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Should be a wild four years.

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This same sentiment can be applied to literally any single leader in history, i patiently wait for these people to name me something Hitler did that Stalin or any other dictator didn’t do.
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Ah yeas Schrödinger’s founding father, the founding fathers are simultaneously brave revolutionary lefties but also evil right wingers that allowed slavery. I think trying to ascribe such notions of the modern definition of left and right onto people who had no concept or idea of such things is stupid and misses out on important historical context.
 
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/democrats-republicans-peace-party https://archive.is/YhtG0

Democrats Have Let Republicans Become the ‘Peace’ Party

Trump’s successful diplomatic efforts have put the lie to the idea that there was nothing Biden and the Democrats could have done to end the massacre in Gaza, seriously undermining any claim that Democrats might make as the party of peace.​

Whether Trump can bring an end to the fighting in Ukraine before his term ends is an open question. His newfound enthusiasm for peacemaking, though, leaves his opposition, the Democrats, in a quandary. Biden’s term as president coincided with the onset of the two military conflicts that have come to dominate the 2020s, in Ukraine and Gaza. In both cases, Democrats, and much of the Republican establishment too, quickly lined up behind the US’ nominal allies: Israel and Ukraine. As the conflicts dragged on, though, a strain of isolationist skepticism provided an off-ramp for many Republicans, exemplified by members of Congress like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.).
Meanwhile, Biden and other Democratic leaders were doubling down on their support for prolonging both conflicts. In Ukraine, Democrats repeatedly advocated for and voted to approve the shipment of weapons, even as the US’ own internal assessments were dubious about Ukraine’s chances for success. By 2024, unfaltering support for President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Ukraine’s army had become largely identified with the Democrats, while Republicans dithered.
And then there was Gaza. As Democratic Party leaders pledged undying fealty to Israel, the party’s base began to sour on US complicity in the wanton slaughter playing out in Gaza. While more international bodies confirmed that Israel’s onslaught there met the criteria for genocide, the Biden administration was unstinting in its support. Heading into 2024, signs mounted that Biden’s reelection bid (and, subsequently, Kamala Harris’ campaign) were threatened by constituents’ discontent over the administration’s Israel policy. Despite the gathering storm clouds, the party could not bring itself to depart from its initial hard-line support, even going as far as to bar a Palestinian-American speaker from its 2024 convention floor.
The massive disconnect between the Democratic Party’s leadership and its base is sure to have ramifications far beyond last year’s election. Recent polling has revealed that just 8% of Democratic voters are supportive of Israel’s “military action” in Gaza; meanwhile, just 55 of the 214 Democratic representatives in Congress (only 26%) support a bill to halt weapons shipments to Israel. The dealignment between Democrats’ base and elected leadership on this issue could hardly be more stark.
Trump’s successful diplomatic efforts have put the lie to the idea that there was nothing Biden and the Democrats could have done to end the massacre in Gaza, seriously undermining any claim that Democrats might make as the party of peace.

As I pointed out a while back, the entire Democrat/shitlib platform is basically this:
“We have to have an endless war in the Ukraine because of democracy values or whatever but also we need to slaughter tens of thousands of children and elderly in Palestine, also because of democracy or something."
 
I saw a few of the paid protesters declaring victory on Facebook. "THOUSANDS of protesters and only like 10 MAGA counter-protesters! Totally proves Drumpf has NO support!"

No, it proves Trump supporters have jobs, families, and better places to be. Even the "counter-protesters" I saw just walked by waving flags and left after a bit of trolling, or drove by and rolled coal on all the dumpy retirees.
Or they know to stay away. There's a video floating around of a guy trolling some crowd yesterday. Someone stole his glasses and he eventually got injured while chasing the guy who stole them.
 
Ah yeas Schrödinger’s founding father, the founding fathers are simultaneously brave revolutionary lefties but also evil right wingers that allowed slavery.
I know these lunatics love claiming Lincoln loved himself some brown suga', but are they now also trying to claim he'd totally be a tranny chaser if given the chance too?

