US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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If the dems could jettison the far left they would have already, it’s like removing a tumor running through important veins and nerves, it will kill then both if they expel them. As would happen to republicans if they tried to expel chuds/MAGA populists

That’s why the neocons only option is to try to stage a takeover and co-opt the populists rather then outright kick them out
yeah I could see a Fetterman/ John Morgan style moderate leftish new party and the dem brand dying
 
Numerically fetterman types just aren’t there in any numbers enough to make anything then regional party imo. The center of their power (the dem establishment) the east coast is starting to slip, look at nyc, Portland Maine, Boston, Philly

All going prog fast

In a three way race between republicans and far left dems and a center left third most people would pick either the republicans or the dems outside of deep red states or places where the center left party inherited a machine like chiraq or Detroit

They would be lolberts but Mabye with some house seats for a few years before going poof
 
yeah I could see a Fetterman/ John Morgan style moderate leftish new party and the dem brand dying
Fetterman the socialist caveman stroking himself back to a more reasonable middle ground left than 99% of his party is still one of the weirdest thing i've seen. Well aimed railroad spikes might be the only feasible way to save the dems at this point
 
Believe what you want. But to me. Not welcoming people that change their minds, is something I think the right should absolutely NOT do.

The purity spiral, and shit like that is what made me hate the left so much.

It’s like refugees or California transplants. Why should we “welcome you”. Why would we “welcome” people that have destroyed our country and our children?

We don’t have to welcome anyone in, to turn our party and politics into what they destroyed and are fleeing. Stay and fix your party.
 
I wonder how many pages this thread is gonna reach.
Okay, this thread was made after Trump got into office or his election was confirmed, right? So it's been almost a year since then and there's been 8000 pages. It's somewhat plausible to assume the pace is going to maintain over the course of his presidency, so a reasonable guess is 8000 times 4 = 32,000 posts, assuming enough Wack Shit happens at about the same rate as it has so far, over the course of the next 3 years.
 
It’s like refugees or California transplants. Why should we “welcome you”. Why would we “welcome” people that have destroyed our country and our children?

We don’t have to welcome anyone in to turn our party and politics into what they destroyed and are fleeing. Stay and fix your party.
People that change their mind?
 
People that change their mind?
That’s like incredibly rare relative to the opportunists and entryists

Not to mention about half the time they reveal that not they didn’t change their mind they just got butthurt at one specific aspect of globohomo and that they can use the right to remove that but keep the parts of globohomo they want (this exact phenomena is why terfs exist btw)
 
I don’t mean the same literal neocon bush area clique, I mean adjacent types modern Neo cons, Desantis, Cruz those types etc. hawks and huckabee types

There is also the free trade vs protectionism debate that will need to be settled
Some of those people are still nominally maga and still promoting cuckservative policies

They 100% will take the knives out on Vance when the time comes if he decides to go further on tariffs or isolationism then trump or even just the same level and join hands with the full blown never trumpers and likely take atleast half of the religious right republicans with them

I think the primary won’t be a coronation it will be a fight for the soul of the party
The faction still exists

The older ones went full never trump all a Cheney

The younger ones adopted some of the maga rhetoric but kept the foreign policy and free trade economics. When trump is gone they will reveal their true colors and reunite with the never trumpers and religious hawks

This is all based on the assumption however Vance is the same as trump if not more extreme with protectionism and isolationism. If he capitulates or he wins a overwhelming victory there won’t be a power struggle
i think it depends, if they get lolberts, liberal/centrist northeast republicans and a big enough chunk of southern and midwestern religious right into a Coalition they could challenge the MAGA coalition and machine

I don’t think it will be a splintering just they will go down fighting so to speak
The protectionism vs "free market" debate was won in the favor of protectionism decades ago. One of the reasons Trump won the republican primary was because he was so open about correcting the "free market". The only option "free market" rinos, never trumpers have is to lie through their teeth, at which point they'll get booted out in the next election and replaced. Question is if the democrats can wreck the country enough to ensure MAGA never wins again. The religious right in America is dead. Its only in certain pockets of the deep south that the religious right has any sway. Go look at a map of abortion access. Anywhere recreational abortion is legal, the religious right is dead. Besides, a lot of that religious right is blue collar workers who have spent decades getting fucked over by "free trade" types. They're not gonna vote for anyone that says tariffs are bad. Libertarians are just democrats at this point. Go look at what the libertarian party wants. Just democrats with less coercion. Warhawks are similarly dead on arrival. People are tired of war. People are tired of sending their sons off to die for weapons manufactures, and Israel. The only way these people ever get into power again is by lying, and they won't stay in power long.

The far left progressive ones should just break off, and actually give themselves an honest name like the "communist party of america" or the "socialist party". That would at least do the Dems a massive favor.
Won't ever happen. CPUSA is already a real thing. If you've never heard of them, than you can take that as clear evidence the American people don't want communism. The entire reason these types are in the DNC is because they know their message is unpalatable to the American public. Its why Franklin Roosevelt had to market his soft communist revolution as countering the great depression.
 
