What do you think is the most socially damaging children's show ever released

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skykiii said:
Whenever a topic like this comes up, I'm always like "I hope this is a shitpost."

Because there's no such thing as a "socially damaging" children's show. That's some Jack Thompson shit right there.

Threads like this remind me of a Donald Duck comic I read as a kid:

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The story in this issue is Donald gets upset his nephews are reading comics. He takes and burns the comics, but then decides he's gonna show them how bad comics are for you by... dressing up as a villain and being extreme himself. The story ends with Donald getting arrested, and the nephews commenting "poor Donald, not understanding that comics are just make-believe!"

Really I kinda wish this moral were more common... that its often the people who crusade against "bad influences" that are too deep into it, not the people they're seeking to protect.
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If there is no such thing as a damaging children's show explain furries?
 
Disney in general is the most damaging children's entertainment and perhaps most damaging entertainment ever released in history overall. There is really no contest in the first part.

A furry porn cartoon of course is going to be much more noticeable and disgusting. As is a plainly woke cartoon today. But the Mouse through his seemingly innocent material has dug his hooks into our cultural psyche much more than any obviously offensive media could.

Many of the societal ills that plague us today can be traced to ideas Disney introduced and shaped in the minds of generations of young children. Of course you have the slop corporate consumerism and consumptionism that Disney was at the forefront of. But the Mouse also was big on the cutesifucation MANBAD anthropomorphism of animals that eventually turned everything from the pet 'furbaby' culture to PETAphiles to veganism and generally the worship of animals over humans today.

Disney after turning its back on its traditionalism was also instrumental in shaping and promoting modern feminism in the early 90s along with the cultural androgyny and girlboss culture which is so pervasive now. Today, as everybody knows of course, it is what is perhaps the foremost champion of cultural ideals of the corporate leftist faction today. Rivaled only by Silicon Valley and even then they specialize in different things.

The influence and pervasiveness of Disney cannot be overstated. Not just in America but across the world. As a society and for the modern left, particularly the corpoleft they have literally been defined by it. The world would have been different in ways we can scarcely imagine but perhaps much better if Disney had not existed or had not turned to darkness. Any other media mentioned simply pales in comparison.


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Postal_Rat said:
If there is no such thing as a damaging children's show explain furries?
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There was an accident when assigning souls and somehow people with animal souls ended up in human bodies. They're basically a cosmic mistake ;).

grump said:
But the Mouse also got the ball rolling on anthropomorphism of animals
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You do realize stories about animals with human characteristics was happening long before Disney (or indeed, animation) ever existed, right?

Also seriously I hope you're meme-ing. Disney making silly cartoons about animals with humanoid characteristics destroyed our societies? By that logic, Astro Boy or any other "robots that have human personalities" type media is responsible for AI slop.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying this to defend Disney. It's just that this is basically "imagination is bad" and a continuation of a pattern I've been seeing on KF as of late, the idea that any story that goes outside an increasingly-strict definition of "normal" needs to be stopped because of some subculture you don't like, which for some reason is being treated like its an epidemic when really its just some group of losers on reddit.
 
skykiii said:
It's just that this is basically "imagination is bad" and a continuation of a pattern I've been seeing on KF as of late, the idea that any story that goes outside an increasingly-strict definition of "normal" needs to be stopped because of some subculture you don't like, which for some reason is being treated like its an epidemic when really its just some group of losers on reddit.
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It's a big site and I haven't seen what you're talking about maybe it exists maybe it doesn't. I would also add that you're on the farms everything is the worst thing ever people seldom come here to be nice.

The thing is that I do fundamentally believe in the importance of imagination most Books, Movies, Television and games are well crap, forgettable garbage but haven't you ever had that moment when something that you've read or watched or played has changed you? Most of that time the change is for the better. I am a firm believer in the power of story telling so I can't help but believe that while it can help you, that it can also hurt you, the door has to open both ways. I'm not for constraining human expression though it doesn't work as advertised. Censorship doesn't just get rid of the bad stories and the bad ideas it gets rid of the good ones too, Further good ideas and good stories are more impactful than bad ones the vast majority of people have something akin to a mental immune system and there really isn't much you can do to help the people who don't.