Wonder if they know he was pro-gun rights and didn't particularly object to the "3/5ths of a person" valuation of niggers.
 
13 seconds in, I just can't.

How do women even humor this shit? Honestly. It's a minstrel show, you're the joke and your kids are getting groomed.
My best guess is that troons would threaten and then assault the women. If they're in a hellhole like CA their kids would be taken for good measure. But yes it's basically womanface.
 
It was an explicit tribute, that music was playing at the event it wasn't added in on youtube lol
Any bets on if the devs get hounded about ‘supporting fucking fascism’ even though they obviously had no idea it was going to happen?

Oh wait the dude that murked Charlie Kirk made a Helldivers reference on one of his bullets.
 
My best guess is that troons would threaten and then assault the women. If they're in a hellhole like CA their kids would be taken for good measure. But yes it's basically womenface.
I hate how accurate this probably is.

Having tried (and failed) to get a good friend away from a violent abuser husband, it's frustrating how astonishingly fucking STUPID women are about willingly staying in openly-dangerous situations, especially in the presence of threats of violence.

One night after telling a group of us (we were all a big circle of friends back in the day) how her husband beat her regularly, forbade her answering the phone or making phone calls in his absence or leaving the house for any reason except with his explicit permission (given daily), four of us loaded up in my big pickup, car seat in hand (she had a 1-year-old son with this prick), and showed up at her doorstep one morning we knew he'd be at work. Told her "we're here to get you and your son out of here, pack what you need and we'll get it loaded up. First stop is the hospital to deal with that shiner and those cuts on your head. And if he shows up to try to stop us we'll beat him until he stops moving -- you'll be safe, don't worry. We've arranged safe housing for you and the little one where this asshole can't find you."

She cried, gave us all hugs, told us how much she loved us for being such good friends, then told us to go home -- "I'll be okay, don't worry, he's a good man, he takes good care of us, etc." Blew our fucking minds. We all sorta gave up on her after that. Last any of us knew, he still beat her regularly and she'd pumped out a couple more kids for him, no interest in leaving or anything.
 
Ah yeas Schrödinger’s founding father, the founding fathers are simultaneously brave revolutionary lefties but also evil right wingers that allowed slavery. I think trying to ascribe such notions of the modern definition of left and right onto people who had no concept or idea of such things is stupid and misses out on important historical context.
The person who posted this tried to have their cake and eat it by saying that the Founding Fathers were progressives for their time (opposed to the status quo of the day) while also mentioning they were far more racist then even modern conservatives.

Excerpts from their second statement:
When I say progressive I mean "seeking to reduce hierarchy, structure, and reliance on tradition relative to the zeitgeist of the time" while when most people hear progressive they think the specific present manifestation of this in the 2020's. ie anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-white, pro-gay, pro-immigrant, etc.

When I say conservative I mean "seeking to maintain the hierarchy, structure, and reliance on tradition relative to the zeitgeist of the time" while when most people hear this term they think the specific present manifestation of this. ie Pro-Christian, pro-equal-rights-under-the-law, pro-property-rights, pro-nationalism, pro-family etc.

Obviously, the FF's were "conservative" by today's modern conception because to be a conservative today means to basically believe what the founding fathers did. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an ahistorical retard.

(They were actually far right white racists, far more right wing by todays standards than conservative mythology paints them, and thus would probably actually get called Nazi's by most modern conservatives. But this is a nitpick and besides the point)
However, the argument that they would have been perceived AT THE TIME as conservative (as seeking to maintain tradition, hierarchy, and structure of their present or previous generation), is much more contestable. And my argument is that actually the opposite, that they were progressive (radical anti-tradition, anti-hierarchy, egalitarians relative to the zeitgeist of the time) is a far more substantiated position
 
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People have wargammed such a scenario. Without air power it would literally take months.

