Zoomer Kiwi Central / Serious Gen Z Discussion - A place for Zoomers to have a discussion about the Gen Z and their future

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

My circle joked about him being white malcolm x and the general consensus is that he was just a white bread conservative that didn't really deserve what he got. But then again, he ran defense for a suspected pedo, so take what you will

My normie instagram was full of people (former HS and University classmates) sharing posts like "No one deserves to die for their political beliefs"

 

[liam dees]

I say the three things that define Zoomers are apathy, longing, and loneliness. We are apathetic to how things are because there's no fixing it without some serious social upheaval. If anything close to that happens, it probably won't be until near the end of our lifetime. There's a longing for the past. You can see it in people's taste in older music, films, fashion, etc. And we're all desperate for social interaction. Social media, overpriced activities, all the other things people have pointed out, and people acting fucking weird in general has kept a lot of people from engaging in social interaction. Charlie Kirk's assassination has amplified that last point in particular. Either you condone his murder and feel sorry for him or you absolutely relish it and think he deserved it. Both sides are totally put off by the other. There's no "we can agree to disagree" anymore. I see this more often if you lean right than left or if you are at least a truly skeptical leftist. Leftie Zoomers (and I assume lefties in general) assume that everyone "reasonable" shares their beliefs. Your silence is agreement. You can tolerate their beliefs as a right winger but the opposers will hardly ever tolerate yours.

In my opinion, all of these circumstances leads to a possible fourth thing that will define Zoomers and defines the current political climate: Rage/Vengeance

 

[heloderma_suspectum]

People want the crazy to distract from the tragedy. It's disrespectful but people are going to do it no matter what. Same thing happened with the Trump shooter.

I assumed that. But since I'm pretty fucking convinced that whatever discord server Tyler was in encouraged him deeper into the extreme left ANTIFA rhetoric, I've been arguing against a constant stream of mossad-israel-did-the-hit posts with a few friends. My last conversation before being booted from said "politically incorrect" space I've been in for over a year, if only to get away from trannies shoving their fetish into every-fucking-thing?

Spoiler: yes, really

"Do you actually trust the discord spokesman more than the FBI?"
"Unironically, yes. Despite the fact discord is a shit corporation."
"I'm actually speechless man. What the fuck."

Booted from said server with no warning. It feels like I'm going insane. There's no space for anyone who's moderate and isn't a deranged ANTIFA loyalist who wants all women harvested or an "ISRAEL DID THIS" /pol/fag vying for total jew death (except maybe KiwiFarms itself), but even I prefer to lurk more than post. I don't know what to think anymore; the internet's just driven everyone insane, and I want to go outside and get away from it all. Fuck.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I want to go outside and get away from it all.

I ask this unironically. Touching grass and doing shit does wonders for that internet-induced apathy (speaking from personal experience).

 

[BigMan13]

In my spaces, most don't really care, don't think it was good he died, with a gradient of "well maybe he was an asshole", but no full shit one way or the other.

There's no space for anyone who's moderate and isn't a deranged ANTIFA loyalist who wants all women harvested or an "ISRAEL DID THIS" /pol/fag vying for total jew death (except maybe KiwiFarms itself),

This.

KiwiFarms is amazing. People actually think here. I love that. I respect all of you, and everyone on this site, no difference between those who agree or disagree with me. It's a damn shame this is the last public space for serious discussion, and even then, that's really only because the Farms has that awful of a reputation, it filters hard for people able to see past surfaces. That said, there is way too much moralfagging in the Kirk thread.

I say the three things that define Zoomers are apathy, longing, and loneliness.

I can definitely as well say that about every single Zoomer I know and have known. That in mind, and how much the term "Zoomer" is bashed, I hate the idea of being "that".

 

[Big Shot]

Hello fellow zoomers

Skibidi jobless
skibidi skibidi
I hate living in the 2020s I hate living in the 2020s I hate living in the 2020s

 

[heloderma_suspectum]

I ask this unironically. Touching grass and doing shit does wonders for that internet-induced apathy (speaking from personal experience).

I am technically doing that, focusing more on the real world. Baking and cooking is a great hobby, but finding groups for it outside the internet can be frustrating at times. At this point I've healthily accepted that any tolerable "friend" online-no exceptions-should be treated like a highly reactive chemical ready to go off at the most random variable that happens to piss off their specific brand of politics, so it's best not to set your expectations too high.
At least KiwiFarms exists, for all the retardation possible this is the only social site (not media) I've found that's actually informative and tolerable. I'm hoping to get some USIPS merchandise in the future for sure for all of Josh's effort keeping it online.

