US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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LiquidKid said:
Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone is one of the few political books that did not become immediately outdated. It basically argues that our society is eroding and that while people still engage politically, they engage less in social activities and community participation and the other things that make up a society leading to mistrust, less opportunity, less corporation and a weakened democracy. Basically in the year 2000 he all but correctly predicted the current landscape we have today.
He blames it on suburbs and longer commutes giving no personal ties to the place you work, larger consumption of television and other media, the rise of dual income households, and a shift away from community values.
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Growing up in the late 90's/early 2000's I could feel this on an emotional level that I could not articulate at the time. I think it's part of why I found Fight Club to have a deeper meaning than, as I later found out, that the author was incredibly gay and possibly molested as a child.
 
RantyAndy said:
What are your favourite/most looked back upon political or history books?
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For history: Goodbye to All That (Evelyn Waugh in WWI), Quartered Safe Out Here (George MacDonald Fraser, WWII), and Eastern Approaches (Fitzroy Maclean and his experiences in the USSR and central Asia in the years running up to WWII). These are all excellent and I recommend them highly. I'll also toss in Endurance by Alfred Lansing, which covers the 1914-1917 Shackleton expedition to the South Pole. The book and the history are fucking awesome.
 
Blewberry Nausea said:
I vaguely remember a Star Trek episode where someone gets freaky with a third gender.
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riker wants to probe this alien he meets from a race of androgynous FREAKS and something something its wrong for
him to push his idea of sex onto some non-human culture and we roll to credits as he gets blue balls and his xenotroon goes back to planet tumblr

meanwhile lt. broccoli and geordi are having a double plap sesh with holodeck troi and leah brahms respectively
 
Levitcus prime24 said:
Reminds me of the video Dan “Im gonna spread cp on 8chan” Olsen did on flat earth ears only to spend 40 minutes of the video talking about qanon. Speaking of qanon they still exist? Feel like the died after 2023.
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QAnon these days is a relic from the first Trump administration whose high water mark was four years ago. Q stopped "posting" in December 2020 and a good numbers of its former supporters have become disillusioned or changed their views in some way. Biden's inauguration was particularly brutal to them apparently.
 
Conan said:
riker wants to probe this alien he meets from a race of androgynous FREAKS and something something its wrong for
him to push his idea of sex onto some non-human culture and we roll to credits as he gets blue balls and his xenotroon goes back to planet tumblr
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I hate that i remember this epsidoe.

The alien race non binaried themselves from having two sexes to one and then the alien agrees to go to conversion therapy
 
Conan said:
riker wants to probe this alien he meets from a race of androgynous FREAKS and something something its wrong for
him to push his idea of sex onto some non-human culture and we roll to credits as he gets blue balls and his xenotroon goes back to planet tumblr

meanwhile lt. broccoli and geordi are having a double plap sesh with holodeck troi and leah brahms respectively
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Nah it was an Enterprise episode I guess with Trip teaching the subjugated third gender person independence and then Scott Bakula denied them asylum so the person killed themselves.
 
Conan said:
riker wants to probe this alien he meets from a race of androgynous FREAKS and something something its wrong for
him to push his idea of sex onto some non-human culture and we roll to credits as he gets blue balls and his xenotroon goes back to planet tumblr
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This is one of the funniest descriptions i've read in a long time, thank you
 
Justsomecicada said:
pointless low hanging fruit video. It’s like debunking flat earthers.

“A civil war would be bad actually” has always been the super majority opinion. It’s just circlejerking and shadow boxing against an idea that essentially does not exist. Anyone who has read a history book knows war and especially civil war isn’t something you call for. War is bad

For every 70 iq retard calling for civil war there is like midwits who need to write paragraphs about how actually civil war is bad (NO SHIT)

seen the same in many threads here where some glupshitto tier tard calls for civil war and then there is 6 pages of smug midwits posting about how war would be bad. And now you don’t want that bro, as if your gonna convince someone that retarded anyway

