US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Current members of the House of Representatives
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Current members of the US Supreme Court
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Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

That's because they know they're going to retake the legislature in 2026.

That remains to be seen. They're feeling confident because of the shutdown making people generally angry combined with Tuesday's elections, but there's plenty of time to right the ship once things settle down, especially if SCOTUS overturns 65.

 

[WelperHelper99]

>Looks into thread after all day

What the hell is this dooming niggers? We just broke the shutdown record and THATS A BAD THING? Are you fucking insane??? The longer government stays shutdown the better. More damage to the dems.

As for the elections: concerning for long term prospects, but can be corrected by 2026. Trump needs to get costs down rapidly and jobs popping out of the gutters, but he can. Holy shit people stop feeling mind raped. It's not over.

 

[Bindo]

I don't know how judges are still able to block his firings after SCOTUS told them they can't make nationwide injunctions.

They are able to because the Executive is allowing them to.

I hate it, but it really is that simple.

 

[DicksOutForBurgers]

That remains to be seen. They're feeling confident because of the shutdown making people generally angry combined with Tuesday's elections, but there's plenty of time to right the ship once thing settle down, especially if SCOTUS overturns 65.

And that overconfidence can be their undoing.

 

[FlappyBat]

Dems want a one-year extension on the tax credits.

That's better than I expected. They must be feeling the heat too. Not so emboldened after all.

Of all the gibs to be angry about, that is pretty far down the list for me. Shit is expensive and it's a step up from Medicaid where you get it for free. If that's all they want, that's a good deal as far as I'm concerned.

I'm assuming this is just the ACA emergency tax credits, not other stuff.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Dems want a one-year extension on the tax credits.

That's better than I expected. They must be feeling the heat too. Not so emboldened after all.

That just means they want to do the exact same tactic during the midterms lmao. It would be safer to extend it two years than one.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

What will be happening is that Red States like all states in the country are going to be hit with major labor shortages for pretty much every institution you need to keep a country running. It's already starting, and even opening right now isn't going to fix everything, but will prevent things from getting worse and get everything moving again.

What Trump needs to learn from this is that the rot has infected integral parts of the federal government. There are people he just can't fire because there is no one currently available to take those jobs. We need to start getting Republicans in the federal sector.

Labor shortages also lead to wage increases. Maybe don't use slave labor for major industries? Just a thought. That festering wound had to be debrided sooner or later.

As for the difficulty of federal workers crying about being made redundant, who cares? The Democrats can cry about the budget until the cows come home, but the government will eventually re-open and a lot of people will wonder what it was all for. What will the average American get out of the shutdown? The answer is nothing. Nigs will nog and communists will whine. So what?

 

[Conan]

Imperials are the Master Race, Italians.

>Gets fucked by thalmor
>Gets cucked by Ulfric Stormchad
>Loses the empire
>Glownigger oculatus can't even defeat the dark brotherhood without dragonborn (Nord) help

Mama mia!

 

[DicksOutForBurgers]

That just means they want to do the exact same tactic during the midterms lmao.

Then we need to start doing shit now to make sure when the government inevitably shuts down again, they don't have control of the federal agencies needed to run the country. The more time we have to get shit done, and pass things that further our goals, the better.

Of all the gibs to be angry about, that is pretty far down the list for me. Shit is expensive and it's a step up from Medicaid where you get it for free. If that's all they want, that's a good deal as far as I'm concerned.

I'm assuming this is just the ACA emergency tax credits, not other stuff.

Eh, it's not the greatest thing in the world but there are worse things they could ask for. 6/10 compromise.

 

[George Lucas]

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This is so fucking stupid, shit like this is how I know our or political system or at least legal code is running on borrowed time

So the argument is any federal level judge can unilateraly veto any action by congress UP TO AND INCLUDING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT as well as veto any action by the president that they "find to be inconsistent with the consitutuion" witch once again, judicial review IS NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

So the legislative passes a unpopular law to use tax payer money to feed the masses
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They are saying they can judicial review this because it violates OUR right to due process some fucking how, they are just picking and choosing. Extrajudicial killings in the Caribbean? NOTHING, desperately needed domestic reform? "uh uh uh buddy, you need to go through 7 years of bureaucratic red tape so the people are screwed over"

You can’t be a Constitutionalist and also be against judicial review. That doesn’t make sense. Either the Constitution is binding and therefore a law can be reviewed or the Constitution is not binding and therefore a law cannot be reviewed. You can’t have a binding Constitution if there’s no body to bind it to.

 

[I mean I'm just saying]

What will be happening is that Red States like all states in the country are going to be hit with major labor shortages for pretty much every institution you need to keep a country running.