Spoiler: bonus content, context while trying to avoid powerleveling

I also found out the real reason I was removed was because I had, in essence:
".. shown an extensive interest in kiwifarms, which is a community known for gayops and intel-collection. It does not sit right with me to put everyone here in the way of that. It was those concerns combined with the way x has been conducting themselves as of late that has led me to make this decision."

Keep in mind this is the same group that would constantly shittalk jews, discuss how eugenics are necessary to save the white west (and how all africans should be sent back and only allowed to live/travel in their native country; only asians being allowed in asian countries, whites in the U.S. and europe, etc.) while ranting about how the Charlie Kirk assassination was a secret plot to introduce more government censorship because of israeli interests playing both sides.
Apparently I've also secretly been hated this whole time due to asking for help on a Wplace drawing (a "terf flag" that was deemed "distasteful") when the site was just going viral. No-one said "no thanks" nor was it a TERF flag, but there's all sorts of justification now that I've been removed (including 'doxxing' someone by looking up their username on google, and getting rid of a server that was mocking another user with strong 'tism and their drawings constantly after multiple warnings to leave them be. I don't care about laughing at someone, but do it from a distance instead of dragging a known tard into a chat just to mess with them.)

Fun fact: said deleted server was made as a refuge from a larger one where genderspecials would harass moderators until you got banned for being every -ist and -phobic in the book, including telling someone they can't be the trans version of a fictional character in real life and chimp out when someone calls you "they". It ended up being used to discuss said genderspecials and share screenshots of their retarded antics, including how server moderators were friends with them to allow them to get away with it scot-free, remarkably similar to a certain site that is now despised for being very, very -ist and -phobic and doxxing poor, poor innocent folx by posting their public social media pages. For everyone to see, god forbid!

I don't know what planted this sociopathic type of "discord exile" behavior in zoomers. It doesn't sit right with me to randomly boot someone without reason, and then nod amongst yourselves about how justified it was with some people voicing doubt just to follow up with "but i don't know" and agree anyways. The mask comes right off, and you realize people who didn't have a problem with calling trannies what they are suddenly hate the shit out of you in private according to whoever deemed it so despite being on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum. But they employ the exact same no-true-scotsman behavior as the "trannies" they despise. I could've cared less about browsing a "bad website" like 4chan or kiwi, I just wanted to get away from insane trannies to talk about a hobby without mincing up my words to make them palatable for self-adsorbed assholes. But I got cancelled nonetheless for every slight against them that I was unaware of until now, because I dared to speak well of the site that shall not be named.
P.S. It took all of a few minutes after my removal for it to be agreed that my "kiwifarms mentality" for looking up a username once on someone doing suspicious shit made me a doxxer, a bad influence, and a force of evil trying to gather an army. It was a random furry's telegram and steam page, all public.

 

[Lonjil]

the internet's just driven everyone insane

I think this is 100% accurate. Everyone my age in my friend circles is just going insane lately it feels lol. People are spending 24/7 365 online and are getting mind raped by the shit they see and consume. I got into a big fight with a friend because I suggested he "Log off and enjoy the weekend" and he outright claimed I was "Supporting genocide".

People's lives have no meanings it feels anymore so they just bait post and goon all day lol

 

[Cute Pie Senpai]

I ask this unironically. Touching grass and doing shit does wonders for that internet-induced apathy (speaking from personal experience).

As much as we like to often use the phrase "Touch grass, go outside, get a hobby, stay off technology, etc." as a divine sort of message to fix all of our problems.
It's an overssmplification of the underlying issue that is loneliness in a low trust society. Where the people are divided by their beliefs and the division is further accelerated by news from differing sources and agendas.
So to answer your question on what is stopping me or us from simply going outside and socializing is simply why?
Why should I go out to spend money I do not have? Why should I risk myself with meeting strangers? When the most common outcome nowadays is that I'll get murdered by some serial criminal that has been bailed numerous times already and will be bailed again after my murder and my death will be memory hold by the news or used as a political grift.
Someone shared earlier in this thread, that we're missing essential communication cues like tone and body language so I have to clarify that I'm writing this neutrally without any offense.
But we have different situations. So let me share my context. I'm unfortunate with my living situation in a shitty city. My best friends have become more radicalized by their beliefs that I have to either cut them off or fence sit to not lose them. My only option nowadays is to be apathetic to everything and keep to myself in the safety of my home. If someone can be killed for their words, I'm not going to take anymore chances even with people I know because I was already walking on egg shells, now I just want to shut off.
Kiwifarms is like the only place now where I can be actually be true to myself. Because while It's generally ill advised that I do not sperg out or powerlevel, I know what I'm doing. Because I intentionally write my shit to be hyperbolic as possible, whwre there are some posts that has some truth in them like this one, most of the time I'm having fun releasing my pent up frustration through asinine lies that I add in.