Lmao

“it will all be over by Christmas”

In civil conflict the people in the cities just don’t wait to starve, they form armed requisition forces to strip the surrounding areas bare. This is again where I shill “when the music stops”

Chicago alone has like an army division sized police force let alone the national guard, state police and various other paramilitary law enforcement agencies. The ethnic police unions when they militarized
the PD. The police union spokesman openly said it was to prevent the largely white other parts of Illinois from starving them out of the balloon goes up

I think jb pritzker should be buck broken by the federal government, but one shouldn’t fail to understand it wouldn’t be just a few days. Unless ofc your willing to use AirPower which is even more unlikely
Yes and no. The thing is, Chicago would no doubt immediately go all nigger warlord and try to steal the food from everywhere nearby. In a SHTF situation the left is absolutely going to give up the thing veneer of civility and just declare "we aren't going hungry, get to work, we need food delivered by Sunday." The only question is if they go full mask off and start forcing brown and black slaves to do it or if they try and let them play warlord while they force white people to do it.

The problem is, day one, Chicago loses power, because every power line going towards it is destroyed and every Engineer they try to send out either flees for his life or is sniped by some good ol' boy with a hunting rifle. And even if they do get an engineer out to fix the power lines, they're destroyed again within hours. Even if Chicago puts down pseudo-military units to stop that shit, well, 1. they're being shot at constantly, 2. the lines are just destroyed further out, 3. the fucking not-rebelling regions nearby just cut them off.

The ComEd towers and transmission lines running into and around the outer parts of the city are all destroyed. Firebombed or just regular bombed or just hit with a fucking truck at 3 AM. Even the transmission lines between substations are targeted, and that shit cascades quickly. Chicago's power mains in the city proper are mostly underground... but they have substations where the above ground lines go underground, and they're targeted.

And that's assuming they're being rude. If they're being nice? They call ComEd and have the power turned off for the entire city. It can literally be done with a flick of the switch and a few switches being pulled at substations. Chicago has some small power plants and the like, but not enough to run the entire city. Even if they're running these constantly, 2, 3 days later, and the city goes dark.

The danger here would be other shitlibs and jews in the media trying to guilt everyone into just letting Chicago riot, turn the power back on, yes they've declared a civil war but look, sad brown people can't play netflix, don't you feel bad about sad brown people?

That's day one and it's a problem that lasts the entire time Chicago is in rebellion. No power.

No power means no communications, no entertainment, no HVAC. Any food they have is now rotting away, slowly then quickly. And that's assuming they can even get to Elgin or Palatine to GET to the food warehouses, because the fedboys know exactly where Chicago stores it's food, and that's either seized or bombed to shit by now.

No power also more importantly means no water and sewage. All of Chicago's water comes from Lake Michigan from a network of pumps that require a shitload of power. Similarly, without power it's waste just sits there in the system, going as far out and as deep down as gravity will send it... but there's a limit.

3 days in. That's when they have no water pressure left. A boil water order is sent out -- via carrier pigeon I guess, cause they have no fucking power now -- which means they have no way to boil water. If this starts Monday, by Thursday the water is not safe to drink -- and there's precious little of it left.

7 days in and the sewage is a huge fucking problem. You'll have dindus contaminating what very limited water resources they DO have, and that's before the sewage lines start backing up. If the system goes down for a full week, that shit is going into the Chicago river, and then right into the streets and basements. Welcome to Neo-India, only we're not a bunch of Jeetroaches so enjoy your dysentery, typhoid, and cholera. Even if you're not drinking the shit-water, Tyrone down the street washed that rotting chicken he stole from a family he killed with shit-water, so everyone in his tribe is now shitting and vomiting disease ridden waste everywhere.

