so they exist in a kind of Wild West/limbo. It's like the moral/behavioural equivalent of sudden atmospheric decompression: it all just flies apart.

Migration should be treated MUCH more seriously than it currently is.
 
tack så mycket said:
Even if you take hereditary mental illness out of the picture, I still think immigrants are more likely to be socially disruptive purely due to the fact that moving to a foreign country is incredibly destabilising.

I know the modern belief is that anyone can just go and live anywhere and it'll be absolutely fine but that isn't true. People massively fail to understand how important culture is and how profoundly damaging it is to have to exist outside of your native culture. This applies even when you're talking about moving between countries with a shared language and even in the era of the Internet. National cultures still exist and they have a profound impact on people's mindsets. Living in a foreign culture is extremely bad for your mental health in my opinion, and it's even worse when you've moved under some kind of duress.

This applies to white people as well as non-whites, by the way: "expat" UK/Euro/US communities in African countries are insanely fucked up, a lot of them just become the most disgusting people, even if they started out pretty normal. The way they act is like they are basically amoral all of a sudden, because they are no longer bound by the social norms and expectations of their home country, but they are also not part of the native population of their adopted home, so they exist in a kind of Wild West/limbo. It's like the moral/behavioural equivalent of sudden atmospheric decompression: it all just flies apart.

Migration should be treated MUCH more seriously than it currently is.
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Diasporas are often the very worst of their ‘nation’. They take their home culture, superstitions, practices, religion, language and all that stuff, and blow it up out of all proportion as an identity marker vs the host country they’re living in. It’s how you ended up with most of the IRA funding coming from the US, for example.

Been on a wander today. Visited Leicester. No flags, saw about 10 white faces all day (wish I was joking there). Long journey home, to find my city covered in England flags and not a fuck given, even though there’s plenty of non-white faces here too. Like, literally streets at the back of housing estates and tucked away in narrow terraces - St George’s flags hanging from street lamps and bedroom windows in street after street after street. No, it’s not fucking racist to fly the national flag of England in England. If precious arseholes believe it’s associated with racism, perhaps they should try associating the flag with something they believe is non-racist, cos they sure as shit aren’t getting a new country flag.

What the hell happened to Leicester? It was never the most enthralling of cities, but fucking hell. It resembles an Indian city now, not a British one. So many shops and temples and whatever signs in wiggleroons (or whatever their script is called). Diasporas, man. They’re the fucking worst.
 
I spent time living in Canada, on their young persons working visa scheme. I was there legally, paid my taxes, and respected their laws and customs.

Even then, as someone says above, even as a thing I chose to do voluntarily, it was destabilising. It made me question a lot of my thoughts,beliefs and views and while it was a good thing for me, it was difficult. And I come from a white, Western country, and while my family has it's issues, they are loving and supportive in their own way.

When someone from a batshit insane festering boil of a hole does the same it will be a recipe for disaster. And when it's a "British National" whose parents were allowed in, it's worse.

It highlights how these vermin are given special and preferential treatment and allowed to be base, rank savages.

They think they're fooling is by calling them "British Nationals". We all know there's people who lurk on here who are involved in the 77th. You guys need to know that this is fooling literally fucking nobody. It is not working. Your efforts are making people hate TPTB even more.
 
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still think immigrants are more likely to be socially disruptive purely due to the fact that moving to a foreign country is incredibly destabilising.
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There is a reason exile was a punishment

@Made In Wales regarding rhe flu.. here is the key quote;

Prof Lewis argues this is "absolutely the most important year" to get vaccinated and that "if you have been called by your GP, please get your flu vaccine as soon as possible".
However, this year's vaccine is not a perfect match to the mutated virus.
The decision on the design of the vaccine was made in February to give enough time to produce the millions of doses necessary - and then the new mutant emerged in June.

As often happens, the vaccines haven’t picked up the strains that are most severe or prevalent. It’s a guessing game and it often fails. If you’re in a high risk group, then it’s generally worth getting a shot, I won’t be.
Everyone should keep their vitamin D levels up, eat healthily, and practice good hygiene. We are due a spicy flu year, we’ve not had one for a while.

Otterly prediction; this will be spun as a reason for us to switch to mRNA flu shots, and / or to reduce the length of time it takes to produce new shots ‘so we can respond faster.’
 
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Diasporas are often the very worst of their ‘nation’. They take their home culture, superstitions, practices, religion, language and all that stuff, and blow it up out of all proportion as an identity marker vs the host country they’re living in.
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Exactly this. Emigrants tend to take on a massively exaggerated version of their national character as a way of clinging onto their identity in the face of a totally alien culture. If they choose to live together and hire each other and socialise exclusively with each other, you end up with a ghetto where people are hyperfocused on their national origins and how much better Home is than Here (even though they left Home because they hated it and they venerated Here for years before they even arrived - this makes the confusion even more toxic).

Even when the people involved are from a relatively innocuous place like Australia, New Zealand or South Africa (white SA obviously), this can be unpalatable to natives of the host nation, and understandably so.