But that's beside the point. All I'm saying is that "touch grass" is a popular surface level advice anyone can give without much thought. It's a meme, a buzzword that people who are chronically online can preach without any lick of self-awareness. So sometimes the fault is not entirely on the person and that some problems can come from things they cannot control which is actually what us zoomers are struggling with nowadays.

Most can't find jobs because jobs are actually not hiring nowadays, can't make friends or find love because the worst the could happen nowadays is murder, can't do anything because we're broke and going out means spending our money. And by God I am not going to debt trap myself like the rest of the poor spending freak morons that flaunt their consume4 products and ruined futured on instagram and tiktok just so they can look rich and fit in with the crowd.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

the internet's just driven everyone insane

@Cutie Pie Senpai just showed up to be the perfect case in point.

So sometimes the fault is not entirely on the person and that some problems can come from things they cannot control which is actually what us zoomers are struggling with nowadays.

OK. What about the things you can control? It hasn't exactly been a bed of roses for me either, even though I'll be the first to admit that I am currently more fortunate than most. But difficult circumstances are not impossible circumstances. I'm just saying, if an autistic niglet like me can hold down a steady job, find third places, and find a good cause to devote my time to, maybe you can too. Or you can stay being a lonely miserable apathetic hermit in your gooncave until you eventually can't take it anymore and kys, idc

 

[Lonjil]

I'm just saying, if an autistic niglet like me can hold down a steady job, find third places, and find a good cause to devote my time to, maybe you can too. Or you can stay being a lonely miserable apathetic hermit in your gooncave until you eventually can't take it anymore and kys, idc

I simply could not agree more. The people who rant online non stop about third places being destroyed, no chances of meeting people, or everything being awful simply need to log the fuck off and touch grass. People really underestimate the amount of damage that always being online does to them lol. The best personal wellness thing I ever did was get a dog, it forced me to walk him and go places like the vet or dog parks for him. People just need to change their lifestyles, but gooning online is waaaaay easier sadly so most never will

 

[liam dees]

@Cutie Pie Senpai just showed up to be the perfect case in point.

OK. What about the things you can control? It hasn't exactly been a bed of roses for me either, even though I'll be the first to admit that I am currently more fortunate than most. But difficult circumstances are not impossible circumstances. I'm just saying, if an autistic niglet like me can hold down a steady job, find third places, and find a good cause to devote my time to, maybe you can too. Or you can stay being a lonely miserable apathetic hermit in your gooncave until you eventually can't take it anymore and kys, idc

Oh Em Gee it's Kiwi Farms celebrity Vyse Inglebard!

 

[ZeCommissar]

Being part of the older Zoomer cohort honestly, I think dooming about shit is extremely redundant regardless of how bad a situation is. I'm not saying you should just cope and lie to yourself, not at all, infact, looking squarely at how everything is shit in your life and environment is exactly what separates those who get off their ass and change, or just rot away and spiral.

Of course, I would be lying if I said I never have those days where I do feel like a doomer, or even weeks. You know the "everything is fucking crashing, there's no hope for the future, I have no money, this job fucking sucks blah blah blah" shit that runs through your mind. But at the end of it all its best to keep some spark of hope there.

If you do consider yourself a "doomer" I must ask what's even the point? Its kinda like Pascal's Wager in a way. If you're right and there's absolutely no way your life can get better as an individual, there is some merit in trying. Because if you're wrong, and you just end up wasting your life for no reason when you could've made things better....well that's just fucking sad isn't it?

Then again I don't know shit about the world at this age, but that's my take.

Why should I go out to spend money I do not have? Why should I risk myself with meeting strangers? When the most common outcome nowadays is that I'll get murdered by some serial criminal that has been bailed numerous times already

Most can't find jobs because jobs are actually not hiring nowadays, can't make friends or find love because the worst the could happen nowadays is murder, can't do anything because we're broke and going out means spending our money.

