Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

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I mean what do you expect? Civil War? Unfortunately the only real retaliation is try to impose some sort of punishment on these people laughing about it and hope that slowly the culture changes in America to start isolating and disenfranchising left wing radicals. They still have cultural hegemony atm so of course the right is playing from behind.
I already said what I expect, which is nothing. The punishment you mention is seen as so feckless by the left that they are openly laughing at your attempts to fight back in the tens of thousands on sites like Twitter. None of them are taking this as seriously as the people on this thread are.
 
What's the fundamental difference between Charlie's head getting popped by a bullet, and an aborted baby's head getting popped by some forceps? "Fetuses aren't people" is a delusional cope and not a true statement.
Abortion debate in the Charlie Kirk thread? I can't engage dontcha know there is a genocide in Palestine right now? Those babies are being aborted by missals and famine.
 
What if this ends up being a Stephen Paddock situation where the “shooter” supposedly blows his head off before getting captured by the cops and there’s never a real explanation of what happened or the patsy’s motivation for doing it? The Las Vegas shooting was the deadliest mass shooting in American history and it’s like no one give a fuck about it anymore besides the families of the victims. I personally believe the LV shooting was a glownigger op whereas this assassination is still up in the air but I can’t help but think the whole thing is glowing.
 
I already said what I expect, which is nothing. The punishment you mention is seen as so feckless by the left that they are openly laughing at your attempts to fight back in the tens of thousands on sites like Twitter. None of them are taking this as seriously as the people on this thread are.

The funny thing is, nobody takes it seriously until the blood flows and the screaming starts.

Then the question is always "But... why me?"

Oh well, nothing will happen because this is the US, not a 3rd world shit hole.

Yet.
 
IF Jack Bellows (legal name John Bellows) is the shooter, then this interview from July 13, 2023 will provide important insights


I downloaded the vid and placed it on this Google Drive link. It is 42:56 min long. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-5QzGF62D-0FT57UBDKPeBx-hnZrtnmK/view

I have also submitted all the information in this post to the FBI

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The quick rundown is:

-Jack Bellows was born around late June 2003. He was ALREADY running for City Council (district 6) at the very young age of 20, (probably already filed paperwork when he was still 19 years old) while he was still a college student in the area where Kirk was murdered. I believe he was a student, and still might be a student, at Utah Valley University. He is also a co-chair of the Salt Lake City Democratic Socialists of America (DSA-SLC branch)

-He is a Gay self-professed Catholic. Quite possible he was/is groomed by older males, including the interviewer "Michael Valentine". Quite possible that older men of the LGBTQ2IA+P community groomed him into murdering Charlie Kirk. Being groomed by older men naturally introduces all sorts of mental issues. Quite likely he wanted to impress older men with his dedication, energy, passion, et cetera

-He started his run for City Council in 2023, his first ever attempt at political office, at the very young age of 19/20, because he lost a bet to Michael Valentine and also because teachers, professors, peers, friends, acquaintances all encouraged him to run for office. He probably came off like a very passionate and knowledgeable kid to a lot of people. Among his DSA p

-He relays anecdotes like waking up at 4:00am to go be able to make it on time to travel to join the picket line of Starbucks workers on strike, despite not working at Starbucks at the time. This is important as it indicates a willingness to be diligent, tenacious, accept discomfort, be ambitious in his activistic aims - all traits the Kirk shooter demonstrated

-He didn't own a car back in July 13, 2023 when this was filmed and takes Public Transit all over Salt Lake City rather than use a car. This is an important factoid as it indicates a familiarity with the area that the shooter himself possessed

-He states a lot of typical DemSoc talking points like "workers earn far more for their bosses than their bosses pay them" and "every single problem that my generation faces can be traced back to capitalism". Says the Salt Lake City Council is enabling assaults against people of color and the queer community

-It is quite likely that if he is the shooter, he was chosen or volunteered because he was the least overweight, and most lithe/flexible and and fastest runner of all of his DSA LGBTQ2IA+P social circle.

I may update you all at a later time with more refined points
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here is what other people have compiled on Jack Bellows (legal name John Bellows)

>Jack Bellows, a U student who’s the chair of the Democratic Socialists of America, has a grandfather who was born in the Palestinian city Ramallah and his neighborhood was bombed in 1948. This was part of what Palestinians refer to as the “Nakba,” Arabic for “catastrophe“ – when militia attacks that preceded the Arab-Israeli war led to the killing of approximately 15,000 Palestinians.


"""Anti-Zionist Resolution

Salt Lake Democratic Socialists of America is proud to announce that at our January 2024 chapter meeting, we unanimously passed a resolution that reinforces Salt Lake DSA as an Anti-Zionist organization in principle and in practice. This resolution commits Salt Lake DSA to Anti-Zionism as a part of our socialist understanding of anti-colonialism, anti-imperialism, and anti-racism. It defines the Anti-Zionist expectations of our membership and endorsed candidates, political education for our membership, community, and candidates in order to meet those expectations, and follow-on procedures for failures thereof.