Week one, I-55, I-90, I-94, I-80, I-290, and I-294 are all destroyed. Rail lines are destroyed not just at Chicago but up the chain too -- they can do it anywhere, and once done, they're useless until they're repaired -- and the fedboys say if you repair them you go to jail. Overpasses, bridges, interchanges, they're all bombed to shit, and IEDs are placed as gifts for the assholes they send (via gunpoint cause they learned what happened to the Engineers trying to get power back up) to fix that. And of course the second they do, they're shot at. To say nothing of the question -- who would be sending them supplies? Chicago doesn't exactly have any resources they could be trading for food et all.

So there's no fucking food coming in, no ammo coming in, unless the CCP or other rebelling blue states are sending help via helicopter or plane. A quick drone flying into an engine or two puts a stop to that, and that's just what local boys could do -- the fedboys could do worse.

Trash is also building up, cause Chicago has no place to send it's garbage. People will toss trash in the transfer stations to be taken to the dumps, but no roads means they fill up within days. Dump trucks have no where to take shit, fill up, and stop. Where does the trash go then? Streets. Alleyways. Basements. What does that bring to the city? Rats. Roaches. Even more disease.

Hospitals have no medicine. Gang violence -- niggers playing pretend warlord because the head niggers are playing pretend warlord too -- erupts, leading to mass casualty events. Trash + no hygiene + a collapse of the medical system.

Week 1. No power. No shipments in or out of the city. Water slows to a trickle. They might send out gangs to try and rob the suburbs, but the fedboys are there pretty quickly and the good ol' boys nearby now have de-facto permission to kill some shitty cityboys that have been smugly making their lives worse for generations. Even if they manage to loot dry the local suburbs, that just buys them a week, maybe two -- but it's far more likely they're stopped. Everyone who can flee, flees. Anyone left are either stupid, true believers, or prevented from leaving.

Week 2. Still no power. No food or almost no food. Water is poison. Diseases start breaking out. Trash is fucking everywhere.

By this time the dindus are rioting EVERYWHERE, setting fire to EVERYTHING, and thanks to no power, there's no water to put the fires out.

The only path out of this for Chicago is to somehow seize farmland around themselves, arrange press-gang farming or kidnap or entice local farmers, and somehow defend these militarily for upwards of a year. All while everyone is starving to death and every nigger chimp that can get something heavy or sharp or with some dakka is going "ooga booga gibs me dat."

Months? Maybe. But I suspect around week two the assholes who caused the problem will be dead -- either killed by the fedboys or by their own pet dindus demanding gibs -- and it'll turn into a "we need to stop the mother of all chimpouts and treat the survivors" type situation.
 
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This same sentiment can be applied to literally any single leader in history, i patiently wait for these people to name me something Hitler did that Stalin or any other dictator didn’t do.
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Ah yeas Schrödinger’s founding father, the founding fathers are simultaneously brave revolutionary lefties but also evil right wingers that allowed slavery. I think trying to ascribe such notions of the modern definition of left and right onto people who had no concept or idea of such things is stupid and misses out on important historical context.
Partially related, but they're teaching kids at these colleges that fascism is a right-wing form of politics. They even slathered it on Wikipedo and various dictionaries. Ditto about it being nationalist or authoritarian, those teachers will never mention Pol Pot's skull collections or Stalin's gulags. They don't care that Nazi was short for national socialist. What do they care about historical context when there's rhetoric to be made?
 
I think trying to ascribe such notions of the modern definition of left and right onto people who had no concept or idea of such things is stupid and misses out on important historical context.
He's not really doing that in a literal sense. What he is doing is the usual thing of defaulting to the idea that left = liberal, right = conservative. It's why I bitch about the terminology every couple weeks on here. It's absolutely fair to say that our founding fathers were more liberal than the brits that were oppressing them.

But that didn't make them modern day leftists; because the American left currently is an extremely conservative party. They are not open to free thinking, they are not open to change, they have a doctrine you're forced to never question or else you become an outcast.

Our founding fathers were trying to make a better country than the one that ruled over them. I'll let you guess between current Democrats and current Republicans which ideology they line up more with.
 
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