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Should be a wild four years.

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Has anyone asked a rape victim currently pregnant with the child of her rapist how she feels about this topic?

Just curious...
pretty sure that yes, this has been asked

in case of rape i'd support abortion cause that's a different beast entirely. not the situation in question though, nor particularly relevant since rape cases account for such a tiny percentage of total abortions, it's insignificant
 
I’m very curious to see how many of the 108 learn anything from their ban when they get back. Null may need to keep sacrificing bans for the ban god until morale improves
The Ban God demands the flesh of autists. The stupider the motherfucker the better.
This.

Candace Owens is popular 'cause she's essentially Alex Jones for wine moms. Like, she accuses Reptilians Jews of orchestrating Taylor and Travis's engagement, instead of 9/11.

TLDR, there isn't a shortage of dumb people who will watch her conspiracy slop.
Reptilians really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving. Also what is Candace Owens equivalent to Alex Jones hatred for the gay frogs?
 
So in your mind, because they’re the product of rape, they’re what? Not a person?
Your logic makes 0 sense. The sanctity of life comes before the sanctity of marriage in any world view that believes in both. And you talk of “evil,” yet your words indicate an utter lack of first principles which allows a proper articulation of what “evil” is. Go take an Ethics 101 course or read some Plato or Aristotle or something, you’re clearly neither intellectually ready nor informed enough for this debate.
What boggles my mind is why a recently raped woman wouldn’t immediately go get a plan b pill. Those prevent pregnancy from forming, so I don’t consider them abortion, they’re contraceptive, and it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than getting an abortion anyway.
Truly, in this era, there is quite literally no excuse for unwanted pregnancy. There’s an endless supply of contraceptives and blockers, and sex isn’t a random occurrence either. On top of that, the information is more widespread than ever. If I knew all of this stuff at 9 years old with shitty early 2000’s pre YouTube internet, there’s no way the kids with smart phones don’t all know about it
 
for such a tiny percentage of total abortions, it's insignificant
The topic has its own thread and enough people have been banned for shitting up threads recently.

But it is worth pointing out, that this line itself is insignificant as it is the main if not most significant reason for there to ever be one performed.
wouldn’t immediately go get a plan b pill.
Which is an abortive agent and would presumably be outlawed in short order if such psychotic retards got their way, on the grounds that it is itself a form of abortion.
 
Reptilians really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving. Also what is Candace Owens equivalent to Alex Jones hatred for the gay frogs?
None.

Candance Owns is a devout Catholic, so she's arguably more pissed about Gay frogs than Alex Jones ever was (since contraception in piss making its way to waterways via sewage runoff = gay frogs).
 
Okay, since I'm not willing to have an extended 'debate' with a mental midget who thinks "I'm incapable of understanding social consequences for retarded political policies beyond what makes me feel good" is an argument and has the nerve to tell me I'm the one intellectually stunted and uninformed, I'll simply restate that your position is the minority and you're not going to win the societal argument.
First of all: lol u mad.

Second, your strawman of “I'm incapable of understanding social consequences for retarded political policies beyond what makes me feel good” still belies your complete lack of understanding of the abortion debate and the ethical and moral philosophical quandaries that underlie it. People don’t oppose abortion because it’s necessarily good social policy. Quite the opposite, from an amoral detached perspective it’s actually quite rational. Much in the same way eugenics could theoretically be.
They oppose it because they believe that human beings have fundamental inalienable rights that stem from their inherent dignity as humans, chief of them being the right to life. And that it is immoral for another human being to take away that right. This is, in fact, a belief that underlies our very system of government. Look at the Declaration of Independence, or the enlightenment era thinkers (e.g. Locke, esp. the Second Treatise on Government). And as a consequence of those inalienable rights, it is wrong for the government to condone such killings.
In sum, it has nothing to do with if a policy feels good. Quite the opposite, it is a tragedy when such things occur, and it brings me great pain to advocate for what I do, because I fully understand the suffering this policy causes, even if I believe it is the moral policy nonetheless.
In contrast, your policy is based off “oh no this policy sounds bad and people don’t like it, and it causes pain, so we shouldn’t do it!” With no regard to whether or not it is moral.

And all the above is divorced from the political considerations of if this is something to be advocated for (no, probably not right now, we don’t need to achieve the city on a hill in a day), nor the other questions about to what extent it is justifiable for the state to either take a life or condone such an action, like @Nol 2 raised in his post.

I repeat, you’re very clearly not informed enough for this ethical debate. Please go be mad somewhere else
 
Which is an abortive agent and would presumably be outlawed in short order if such psychotic retards got their way, on the grounds that it is itself a form of abortion.
It doesn’t abort a pregnancy. In fact, it only works within 72 hours because it doesn’t terminate a pregnancy, it stops insemination. This argument is like claiming birth control pills or condoms would be banned. You really don’t have a brain, do you?
 
TLDW of the problems she has with the narrative(s): The governor claimed the shooter changed back into his pre-shooting outfit 30 hours after the shooting, claims about dissembling/assembling the rifle on the roof, and that they haven't released more videos from campus security cameras.

Maybe I'm being too generous to law enforcement, but none of this points to anything other than an incomplete timeline of events. Its reasonable that there would be discrepancies between what TMZ, the state of Utah and the FBI are releasing a few days after the event.
 