Which from here we come to the question of what I think a harmful story even is and you might expect me to say it's anime or it's furries or it's about violence or sex or smoking or a billion other things but I don't think it is. GTA doesn't hurt people because well adjusted people don't take their morals from GTA. I also think that while fundamentally bad stories exist they actually pretty rare, most "bad" stories are really only bad for certain people, and at the end of the day you have to be able to trust that most people know what's good for them or there is no argument against totalitarianism. In my mind the real problems aren't things like GTA teaching you to kill or anything like that, rather I think the two areas in which media can be damaging to society are subtler than the sort of shit Jack Thompson worries about.

The first being the parts of movies and TV shows that lean on reality. To give a cut and dried example was the ubiquity of the emergency tracheotomy being performed in fiction started convincing idiots that this was a safe and routine procedure that even idiots like them could do, To say that paramedics were unhappy would be an understatement. To give a more contentious example would be the Captain Planet episode about overpopulation at which point it's not about the line between reality and fiction. Children are being lectured about the moral implications of family planning and arguably the morality of their own existence.

The second is something Jack Thompson would worry about if you sat down and explained it to him but he's not going to notice on his own and I think it's pretty rare what I would call the Totally Spies problem where children are being covertly exposed to the writers fetish. Every episode of that show is just the writers thinly veiled fetish for children it's deeply creepy to me.
 
skykiii said:
There was an accident when assigning souls and somehow people with animal souls ended up in human bodies. They're basically a cosmic mistake ;).


You do realize stories about animals with human characteristics was happening long before Disney (or indeed, animation) ever existed, right?

Also seriously I hope you're meme-ing. Disney making silly cartoons about animals with humanoid characteristics destroyed our societies? By that logic, Astro Boy or any other "robots that have human personalities" type media is responsible for AI slop.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying this to defend Disney. It's just that this is basically "imagination is bad" and a continuation of a pattern I've been seeing on KF as of late, the idea that any story that goes outside an increasingly-strict definition of "normal" needs to be stopped because of some subculture you don't like, which for some reason is being treated like its an epidemic when really its just some group of losers on reddit.
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Okay I guess it is a bit far to say they got the ball rolling. But still, Disney did move the needle very far with the sheer volume and influence of their cutesy marketable talking human animals with even the villain ones deemphasizing the more dodgy/dark characteristics of anthromorphic animals from older tales.

Can you really blame a corporation for profiting from marketable anthromorphic cutesy animal? I guess not. Should we ban cutesy anthromorphic animals? No. But being barraged with such portrayals along with MAN BAD and unrealistic nature shows, much of it also coming from Disney and having it form the basis of your concept of nature with no pushback has led to warped perceptions which are in part responsible for a lot of the crazy groups and fads we have today.
 
Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers

Specifically because of this bitch:
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If you had just said media I would have gone with the obvious Lola Bunny, but when it comes to shows I think Gadget lowkey fucked a lot of autistic niggas up for life.
 
Alcohol is my fren said:
Not a t.v. Show and not necessarily bad for “society” as a whole, but I want to give The Brave Little Toaster an honorable mention.

Secretly anthropomorphic appliances that don’t want to be thrown away or replaced and that experience death when they break down (the air conditioner scene),

to the murderous and terrifying clown that haunted Toaster’s dreams with forks and water,

the junkyard scene where all the discarded appliances and cars were loaded onto a conveyor belt to be crushed.

The scene where some repair shop dude gets them and then kills a blender in a way reminiscent to a horror movie about organ harvesting.

These were really heavy subjects and themes for a children’s movie, and some scenes were quite actually terrifying.
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Weird how over consumption and throwing away goods immediately on any sign of wear and tear is never adopted by the consoomers.
 
