4CHAN COMMUNITY SUPPORT LLC and LOLCOW, LLC, d/b/a KIWI FARMS, Plaintiffs, v. THE UK OFFICE OF COMMUNICATIONS, a/k/a OFCOM

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4CHAN COMMUNITY SUPPORT LLC v. UK OFFICE OF COMMUNICATIONS 1:25-cv-02880 — District Court, District of Columbia

  • Docket No.
    1:25-cv-02880
  • Court
    District Court, District of Columbia
  • Filed
    Aug 26, 2025
  • Nature of Suit
    440 Civil Rights: Other
  • Cause
    28:2201 Declaratory Judgment
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    None
  • Last Filing
    Jan 15, 2026

Parties (3)

Parties
LOLCOW, LLC, UK OFFICE OF COMMUNICATIONS, 4CHAN COMMUNITY SUPPORT LLC

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 30)

# Date Description Filing
13 Jan 15, 2026 REPLY to opposition to motion re 8 Motion to Dismiss/Lack of Jurisdiction, filed by UK OFFICE OF COMMUNICATIONS. (Kry, Robert) (Entered: 01/16/2026) 1
Jan 1, 2026 Set/Reset Deadlines
Jan 1, 2026 Set/Reset Deadlines: Replies due by 1/19/2026. (tj)
Dec 31, 2025 Order on Motion for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply
Dec 31, 2025 MINUTE ORDER granting 12 Motion for Extension of Time to File Reply: It is hereby ORDERED that Defendant shall file its Reply to Plaintiffs Opposition to Defendant's Motion to Dismiss on or before January 19, 2026. SO ORDERED. Signed by Judge Rudolph Contreras on 1/1/2026. (lcrc2)
Of interest to this thread, Preston speculates about the Anglo-American trade deal:
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Why would a trade deal need to carve out protections for American Companies regarding Starmers grossly illegal international human rights abuses? OFCOM is a private corpirate entity. Simply file criminal charges against the individuals involved. The US has no obligation to honor or extradited regarding the UK's Fascist Speech Crimes. But the UK does still have an obligation to honor extradition requests regarding International Financial Crimes of Extortion, Racketeering and Organized Crime.
 
Why would a trade deal need to carve out protections for American Companies regarding Starmers grossly illegal international human rights abuses? OFCOM is a private corpirate entity. Simply file criminal charges against the individuals involved. The US has no obligation to honor or extradited regarding the UK's Fascist Speech Crimes. But the UK does still have an obligation to honor extradition requests regarding International Financial Crimes of Extortion, Racketeering and Organized Crime.
Learn to take yes for an answer. Looks like Queer Smarmer has completely surrendered.
 
OFCOM is a private corpirate entity.
Its not merely a private corporate entity; it is a statutory corporation that has a legally defined regulatory role. That means it's a creation of the state, answerable to the state alone, and acting on behalf of the state. Its purpose is to enact regulations. It's equivalent to an executive agency in the US.
 
Why would a trade deal need to carve out protections for American Companies regarding Starmers grossly illegal international human rights abuses? OFCOM is a private corpirate entity. Simply file criminal charges against the individuals involved. The US has no obligation to honor or extradited regarding the UK's Fascist Speech Crimes. But the UK does still have an obligation to honor extradition requests regarding International Financial Crimes of Extortion, Racketeering and Organized Crime.
They'll make it part of a trade agreement to save face and not look like they immediately caved from the pushback.
 
Its not merely a private corporate entity; it is a statutory corporation that has a legally defined regulatory role. That means it's a creation of the state, answerable to the state alone, and acting on behalf of the state. Its purpose is to enact regulations. It's equivalent to an executive agency in the US.
No it is not. The way the Brits structured it to avoid any and all public oversight also severs it from Sovereign Immunity. It's a private non governmental company that may be treated and mistreated as such by other nations.
 
Its not merely a private corporate entity; it is a statutory corporation that has a legally defined regulatory role. That means it's a creation of the state, answerable to the state alone, and acting on behalf of the state. Its purpose is to enact regulations. It's equivalent to an executive agency in the US.
Except unprotected by our Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, so it can be sued, or at least that's the legal theory being advanced. Pretty stupid to try to attack the rights of citizens of a sovereign state without those immunities.
 