Idk it’s the same vibe as people who feel the need to debooonk obvious nonsense like flat earthers and such. Like yes you’re right but being right about self evident shit doesn’t make you smart. Constantly talking about civil war and debating its merits is taking those retards seriously which shouldn’t be done
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You ain't strictly wrong here, but I watched this vid, he actually spends very little of it addressing people who are literally calling for civil war, which he stated was very few people, and I think that we all agree on this. Instead, he mostly rails against how these people end up affecting society at large, how they slowly but surely shift the conversation to a much more violent, divided place. His examples given were that people often describe their political opposition in the same way they'd describe enemies at war, dehumanizing them, describing their opponents as doing things that only an enemy would do.
And this I agree with, I think the tone has gotten too separationist, "We can't co-exist, they won't change, we won't change", over these last 10 years.

We've devolved into almost a holy war.
 
Blewberry Nausea said:
Nah it was an Enterprise episode I guess with Trip teaching the subjugated third gender person independence and then Scott Bakula denied them asylum so the person killed themselves.
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I can assure you lt. broccoli was in fact having gonzo autismic hologooning sex with photomaterium deanna "cries when she can't read your brain" troi.
this is the future roddenberry would have wanted
 
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RantyAndy said:
Out of curiosity, for the book-readers here (since they're being mentioned)

What are your favourite/most looked back upon political or history books? I admit, this question is simply to gain a read-list, as I'm newer to political and history books as a whole. Currently reading Frank Dikotter's "The Cultural Revolution: A People's History 1962 - 1976", and have Andy Ngo's "Unmasked" ordered.

I remember posting about how Antifa reminds me of the Red Guard a few weeks ago -- and my, such a statement proves true weeks later. At the very least, our current day commies are being dealt with, even if slooooooowly... Little did I know our own politicians -- Jay Jones -- would engage in the behavior or psychopath commies, but that's what I get for having expectations for the lefties.
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For American history, pre revolution read Albion's seed add to this American Nations. for the revolution read birth of the nation. An addition is Thomas caryle's French revolution. In the us the dominate force of the revolution were the "right-wing"/whig/Girondins force. Where in France it was the radical "left-wing"/Jacobin/proto-communist forces that won out. For more on the Jacobins occult/free mason/ Jewish cult influence read From From Frankism to Jacobinism by Jewish scholar Gershon Sholem.

Now that we generally understand the "enlightenment" elite has always had proto-communist elements and proto-occult elements. The different ethnicities and religious sects that had large effects on leaders and the population.

For the civil war Rhodes' The History of the Civil War" is great. For an "establishment view" of themselves starting from the beginning of the country until the first world war, focusing on the civil war read "March of democracy"

For a history of the 20th century nothing tops both Tradegy and Hope and Anglo-American Establishment. Practical idealism by Kalergi for a stark addition as what the end goal is. Along with The Milner-fabian conspiracy

For more on Intel agencies read the politics of heroin

For more on Israel read "rise and kill first"

This is just a small part of trying to reconstruct a whole mileu. how our "establishment" came together. How their ideology has morphed and changed over time. How coelitions were made made and broken. Their apologetics for their worldview and why they're wrong takes more reading.
 
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prollyanotherlurker said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KMya4xqAQMw
I used to watch this guys videos every once in a while. He's some lawyer that will talk about news and happenings. This is the first video I've seen from him in a little while.

I think some of the examples he gives are a bit dumb. But overall I think he's probably right. Although I think for most reasonable people they won't need to hear this. Because they can probably intuitively understand why a civil war would be really bad.
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The issue that I see now is that the Union has woken up and has taken control of the Federal Government. And in a dramatic irony, the Southern States are now the most fervant supporters of the Union.

Clown world has a final joke too play. And that Joke is the Texas Militia carrying the Union Flag too Illinois too put down conspiracy against the Union by the Democratic Party. This is so many levels of irony it is breaking the meter.

The issue right now is nobody actually realizes that "The Union" is awake. The only reason I am banging on about it is because I am a civil war autist. There has been so much print made about a "neo confederacy" or "the south rising again". There has not been much thought on what it would mean for The Union of the civil war too come back.

