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Should be a wild four years.

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Verdun_Salient said:
I hear a common retort from more pro-immigrant sources that this will only encourage companies to outsource their work, and how this will strip US Tech Companies of their advantage in being able to, "leech the best talent from across the world."
Are there any good counterarguments to this?
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When the entire office is India, they can't take credit for the work that the Americans do, so they're quickly exposed. Companies have already tried outsourcing there with disastrous results.
 
Patrying is over, hangover is starting now:

There are as many as 1.5 MILLION visa workers here in the H1B PIPELINE. The vast majority are ALREADY IN THE US and will be un-affected by this new rule.

And another 3 MILLION ex-H1Bs - who have been given "-American" citizenship. Who will be wholly unaffected.

Why does this matter?

These are the bulk of the population who somehow keep hiring other H1Bs (or ex-H1Bs) - rather than Americans, even though they are now (typically Indian)"-Americans".

So this new rule will not result in them hiring Americans instead of H1Bs and ex-H1Bs, and therefore not work for all the Newly Un(der)employed Americans (over 1 million) tossed out of Tech by the H1Bs 2022-____ (on the pretense of "AI" but in proof, simply replaced).

This new rule only applies to (typically) NEW H1Bs NOW OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. But again, the vast majority of H1Bs are already in the country.

Finally, H1B-Dependents are EXEMPT from this new rule - and both annually and in total there are now MORE H1B DEPENDENTS THAN EVEN H1Bs (it's Chain Migration - by an Obama Executive Order that Trump refuses to end).

So - in sum - there will be A LOT OF NOISE about what in the end are a few 10s of 1,000s of people who won't make it to the US before the deadline given with this announcement. The result? We have to wait and see, but if Trump hopes to hit 50,000 H1Bs for the $100,000 fee on the way in (and gets it) that's only $5 billion -and so would not even scratch the Deficit.

And that's before we start seeing Trump carve out "Exemptions" (I hear they are already agreed to, but we are awaiting details), and then court challenges (which Trump's lawyers know may mean this is all anyway just one big show that - as small as it is, will not stick).
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The important thing is keep chirping and keep making noise on social media. This is a good start but every one still needs to keep applying at jobs.now and h1bjobsdirect.com along with support the new Senate bill to remove OPT, raise caps, and turn H-1B into a system from a lottery to a auction where the highest paid position/person gets picked.
 
Verdun_Salient said:
I hear a common retort from more pro-immigrant sources that this will only encourage companies to outsource their work, and how this will strip US Tech Companies of their advantage in being able to, "leech the best talent from across the world."
Are there any good counterarguments to this?
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The best talent from across the world is worth a whole lot more than $100k/year in fees. Besides which, actual experts don't use H1B visas.

There are immigrant and non-immigrant visas for exceptional individuals with various standards: significant results in a field of research, exceptional professors and researchers, a national interest waiver for those who would benefit the United States, etc.

This will incentivize replacing cheap but unexceptional foreigners with Americans. More important than simply the wages, this incentivizes American companies to invest in training and experience for American workers, which is the engine of future economic growth and the creation of new industries and firms in the US.
 
Wonderful news on the EO, my Wog tolerance is at an all-time low right now after nearly getting scammed by one posing as my cell phone company this week.
 
It's still a very good thing because it effectively cuts off the ability for Jeets to chain migrate.

A single HB1 can't bring in 6-10 dependants immediately anymore.
 
Verdun_Salient said:
I hear a common retort from more pro-immigrant sources that this will only encourage companies to outsource their work, and how this will strip US Tech Companies of their advantage in being able to, "leech the best talent from across the world."
Are there any good counterarguments to this?
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Yes, the counter argument being "if it's more profitable and cheaper to outsource the work then why didn't they do that in the first place?". The argument in favor of bringing in hoards of foreign workers is a self defeating one that exposes itself and the practice as being purely anti-American. Example arguments are as follows.

>We need to poach the best talent from everywhere!
Ok sure, but millions of them? If they are the best talent then why do they accept lower wages and drive the average pay down in every field they infest. Also if they are so talented why can't they find employment within their own country?
>Americans don't want to work in that field, we need to import people to do it.
Why don't Americans want to work in that field? If it's a vital job we should figure out why Americans don't want to do it and steer more people towards it. (It's always low pay to labor ratio.)
>Americans are too expensive!
I thought that if you wanted to run a business then you needed to be able to pay your employees well. Maybe the business needs to adjust how they operate to attract more talent.
>The Indians/Chinese/Mexicans are the best in this field so we should import them
What does their race have to do with aptitude? If they have all the best in a given field then why aren't they already making their own products and exporting them? Why do they need to be in America to do this?