Overly Serious said:
Ah, I see like me you used dread that show, sitting there, as they detail some terrible crime and wondering... did they get a clear description of me?
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Lol no, I was a good boy :) most of the time anyway...

If you YT it, it's still bloody scary - the grey background, the typeface, the moving lips montage and the tune sounds like something like a Black Sabbath B side or something 80s composer Ed Welch might have knocked off whilst drunk at a synthesiser.

In the 2000s at least they changed the front and end caps and it wasn't as bad.

Strangely enough, it was a good idea and it did lead to a lot of arrests and information about crimes and criminals being passed on. It was just not well designed/thought out.

Whereas Crimewatch UK had an air of menace but a decent theme, Crimestoppers was just scary AF.

 
Irregardless said:
Sadly, due to faggots not leaving well enough alone, it was shown in the recent live action movie that she is canonically married to Zipper, the fucking fly, who also just so happened to apparently be a nigger.
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My solace is that movie is explicitly an alternate universe that takes a "the original show was... just a show" angle.

I never thought Rescue Rangers and Danganronpa would have something in common, but there ya go.
 
Made In Wales said:
Lol no, I was a good boy :) most of the time anyway...

If you YT it, it's still bloody scary - the grey background, the typeface, the moving lips montage and the tune sounds like something like a Black Sabbath B side or something 80s composer Ed Welch might have knocked off whilst drunk at a synthesiser.

In the 2000s at least they changed the front and end caps and it wasn't as bad.

Strangely enough, it was a good idea and it did lead to a lot of arrests and information about crimes and criminals being passed on. It was just not well designed/thought out.

Whereas Crimewatch UK had an air of menace but a decent theme, Crimestoppers was just scary AF.

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Oh, I know it. And it was on around a time that kids would still be in front of the TV and see it. It's a bit British-specific though and not actually a kid's show. I'm also a little of the opinion that scaring kids isn't necessarily a bad thing. Frankly, the old British PSA's which actually were aimed at small children were way scarier.

Nah, a little bit of scary is probably good for kids. What bothers me is bad morality or something which is just moronic.

I see a bunch of people talking about My Little Pony. I feel that's getting a bit of an unfair treatment because I think it was generally quite a moral show and wasn't some horrifying Ren & Stimpy art. The issue I believe was a bunch of terminally online late teens and older getting way too into a show for children and they're already adults by this point so don't count as social damage to kids.

And I don't think the ones that pushed toy lines like Transformers or He-Man were necessarily bad because of that. They could still have decent lessons for kids and be entertaining. I'd have to go with maybe Captain Planet as a product of both dubious message x widespread audience.

But I don't know modern kids TV - I'm happy to believe that Steven Universe is bad just on the basis that I knew a very Progressive woman (in her thirties) who watched it and praised it. That's a bad sign.
 
From personal experience being a mother: Peppa Pig.

My eldest was absolutely obsessed with it for a while and I noticed that her behaviour ended up being very similar to the bratty little shit that was Peppa Pig, to the point where, when I discovered I was pregnant with my twins, I decided to ban it. Wouldn’t let my eldest watch it after that point, and I have done my best to make sure that my other kids never watched it.

I don’t really know much about Caillou because to the best of my knowledge it never aired over here in the UK, but from what I’ve seen he’s equally as much of a little shitbag and should have been taken out a long time ago.
 
Haunted Tamagotchi said:
From personal experience being a mother: Peppa Pig.
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Soooo... are you related to Caddicarus?


To be honest, it sounds horrible, and I wouldn't know much about preschooler shows.

My own parents showed me and my sister just whatever, as long as it was a cartoon..... meaning one of the earliest animated movies I remember watching is Watership Down, which I had on a tape my dad made which followed it with The Jetsons Meet the Flintstones.

Surprisingly, I have no memory of ever having a "this show scared me as a kid" experience.
 
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