But it HAS. The talking points coming from the Trump Administration and federal agents on the ground in Illinois, California and Oregon are blasts from the past...of the Union Army. There is an ideological framework now active that the democratic party does not understand, it REFUSES too understand. Texas sending troops too Illinois is done for the same reason Illinois sent troops too Texas 150 years ago. The patrimony of the American People, who are one nation, indivisible, is being sundered by the Democrstic Party in the name of naked ambition and disloyalty too the nation.
 
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The Projects said:
You ain't strictly wrong here, but I watched this vid, he actually spends very little of it addressing people who are literally calling for civil war, which he stated was very few people, and I think that we all agree on this. Instead, he mostly rails against how these people end up affecting society at large, how they slowly but surely shift the conversation to a much more violent, divided place. His examples given were that people often describe their political opposition in the same way they'd describe enemies at war, dehumanizing them, describing their opponents as doing things that only an enemy would do.
And this I agree with, I think the tone has gotten too separationist, "We can't co-exist, they won't change, we won't change", over these last 10 years.
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That all makes sense and I agree with him there, kinda sounds like he should have titled the video to reference rhetoric in general because just from title and first 3 minutes it does come across like he’s talking about people literally calling for civil war

It’s titled you don’t want civil war
Which carries a implication the video is directed towards people who DO want it.

The dangerous rhetoric coming from media and politicans is just so much more dangerous then somone dumb enough to openly call for civil war, which seems to thr intention of the video from what you described
 
Sexual Chocolate said:
With cannibals you gotta dance right back at them to establish dominance
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I love this music video so much. The music is "okay" but it's Walken's choreography that really makes it a gem. He originally wanted to get into dancing and choreography rather than acting. I forget what changed his career trajectory (an injury, perhaps?) but I remember hearing when they were making this video they approached him about appearing in it, and he agreed on the condition that he was allowed to choreograph the whole thing. They said "dude, it's all yours" and we got this gem. Those grins on Walken's face during the video are genuine. Dude's having a lot of fun doing it.

The Secret Sauce said:
I'm not going to get excited about the administration's tough talk about Antifa until I see them brutalized en masse by a government entity.
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Yes, yes, we know, "it didn't all get fixed instantly in one single thing so therefore this is bad and nothing ever happens," it's never enough, blah blah blah.

Stupor Mario said:
Sure, understandable that she might attracted to him, but there's no way he would have fallen for her. During the ep, they made it seem like he's totally fallen for her, and he's devastated at the end when they're parted. C'mon, now! Riker only chased after hot women.
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And what with TNG being an episodic (syndicated) TV show from the 80's/90's, she was never mentioned by anyone ever again. Classic pump-n-dump, lol.
 
RantyAndy said:
What are your favourite/most looked back upon political or history books?
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Lots of books to recommend.

Politics:
Might not technically be politics, but when it comes to the authoritarian state, Orwell's 1984 is a must. Huxley's Brave New World is good, too. Another interesting Orwell book is Homage to Catalonia which is his first hand account of joining the Civil War in Spain to fight against the fascists. If you want an interesting read on presidential politics, Hunter S Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 in which he covers the Nixon/McGovern race is a great read. Even though he's pretty far left, I've found that Noam Chomsky's books on propaganda (Manufacturing Consent, Necessary Illusions, The Responsibility of Intellectuals) to be eye opening on how the propaganda state works. (His Rethinking Camelot: JFK, the Vietnam War, and U.S. Political Culture is also an interesting look at how JFK's legacy and character have been distorted over time.)

History:
Two books on European history that come to mind: Twelve Who Ruled: The Year of the Terror in the French Revolution and The Great War and the Shaping of the 20th Century. Isaac Asimov wrote some great, straight forward books on ancient and medieval history covering Greece, Rome, and the Dark Ages of Europe. And if you want more light, fun and interesting, I've enjoyed Sarah Vowel's The Wordy Shipmates about the earliest days of America when the Pilgrims arrived and her Assassination Vacation that covers all the assassinated American presidents and their assassins.
 
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