As for the difficulty of federal workers crying about being made redundant, who cares?

The concern I see echoed most in person is around areas where the government is a major employer in an otherwise job-poor area. Obviously those workers are feeling the pain, but more importantly there are many businesses in the area (and a wider area than you'd think) that depend on money from those workers and are really hurting without their patronage.

End of the world? Not even close. But it's enough to generate surprisingly bad PR- much worse than you'd think when the sentiment online is generally that only government workers are affected.
The target of that bad PR is kind of up in the air, but I do see a lot of people who aren't very politically engaged default to blaming Trump because he's the big name in power right now despite there being a lot evidence that dems have at least just as large of a hand in it. It's reasonable to think red states we're talking about here will go full in on blaming dems, but there's no way to know for sure right now.

 

[obsdj]

That remains to be seen. They're feeling confident because of the shutdown making people generally angry combined with Tuesday's elections, but there's plenty of time to right the ship once things settle down, especially if SCOTUS overturns 65.

"There's plenty of time to right the ship" is exactly the same kind of complacency and lack of a sense of urgency that leads to us losing, time after time after time. Yes, a lot of unpredictable shit can happen between now and next year but we can't afford to put our feet up and take it easy. Our lawmakers should be making fucking laws, our judges should be shooting down the left's bullshit, and the executive should be executing.

 

[Ranine Avatar]

.mil/reserves can cover some of it, but there was always going to be a great deal of pain that came with righting the ship.

And despite that, it still must be righted.

Unfortunately, President Trump is more concerned that Line Go Up, so instead of some short term pain, this is probably going to end in a fair-to-large amount of literal bloodshed sooner or later.

Do you know what happens to CEOs and presidents when the line doesn't go up? It's not a characteristic of individuals. It's largely a feature of collective decision making when stakeholders support those who best serve their short term interests.

You'd need an actual dictator to do otherwise, whether that's FDR or Hitler or the version of Trump that haunts the nightmares of left wing retards (based).

 

[DicksOutForBurgers]

"There's plenty of time to right the ship" is exactly the same kind of complacency and lack of a sense of urgency that leads to us losing, time after time after time. Yes, a lot of unpredictable shit can happen between now and next year but we can't afford to put our feet up and take it easy. Our lawmakers should be making fucking laws, our judges should be shooting down the left's bullshit, and the executive should be executing.

Then let them do that. Open the government.

 

[George Lucas]

Then let them do that. Open the government.

And the mask comes off lmao.

 

[Keystone]

Khajit are North Africans. Redguards are black Spartans. Argonians are Gypsies. Bretons are the French and Nords are Vikings. Dunmer are Indians, Orcs are niggers, Altmer are the British, and the Bosmer are Jews. Imperials are the Master Race, Italians.

Never ask a Nord his wife's race.

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

As for the elections: concerning for long term prospects, but can be corrected by 2026. Trump needs to get costs down rapidly and jobs popping out of the gutters, but he can. Holy shit people stop feeling mind raped. It's not over.

"Vivek 2026" —Welperhelper

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

>Gets fucked by thalmor
>Gets cucked by Ulfric Stormchad
>Loses the empire
>Glownigger oculata can't even defeat the dark brotherhood without dragonborn (Nord) help

Mama mia!

Peaks and valleys, my Cimmerian friend. Peaks and valleys.

 

[DicksOutForBurgers]

And the mask comes off lmao.

Bro, fine. Keep the government shutdown. I'm still offering that bet btw. If you want to put your money where your mouth is on what 2026 will look like let me know.

 

[StudMccool]

You can’t be a Constitutionalist and also be against judicial review. That doesn’t make sense. Either the Constitution is binding and therefore a law can be reviewed or the Constitution is not binding and therefore a law cannot be reviewed. You can’t have a binding Constitution if there’s no body to bind it to.

Yea its called the legislative branch, they pass and revise laws, THATS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, we dont need a body of unelected pompous ASSOLES who spend all day in literal judgment of others on the tax payers dime. I couldn't fathom a more low existence than sitting in judgment of my fellow man all day, I think only Eunichs should be allowed to be judges and they should have less than 0 ability to effect federal policy and no one would be compelled to serve as a judge.

there is no such thing as Check(s) and Balance(s) there is only check and balance, ying and yang. The legislative passes laws, the president can veto them, then congress can override that veto with a 2/3rds result. At each phase the peoples chosen representatives are the ones handling ALL AUTHORITY. The idea some dipshit unelected from Decatur Texas can just say "nope I disagree with this" and nuke policy set forth by DULEY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES IS NOT JUST TRYANNY ITS RULE BY BASTARDS.