No it is not. The way the Brits structured it to avoid any and all public oversight also severs it from Sovereign Immunity. It's a private non governmental company that may be treated and mistreated as such by other nations.
I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. It is structured to be "independent" as a regulatory body, but it operates under the limits and extent of the statute that created it. It's not structured as a private corporation the way you're apparently thinking, nor is it non-governmental. It is often called a Quasi-Non-Governmental Organisation, but the "quasi-" part of that phrase is doing all the heavy lifting; it isn't non-governmental, it just acts like it's non-governmental when necessary for its role as a regulator. Its purpose is to create and enact regulations, either based on direct legislation, or independently. It isn't a profit-making entity, it has no shareholders, it has no profit centres, no sales, no products, and no income other than the funding provided to it by the state.

Except unprotected by our Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, so it can be sued, or at least that's the legal theory being advanced.
It's got legs, I think. I'm getting autistic over definitions because it annoys me that people call it a "private corporation", when it's a state-owned, state-created, state-directed entity that only projects the illusion of independence in order to provide a way to regulate without direct involvement by the legislature or government ministries. That illusion seems to give enough of a wedge for this lawsuit to work.
 
I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. It is structured to be "independent" as a regulatory body, but it operates under the limits and extent of the statute that created it. It's not structured as a private corporation the way you're apparently thinking, nor is it non-governmental. It is often called a Quasi-Non-Governmental Organisation, but the "quasi-" part of that phrase is doing all the heavy lifting; it isn't non-governmental, it just acts like it's non-governmental when necessary for its role as a regulator. Its purpose is to create and enact regulations, either based on direct legislation, or independently. It isn't a profit-making entity, it has no shareholders, it has no profit centres, no sales, no products, and no income other than the funding provided to it by the state.


It's got legs, I think. I'm getting autistic over definitions because it annoys me that people call it a "private corporation", when it's a state-owned, state-created, state-directed entity that only projects the illusion of independence in order to provide a way to regulate without direct involvement by the legislature or government ministries. That illusion seems to give enough of a wedge for this lawsuit to work.
Doesnt it state in the lawsuit that it's charter allows it to make a profit?
 
It's got legs, I think. I'm getting autistic over definitions because it annoys me that people call it a "private corporation", when it's a state-owned, state-created, state-directed entity that only projects the illusion of independence in order to provide a way to regulate without direct involvement by the legislature or government ministries. That illusion seems to give enough of a wedge for this lawsuit to work.
That's probably approximately the argument Ofcom will make when they argue they actually are protected by the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act. I believe it is incorrect, but we will see what we will see.

They may not even argue that, but it's such an obvious argument to make I don't see them not making it unless they somehow decide it's hopeless. It's such an obvious argument that our opening preemptively tried to address it.

Also if I've used the phrase "private corporation," I'd have been incorrect. It is one of those wretched creatures of bureaucratic waste often called a quango, an abhorrent neologism for a "quasi-autonomous nongovernmental organization." At least it looks like one to me.
 
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Even if by some miracle OFCOM does convince the court it has sovreign immunity, all that means is it can't be punished by the court if 4chan and Kiwifarms prevail. It doesnt make the request for declaratory relief go away. If anything if OFCOM is a sovreign entity that cant be sued, that would make the substantive question of rights MORE important for the court to answer then less.
 
It is one of those wretched creatures of bureaucratic waste often called a quango, an abhorrent neologism for a "quasi-autonomous nongovernmental organization." At least it looks like one to me.
Wretched is an accurate description though the acronym quango itself is wonderful. The term is so loaded with disgust and vitriol that UK governments have being trying to get people to call them NDPBs (Non departmental public bodies) instead for the better part of 50 years - without noticeable success. The ultimate guide to the British political system (Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister) addresses them in the episode "Jobs for Boys" the quote "It takes two to quango" entering into general usage.

The official justifications for them are all lies. Government Departments can and do make regulations, guidance (some with statutory force), rules and exercise day to day control as a matter of course and they are not independent of government. The real reasons for them twofold. Firstly to distance politicians from accountability when disaster occurs - it was a matter within the ambit of the NDPB, not the Minister's department, and patronage. Government's like to refer to them as "arm's length" bodies to suggest a lack of direct ministerial control (and responsibility). Secondly patronage. They are mechanisms to opaquely funnel taxpayer's money to those who do favours for the government and who aren't being put in the House of Lords (or are already there) - that was the "Jobs for the Boys" premise. There was quite the scandal about ministerial quango appointments back in the 70s and 80s but the changes made were for appearance , not substance.

Every so often there is a little publicity blitz when a government promises to limit them or eradicate some of them. It's regular enough that's it's invariably termed "the bonfire of the quangos" and is equally invariably always just smoke and mirrors with any reduction just being reorganisations or redesignations. Starmer promised one about 6 months ago after it emerged he'd been creating new quangos at the rate of about one per week.
 
ECF #4 Summons Returned Executed as to Foreign State or Agency

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