Now I don't know where you live, and it could be some mega shithole like Jew York, Londonistan, or LA but regardless of where you live this does sound a bit hyperbolic. I mean I doubt you're going to be getting shanked by Deshawn just because you decided to join the local yoga group or some crap. I mean yeah it COULD happen, but you could also get splattered by a drunk driver or have some freak accident happen. None of those are good excuses to really "never" go outside. You seem smart enough to keep your head on a swivel about these things so perhaps you're in less danger than the average person in your city.

Honestly, why stay in the city? Yes, yes, I know "well retard I'm broke, and its expensive to move anywhere now, even to a rural area" but you have to try something. I have my own story about a leftist friend I'll tell another day, so I do know how it feels to be isolated, especially if you hold views you know your friends would rant at you for. But hoenstly if someone stops being your friend over sane political beliefs, like troons not being real women, then are they really a friend worth keeping?

I don't know your situation, your job, or your living conditions, but all I can say bro (or girl) is that even if it took me 5 years my goal would be to leave that shitty environment ASAP, regardless of the sacrifice. The bughives are NOT areas you want to be in once the 2030s and beyond start rolling around.

 

[liam dees]

Its kinda like Pascal's Wager in a way. If you're right and there's absolutely no way your life can get better as an individual, there is some merit in trying. Because if you're wrong, and you just end up wasting your life for no reason when you could've made things better....well that's just fucking sad isn't it?

Pascal's Wager is to me one of the top optimism pills out there.

 

[Inspector Rex]

Imo, "touching grass" is ironically a good thing to do before whining about gen Z (or any other generation). While modern internet culture is cancerous, it isn't reflecting the generation as a whole.

There has been a wave of (sometimes ragebait) articles in my country saying "zoomers don't care about career and bosses, they don't do things they don't want, yada yada yada", but I honestly don't see it IRL. They just work their ass off like everyone else.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

I say the three things that define Zoomers are apathy, longing, and loneliness.

I feel those overtime will crystalize into something else. It has for me at least. Right now I'm mostly driven by spite. My will to do well or do specific things is reinforced if someone might disapprove of me or that action.

 

[Punished Derich]

Do you think the interest in power metal on social media will lead to a revival of the genre? UK Garage and the Hardstyle revivals have me optimistic but metal feels so dead outside of mainland Europe.

 

[Soso]

I simply could not agree more. The people who rant online non stop about third places being destroyed, no chances of meeting people, or everything being awful simply need to log the fuck off and touch grass. People really underestimate the amount of damage that always being online does to them lol. The best personal wellness thing I ever did was get a dog, it forced me to walk him and go places like the vet or dog parks for him. People just need to change their lifestyles, but gooning online is waaaaay easier sadly so most never will

Even if these places did exist, they would never go or they would vote policies that ruin them in the first place. Going on walks has helped me even though I do live somewhere more reserved than not. Hiking is also a good way to meet some friends, but not as good as having a dog for some people.

There has been a wave of (sometimes ragebait) articles in my country saying "zoomers don't care about career and bosses, they don't do things they don't want, yada yada yada", but I honestly don't see it IRL. They just work their ass off like everyone else.

Never seen it either, but doesn't stop some people going to me "YOUR GENERATION DOESNT WORK OR THINK. BACK IN MY DAY WE WORKED HARD" Yet they always leave out they had cushy jobs because of their now gone unions, and very generous pensions. And they give very dated advice the typical "just walk in and give them a firm handshake!" or "look at them straight in the eye and demand a raise" Latter can't be done because the unions are gone Same with the industrial jobs they worked. And for the thinking part, they ask chatgpt for every single little bit of advice

Do you think the interest in power metal on social media will lead to a revival of the genre? UK Garage and the Hardstyle revivals have me optimistic but metal feels so dead outside of mainland Europe.

Depends on the country and place, here guys my age are still stuck into country rap. Or whatever it's called.

 

[Lonjil]

Has anyone else's friend group been basically hijacked by woke politics? Everything my (now ex friends) talked about in the past couple weeks is trans this trans that (in the affirmative position). Asking them to keep politics out of our chat was met with "wanting to avoid politics is fascism".

Idk its always felt so strange to me how fellow zoomers seem to be locked step full in on this shit it makes me depresso

 

[xXEddie.DurellXx]

Thats just discord a big ression that you see a lot of this is simply beacuse its the alowed speach witch then propegats its self around on these platforms. It dosent help that most conversation happens in these shit holes. Back on dating its been rough i got stood up ressintly and was told its was beacuse i was annoying even tho it would of been our first time meeting irl very fustrating.