I’ll believe the religious right is dead when the speaker of the house isn’t a dispensationalist who’s foreign policy comes from the Schofield bible

The south and midwest still consistently pump these types politicans out

Just because they didn’t win on abortion doesn’t mean they don’t exist. It’s just the rest of the party either doesn’t care or pragmatically sees it as a losing issue
 
People that change their mind?
They didn’t change anything, except the fact that they realized they’re the party of evil and they’re scared of what will happen to them. They know they’re losing and the optics is bad. Let them suffer. They deserve everything they get for the things they have pushed on and watched happen to their fellow Americans. As I said, we don’t want people my party like this. Like illegals pouring in to America, the Democrats will destroy our Party further. It’s already happening with people like Elon, Amber Rose, Dave Ruben and other degenerates turning the Republican Party into the same shitshow they claimed they left.
 
That’s like incredibly rare relative to the opportunists and entryists
I've seen more of it in the past fews weeks than I ever have in my life. It's actually the only time I have seen people do it actually. At least here in america.

A lot of the left doubled down. But it seemed like a lot of the ones that didn't were disgusted.

But despite what people say in this thread. Not really surprising because I do see people here that are far further "right" than the average person here. Flesh Simulator specifically, falls into a bit weirder category than just "leftist". He was on the left. But he is one of the few people that didn't shun people on the right. He was in more of a wierd center-left category. More like the old reddit before they banned all the chuds.
 
Can I just say I think I get more frustrated with "conservatives" who are stuck in the 2012 Mitt Romney camp than libtards. I think because of my background I get exposed to more than most. They usually go off on how trump led all the other conservatives to betray their conservative values. They huff and puff on how the conservatives they know are basically evil for following trump as some sort of cult leader.
I just shake my head and ask

"What was conserved before Trump"

I would agree trump is not a true conservative, but what does that even mean when his administration has been the only one to actually reduce the size of the government.
 
The moment I decided I liked Vance was when he was on Rogan and the conversation turned to transwomen. Vance started in on autogynephilia and the way he was talking was like he could easily settle in for a six hour discussion on how they're just enabled fetishists. Whatever else he may be, he has definitely read a lot about transwomen and wants to share that horrible information with anyone who'll listen.
The moment I decided I (really) liked Vance was after Charlie was killed and Vance went to personally pick Charlie's body up himself, and his speeches after where he refused to do the "muh both sides" shit. No, you could tell he was mad and hurt and that he wants those resposable to get what's coming to them, and he clearly wants to make things right again unlike so many other Republicans who care more about optics. Vance is so far ahead of most all other Republicans.
 
A lot of the left doubled down. But it seemed like a lot of the ones that didn't were disgusted.
That’s happened historically too but you know what? It didn’t make them vote for the opposition and it certainly didn’t make them side with the opposition when SHTF

No shit blatant shit like the Kirk killing disgusted people but will they vote Republican in the mid terms? Only time will tell

It’s already happening with people like Elon, Amber Rose, Dave Ruben and other degenerates turning the Republican Party into the same shitshow they claimed they left.
keep in mind they didn’t just make the convention embarrassing, they dropped opposition to trans shit in the party platform and gay marriage

It would be one thing if they came in and was like

Alright I fucked up I am here to listen and learn

This is showing up and pushing for policy changes and leadership
 
People that change their mind?
I think the annoyance is that californians do not change their minds very much, even the right leaning ones are more left leaning according to others(I do not know if this is true or not).
They didn’t change anything, except the fact that they realized they’re the party of evil and they’re scared of what will happen to them. They know they’re losing and the optics is bad. Let them suffer. They deserve everything they get for the things they have pushed on and watched happen to their fellow Americans. As I said, we don’t want people my party like this. Like illegals pouring in to America, the Democrats will destroy our Party further. It’s already happening with people like Elon, Amber Rose, Dave Ruben and other degenerates turning the Republican Party into the same shitshow they claimed they left.
I do think @prollyanotherlurker is right to an extent, you should have an open door policy.However, you should not be so open that you lose identity/goal/values .Look at some of the weird ass churches that have pride flags and drag queens as priests, they took the open door policy of the church to the max, with zero judgment or corrections.So inevitably, they ceased to be churches at all.
Can I just say I think I get more frustrated with "conservatives" who are stuck in the 2012 Mitt Romney camp than libtards. I think because of my background I get exposed to more than most. They usually go off on how trump led all the other conservatives to betray their conservative values. They huff and puff on how the conservatives they know are basically evil for following trump as some sort of cult leader.
I just shake my head and ask
"What was conserved before Trump"
I would agree trump is not a true conservative, but what does that even mean when his administration has been the only one to actually reduce the size of the government.
It is funny watching those types.Ask them what exactly they will conserve and what their candidates will achieve, then you'll see they are not different that neocons/shitlibs AIPAC types.Trump is definitely more populist than conservative.Its also funny to see big letter 'L' liberterians seething about no support of BLM and other social causes.
 
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