Emigration is much more complicated and complex than people think it is.
 
Made In Wales said:
Some happier news: Honesty boxes should be dying like cash. But many are flourishing
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I was reading that earlier. The one thing all these honesty boxes had in common was that they're all rural or semi-rural. You don't see them anywhere urban. The most urban place I ever saw one was near Stirling, but even that was over the Forth in Cambuskenneth, rather than in the city itself.
 
A drop of good news:

Criticism of Islam is ruled a legally protected belief - after man was banned and fined thousands of pounds over social media posts​

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The view that Islam is problematic and should be criticised is a protected belief under equalities law, an employment tribunal has ruled.

Patrick Lee is pursuing a belief discrimination claim against the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries (IFoA) after it banned him and fined him nearly £23,000 last year over a series of tweets criticising Islam.

Mr Lee's posts, made in 2020, condemned doctrines he said justified violence, inequality for women and homosexuals and hatred towards religious groups.

He labelled Islam as 'morally bankrupt', a 'dangerous cult' and a '1300 year old con trick', while the Prophet Mohammed was referred to as a 'monster', the IFoA's disciplinary body said.

It said out of 83 tweets, 42 were offensive or inflammatory and 29 specifically demeaned Muslims.

At a preliminary hearing held by video link at the London Central Employment Tribunal in July of this year, Employment Judge David Khan ruled that Mr Lee had established that he genuinely held the pleaded belief, which meets the definition of a 'protected belief' under section 10(2) of the Equality Act 2010.

The judge wrote: 'I do not find that these tweets and the pleaded belief are mutually exclusive. Nor incompatible.

'I find that the claimant's evidence in relation to these tweets, that he was inveighing against the offending doctrines and practices because they continued to be treated as authentic and officially sanctioned by Islamic leaders, was not inconsistent with the pleaded belief.'

Mr Lee, an atheist, holds the belief that Islam 'particularly in a traditional form - rather than a reformed, modernised, moderate and Westernised form - is problematic and deserving of criticism', the tribunal heard.

He argued that his intention is to raise legitimate questions and generate debate, saying that the IFoA's treatment of his beliefs is 'problematic' for western democracies.

A final hearing in February will be held to decide whether his posts were an expression of his protected belief.

The Free Speech Union said: 'This is a landmark victory, not least because it renders the Government's efforts to roll out an official definition of 'Islamophobia' largely pointless.

'If describing Islam as "backward", "a con trick", "a dangerous cult", "the root of the evil" and calling the Prophet Mohammed a "monster" are all expressions of an "Islamic-critical" belief that's protected by the Equality Act, trying to ban people from saying these things in the workplace won't be possible.

'The judge in this case has grasped the important distinction between disrespecting a belief and disrespecting a person who holds that belief.

'Too often, robust criticism of Islam is treated as a form of harassment against Muslims and conflating the two has had a chilling effect on free speech.'
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Eekum Bokum said:
Can't Belgium do it themselves?
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I doubt that Belgium have much of an army - Hercule Poirot, Tintin and Vincent Kompany don't count.


Some readable/non paywalled news bits:


Care workers charged following BBC Panorama probe




BBC bosses treating 'systemic bias' allegations seriously, Nandy says




HMRC to review suspending 23,500 child benefit payments




Man accused of sexually assaulting boy at campsite dies in jail




Neurodivergent children left to 'fall through the cracks'




Edit: In the Autumn Series, England and Ireland record wins against Fiji and Japan respectively, whilst Scotland were very close to denying New Zealand and picking up their first ever win against the All Blacks...

However, Wales continued to crash and burn losing 28-52 at home to Argentina with a lot of empty seats on view.

The WRU continue to fuck the national game up and blame everybody but themselves.
 
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I doubt that Belgium have much of an army - Hercule Poirot, Tintin and Vincent Kompany don't count.
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It’s okay, the ‘Russian drones’ are probably as imaginary as Poirot and Tintin. Local dickeads with drones and no fucks to give are a whole lot more likely, but that wouldn’t funnel billions into NATO coffers.

Goddamn, Europe is a shitshow.

The rugby has been absolutely mental. That Scotland game v the All Blacks was a fantastic listen. So damn close! Wales seem to have this thing where they bring through a great crop of youngsters, play awfully for a while with just them until they really bed in together, then stick with the same pool of players until they retire, to do it all over again. Doesn’t feel like there’s a constant flow of new and young players to back up and switch out the older ones gradually.
 
There's a dearth of talent coming through as well in Wales - Ben Williams (Llanelli) and Morgan Morse were tipped as stars of the future, but both haven't progressed as much as we thought they would.

With one region being axed, it's only going to get worse going forward.

Oh well, at least Louis is back in the team and he looked pretty decent.

Some interesting news, according to 'George M' on YouTube: Bonnie Blue wants Starmer to stop the boats and she won't shag illegal migrants:


I've got slightly more respect for her.
 
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