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Should be a wild four years.

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So, what's the point of this?
I've been following this news on voting to shut down the government for the past few days, but I'm still confused on why this is being done, or how it fixes anything?
It's a showdown between the Democrats and the Republicans on who is going to blink first. I have no idea why the Dems think they have any leverage here. Apparently they think they're going to impress the voters by looking tough or something? I have no idea.
 
boss, the fed is the biggest "welfare" recipient in the world, the nogs on SNAP have nothing on this.

I don’t know one black person. I know a lot of white people. A lot of those white people are on government gibs. They sell their food stamps and they raid the food banks and sell what they get there. It’s not just SNAP, It’s free housing, Medicaid and all the other shit they get, that they don’t earn, pay for, appreciate or take care of.
 
historically the battleships protected the carriers! They were big enough to be loaded down with every type of AAA invented. they could throw TONS of lead into the sky each minute and establish a barrier that any plane could not fly through in one piece. in theory, it would work just as well against anti-ship missiles. observe the amount of fire the North Carolina is putting up in this video. the Iowa class and the proposed Montana class had even more AAA
The issue with AAA dealing with modern anti-shipping missiles is that the big ship killers are fast. The Russians built huge ass, mach 3+ sea skimmers designed around taking carriers out of the fight, and that much mass at that speed, even if you do shoot it down, all the debris can still wreck a modern ship. They might not sink an Iowa or carrier outright, but they would mission kill it. That said, only the USN and, surprisingly, the French Navy took AAA seriously in WWII. We saw open deck space and we'd slap a 20mm or a Bofors gun on it. The USN of WWII was just insane in what we built and put to sea. If the Japanese had sunk the entire Pacific Fleet, we'd have still buried them in hulls. We built something like 3+ times the tonnage during the war in new ships than the Japanese started the war with.

We have fallen very far, US Industry was terrifying.
 
If all these people get fired, will this be the left's Ruby Ridge (pbuh) or Waco (pbuh) and will they go insane and blow me up in a few years?

Asking for the daycare on the second floor.
 
Trump hiding his phone as he snaps pics of Schumer while sitting in the Oval Office just so he can shitpost. That's the canon I run with.
 
Oh, I see Paul is being the Massie Faggot he needs to be to achieve sucking his own ass:
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Why are you getting mad at Paul. A shutdown is a good thing. Trump will have a much easier time getting rid of pointless globohomo shit during the shutdown. Hopefully he guts stupid RINO-homo crap while he's at it. If anything, be upset that more people aren't being sent home.

Once again I regret to inform the Democrats that they are fucking up. PEOPLE LIKE SOMBREROS. They are great hats. They protect you from the sun and look festive and fun. Now Democrats are the anti-sombrero party just because Trump barks and you just can't stop yourself from yapping back. The sombrero could be your MAGA hat!

Trump should make a MAGA sombrero. The seething would surpass heights never before seen.

In terms of debt as a % of GDP we don't even crack the top ten. Plenty of other countries out there in as bad or worse shape than us.

That's like a lolcow arguing that there are at least ten other cows worse than they are, which somehow makes their behavior okay. Racking up a massive debt and not paying the bills is nigger behavior. Worse still, the excess spending results in the money printer getting turned on which drives inflation.
 
As I'm not American, the concept of a shutdown is quite unfathomable to me. Obviously it's not like a full purge situation, but does it just mean nothing can get passed until the two parties agree?
Pretty much parts of the government stop working til everyone plays nice, but because America is a Republic it's not nearly as big of a deal as it sounds like
 
I know its probably been asked before,, but what kind of jobs will be affected? Will food service be? I just don't want to get laid off.
I mean, if you're working a cafeteria in a non-defense government workplace, yeah, that's at risk.
 