Quite the opposite, it is a tragedy when such things occur, and it brings me great pain to advocate for what I do, because I fully understand the suffering this policy causes, even if I believe it is the moral policy nonetheless.
You really don't and if you did we wouldn't be having this exchange. I fully understand what your insane and evil position is 'backed' by, I simply as stated refuse to get into extended dialogue with an irrational, amoral dipshit making rationalizations for their illogical, selfish, and amoral political position.
In contrast, your policy is based off “oh no this policy sounds bad and people don’t like it, and it causes pain, so we shouldn’t do it!” With no regard to whether or not it is moral.
I regret to inform you that you are not in fact made of rubber, nor I, glue.
It doesn’t abort a pregnancy. In fact, it only works within 72 hours because it doesn’t terminate a pregnancy, it stops insemination. This argument is like claiming birth control pills or condoms would be banned. You really don’t have a brain, do you?
Do I now have to explain why contraception is viewed as sinful in Catholicism and how that relates to this conversation? Or do you already understand that, and don't need an explanation as to why I equated a post-coitus contraceptive with an abortive agent?

At any rate I'm not continuing this dialogue as it's non productive and shitting up this thread.
 
TLDW of the problems she has with the narrative(s): The governor claimed the shooter changed back into his pre-shooting outfit 30 hours after the shooting, claims about dissembling/assembling the rifle on the roof, and that they haven't released more videos from campus security cameras.

Maybe I'm being too generous to law enforcement, but none of this points to anything other than an incomplete timeline of events. Its reasonable that there would be discrepancies between what TMZ, the state of Utah and the FBI are releasing a few days after the event.
I thought the FBI (or at least according to the Daily Mail) are currently investigating the possibility the shooter had help/accomplices?

It's very possible he went somewhere to change clothes/lie low/hide out.
 
You really don't and if you did we wouldn't be having this exchange. I fully understand what your insane and evil position is 'backed' by, I simply as stated refuse to get into extended dialogue with an irrational, amoral dipshit making rationalizations for their illogical, selfish, and amoral political position.

I regret to inform you that you are not in fact made of rubber, nor I, glue.

Do I now have to explain why contraception is viewed as sinful in Catholicism and how that relates to this conversation? Or do you already understand that, and don't need an explanation as to why I equated a post-coitus contraceptive with an abortive agent?
I’d argue it’s far more irrational, amoral, illogical, and selfish to murder infants, and even more so to allow the murder if infants solely because you think openly speaking out against it will hurt your political prospects.

Seeing so many people cheer in political assassinations this week should have shown you that you should, under no circumstances, appease these animals. Why should we let them continue to promote the extermination of our children just so we might maybe get them to vote for us even though we know they never will?

TLDW of the problems she has with the narrative(s): The governor claimed the shooter changed back into his pre-shooting outfit 30 hours after the shooting, claims about dissembling/assembling the rifle on the roof, and that they haven't released more videos from campus security cameras.

Maybe I'm being too generous to law enforcement, but none of this points to anything other than an incomplete timeline of events. Its reasonable that there would be discrepancies between what TMZ, the state of Utah and the FBI are releasing a few days after the event.
I’ll give her credit, this entire investigation has been one of the most incompetent things I’ve ever seen the FBI handle. Kashapp really dropped the ball on what might have been the defining moment of his hopefully soon to be over career.
 

California considers allowing doctors to prescribe abortion drugs anonymously​

Recent legal attacks against doctors in New York and California have put shield laws to the test. So far, they've worked as intended, says Greer Donley, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh who has advised legislators across the country on crafting shield laws. "But it's clear that anti-abortion advocates are going to be looking very hard for additional cases they can bring."

Removing the name of the provider from the label on the package adds another layer of protection, she says. "It makes it a lot harder to find the person you're trying to target." And protecting providers could encourage more of them to mail pills, ensuring that more patients have access to medication abortion.
 
Holy fuck you two, can we have 48 hours of unshitted USPG? Go to DMs or the thread this shit belongs in.
Probably should have a 'no abortion sperging' tag at the top people can point to in order to avoid this since it's brought up very often by retards who want to advocate policies, unchallenged, that aren't germane to the thread's topic.

It'd make it very simple to be able to report people, of any opinion on it bringing it up, to avoid this problem given it is such a contentious issue.
 
Do I now have to explain why contraception is viewed as sinful in Catholicism and how that relates to this conversation? Or do you already understand that, and don't need an explanation as to why I equated a post-coitus contraceptive with an abortive agent?
News flash, not everyone against abortion is a Catholic. Hell, not even all Christians are Catholic, in fact a large part of the reason Christians came to America was to get away from Catholicism. And for a large amount of Christian denominations, contraceptive is okay. They’d rather no premarital sex happen, but they’d rather it be safe than risk a child out of wedlock.

This is the primary flaw all pro-abortionists seem to have though. They cannot fathom the concept that people who aren’t catholic would be against the murder of unborn children. And rather than debate the actual issues or the fact that unwanted pregnancy should be a non-issue with basic common sense, they try to go for religion as if that’s their only winning strategy.
 
I thought the FBI (or at least according to the Daily Mail) are currently investigating the possibility the shooter had help/accomplices?

It's very possible he went somewhere to change clothes/lie low/hide out.
My post only listed what she brought up, after she heavily implied Israel could be involved. Her argument lacks substance because shes picking out facts from investigation that is days old and ongoing. Nothing jumps out at me. TMZ/LE could change their timelines, he could own multiple maroon shirts or have swapped back because he didn't have other clothing with him, "dissembling a firearm" can mean a lot of different things, etc.
 
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