The fact is we graduate roughly 300k college students a year domestically. These people are ready to accept entry level work in their field of study but only roughly 1/10(possibly worse I'm working with old numbers) can find work in their field out of college. This is because we also hand out roughly 300k H1B Visas a year who take the jobs that should be going to our own graduates. There's no advantage or upside to accepting visa workers, the point of the program is to depress wages and to force a demographic shift in the population. Do not let someone argue about population collapse either, if a job is worth doing we'll find people to do it. Any job that we truly cannot find someone to do can be automated, no immigrants required. Also a small aside, as more low level jobs are automated it's normal to have population decline. When you can use one man and one machine to harvest 100 acres of crops in a week you no longer need to have 100 crop pickers in the country.
 
Pod 042 said:
This is because we also hand out roughly 300k H1B Visas a year who take the jobs that should be going to our own graduates
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there's probably a platonic ideal case to be made also for innovation, too, get a degree in Widget Embiggening, find entry level available work in Gizmo Cromulation, apply the former to the later and revolutionize the industry
 
This is compounded by the fact that when we want "experienced workers" we go after H1B because we outsourced entry level to India already. Another huge problem in tech, you aren't getting greenhorns in the pipeline to become tech wizards.
 
Verdun_Salient said:
I hear a common retort from more pro-immigrant sources that this will only encourage companies to outsource their work, and how this will strip US Tech Companies of their advantage in being able to, "leech the best talent from across the world."
Are there any good counterarguments to this?
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If there's no outcome where an American gets the job, then offshoring is no worse than the immigrant coming in anyway, so that's not a compelling reason to keep visas from an American protectionist stance
 
Verdun_Salient said:
I hear a common retort from more pro-immigrant sources that this will only encourage companies to outsource their work, and how this will strip US Tech Companies of their advantage in being able to, "leech the best talent from across the world."
Are there any good counterarguments to this?
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there's many reasons why every company wants to operate in the US and not in india.
>corporate law
>tax law
>infrastructure
>corruption
>standard of living
>market access
>currency exchange shenanigans
>tariffs
all of it is terrible in india compared to america. the only thing india has going for itself is cheap labor, everything else about it sucks balls.

visa abuse allows them to get the benefit of cheap(er) labor without all the downsides, that's very nice for corporations. but if you actually have to move to and operate in that shithole, suddenly it's not so nice anymore.
 
DumbDude43 said:
there's many reasons why every company wants to operate in the US and not in india.
>corporate law
>tax law
>infrastructure
>corruption
>standard of living
>market access
>currency exchange shenanigans
>tariffs
all of it is terrible in india compared to america. the only thing india has going for itself is cheap labor, everything else about it sucks balls.

visa abuse allows them to get the benefit of cheap(er) labor without all the downsides, that's very nice for corporations. but if you actually have to move to and operate in that shithole, suddenly it's not so nice anymore.
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If you want cheap labor why not just bring back slavery, that way you don’t gotta worry about paying people.
 
I’d rather outsource than have them here draining taxes and shitting things up.

However, I hope Trump goes harder on this. L1s should be next. Also hard prison time for visa abuse.
 
And the thing
DumbDude43 said:
there's many reasons why every company wants to operate in the US and not in india.
>corporate law
>tax law
>infrastructure
>corruption
>standard of living
>market access
>currency exchange shenanigans
>tariffs
all of it is terrible in india compared to america. the only thing india has going for itself is cheap labor, everything else about it sucks balls.

visa abuse allows them to get the benefit of cheap(er) labor without all the downsides, that's very nice for corporations. but if you actually have to move to and operate in that shithole, suddenly it's not so nice anymore.
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And the thing is..................Corps already tried to do the whole moving whole groups to India back in the late 90s/early 2000. It was a complete and total disaster. What they DID find out through if they have a couple of high caste Indians in the US (for dirt cheap wages) they know how the wrangle the retards back in India while the few remaining white/asian people can pick up the slacks. Sadly even those remaining white people have been fired so its just now poo's all the way down.
 
Verdun_Salient said:
I hear a common retort from more pro-immigrant sources that this will only encourage companies to outsource their work, and how this will strip US Tech Companies of their advantage in being able to, "leech the best talent from across the world."
Are there any good counterarguments to this?
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Then why are they pushing Return to Office so fucking hard recently is the best comeback.

The poison that Millenials and Zoomers dont see about "remote work" is it means your job is easily off shored.
 
namelesstacotruck said:
Then why are they pushing Return to Office so fucking hard recently is the best comeback.

The poison that Millenials and Zoomers dont see about "remote work" is it means your job is easily off shored.
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I always saw the Return to Office stuff as a soft layoff. Say return to office or else, if they choose else they'll either quit or you can fire them for cause which allows you to jeetify your workforce without having to pay severance for the people being replaced
 
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