Hegseth: “No more beards or long hair, We don’t have a military full of Nordic pagans.” x

Cashapp Patel is in shambles right now...
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Some hopeful news

It would be easy to think about the prospects of a government shutdown as the next act in a tired old play. But what’s looming this time is far, far different, with incalculable stakes. It could amount to the most dramatic shift in the separation of powers in living memory—or longer.

That might sound raving, but consider this.

Without a new budget passed on this not-so-happy-fiscal-new-year, only “excepted” parts of the government can operate. The Antideficiency Act prevents spending on anything else. Employees go on an unpaid furlough, and they’re not even allowed to use government-issued laptops, cell phones or email accounts. (None of this applies, of course, to employees funded by separate revenues, like Social Security, Medicare or the Postal Service.)

And just who is an “excepted” government employee working in an “excepted” program? OMB has a surprising amount of discretion to define this, through Circular A-11.

Here’s where a looming shutdown this time will be far, far different than the previous ones in 1995, 2013 and 2018. According to reports first published by Politico, OMB Director Rusell Vought instructed agencies to prepare RIFs for all employees without separate funding and whose work “is not consistent with the President’s priorities.” The RIFs could apply even to employees working in “excepted” programs.

Just a momentary lapse in appropriations—a shutdown that lasts minutes or hours—would give Vought the power to tell agency leaders to move past the usual furloughs—“temporary, nonduty, nonpay status”—to RIFs—being permanently fired. Vought could choose the programs that the administration has been wanting to eliminate and give a very big haircut to others.

The result would be a dramatic, instantaneous shift in the separation of powers. Let me underline this: while the purse is empty, OMB would seize the power of the purse from Congress. The administration could choose to prolong a shutdown for as long as it liked, through poison pills in the negotiations with congressional Democrats, and comb through the government to flatted programs it’s been trying to cut. With this prospect looming, the administration has little incentive to do more than shed crocodile tears over a shutdown.

And then, when the shutdown is over, whenever the administration chooses to end it, those employees who were furloughed would come back on the payroll, with back pay, through a 2019 law. The employees who were RIFed would not.

This would be an historic—and incredible—invention of a backdoor impoundment. OMB could prevent the administration of programs it opposes by gutting the government’s capacity to administer them. The Trump team could kill programs unilaterally without the inconvenience of going to Congress.

To top it all, this would all be perfectly legal.

Under the Antideficiency Act, OMB would be well within its powers to decide which programs could not continue. It could decide that programs that aren’t “excepted” had to stop. It could then RIF employees working for those non-excepted programs, and any other employees it chooses. RIFed employees would have no appeal rights and the government has no obligation to bring them back when Congress—finally—passes an appropriation, as the University of Minnesota’s Nick Bednar has concluded.

They’d be gone, and so would the programs they manage.

It would be a bigger deal than the Musk-led DOGE at the beginning of the administration. Bigger than Schedule PC or Schedule G. It would give real and very sharp teeth to Project 2025’s ambitious goal to turn government upside down.

And it sets a trap for the Democrats. They could roll over and agree to all of the administration’s demands, as they did back in March. That would weaken the party further as leaders try to right the ship. Or they could refuse to give in, trigger a shutdown—what the Republicans are already calling a “Schumer Shutdown”—and then stand back to watch an awesome stripping away of their power.

Either way, the Democrats lose. It’s like an old western, where cowboys ride into a box canyon with no way out.

And, with the looming prospect of an enormous cut in government employees, a slashing of government functions and an historic shift in the power of the purse, this is the very embodiment of a Very Big Deal.

In Federalist 58, James Madison wrote “This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people,” the Congress. With his memo to federal agencies, Russell Vought turns Madison on his head, for he would strip Congress of the power of the purse, invent a new and legal backdoor impoundment, and disarm the representatives of the people.

And even if both sides manage an agreement, the club in that memo will always be behind the door.
 
The story of 20th century Western politics is the succession of various kinds of Communists supplanting each other because none of them would or could repudiate the central assumption of evolution having ended from the neck up.
 
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