The resolution is a declaration of steadfast and ongoing solidarity, and will strengthen our organizing for a just future here in Utah and world-wide. We are part of a wave of DSA chapters, including Houston DSA, Inland Empire DSA, and DSA SF, passing resolutions that fully commit us to Anti-Zionism and place ourselves on the side of the Palestinian liberation struggle.

Palestine’s liberation is our liberation.

Resolution: For an Anti-Zionist Salt Lake DSA in both Principle and Practice

Author: Jack Bellows"""


>Signatories to MUG and R&R's Joint Resolutions for the 2023 DSA National Convention "On the votes of DSA Congressmembers to fund the Israeli military and ban a railway workers strike" included Jack Bellows of Salt Lake Democratic Socialists of America.
>In May 2023 Jack Bellows signed a resolution "For a Political, Prolific and Democratic DSA Editorial Board" as one of the MUG and R&R's Joint Resolutions for the 2023 DSA National Convention in August in Chicago.
"They Don’t Speak For Us"
>Signatories to 3 DSA Members in Congress Vote to Ban Railroad Strike – They Don’t Speak For Us included Jack Bellows Salt Lake Democratic Socialists of America.

(as you can see, Jack is very politically active, high agency and organized a DSA chapter. Easy to imagine somebody like this having the initiative to commit an assassination.)

Jack follows the Utah Socialist Rifle Association, has a Deer Tattoo and has talked about being a hunter from the Deep South. The rifle used to murder Kirk was some kind of hunting rifle

"his hands. This is very typical of people with autism, that they don't know what to do with their hands, so they always look awkward. Walking constantly with your hands in your pockets, or, walking everywhere with closed fists, is a clear sign of that. This guy clearly has that issue here in the video where he's constantly balling his hands into fists."

Jack Bellows has a Deer Tattoo and a Rose Tattoo on his forearms both of which would have been concealed by the long sleeved shirt the shooter was wearing. Those tattoos would have easily identified him. 1757672443134.webp
 
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Too much posts to catch on but still I saw that article from American Thinker wondering if it's a turning point for America?

September 12, 2025

A Turning Point for America?​

By Charlton Allen

Charlie Kirk is dead—struck down not by fate but by political hatred, murdered beneath a tent on a college green where the air should carry ideas, not the scream of an assassin’s bullet.

His killing at Utah Valley University was not the silencing of one man alone. It was an assault on the principles he lived for: civil discourse, free speech, constitutional accountability, and the American tradition of argument waged with words, not weapons.

Kirk was the “happy warrior”—a figure once familiar in American politics, now uncommon. He argued without apology, confident in his cause, yet willing to test it in the open square.

Turning Point USA was his creation—not a militia of grievance, but a student movement driven by optimism, humor, and the conviction that America was worth defending. To young conservatives marooned on hostile campuses, he gave voice, fellowship, and a steady anchor in rough waters.

Now that voice has been stolen.

And with it, one of Kirk’s own warnings returns to haunt us. He saw, more clearly than most, that an “assassination culture” was taking root on the left. He cited polls where shocking numbers of liberals admitted they would justify murder in politics. He warned it was the natural outgrowth of tolerating violence and mayhem in public life—a ticking time bomb.

That bomb has now exploded in Orem, Utah.
 
This seems like a LARP to me. Nobody knows how a potential civil war would play out. I completely get that people are frustrated and want punishment for the left but this talk of civil war is kinda cringe. I just hope elites start to see the increasing need to crack down on left-wing violence if they want a socially stable society longterm.
I hear you and I mostly agree, but it's not wrong either. Some years ago, I'm guessing 2018 or so, Crowder and another guy had got themselves into a local ANTIFA group. The story they told about it on Rogan's show was fucking hilarious and depicted the lefties as entirely craven, disorganized, ill-equipped LARPers with no OPSEC. It was an amusing (and dare I say encouraging) peek into the frailty of modern lefties. That's not to say that with real experience and training they wouldn't become hardened, but I get the point of that thing from /pol/.
 
The feds have the rifle, the suspect's dna and fingerprints and even a palm print, it's so bizarre. I guess the guy isn't in any kind of database or the FBI are keeping quiet for some reason. Is the serial number filed off?
I see a pizza delivery man, but the pizza is a small city on fire, with a angel rising out of it, holding the collective dreams of the people, exuberant and hopeful.

Ah shit you're totally right now I see it.
He's right, that's what it is, hard to believe I didn't see it at first. It's a soldier getting caught on a wire, causing him to drop his AK.

We truly see what we want. @_@
 
If it weren't for me being married to another woman, they'd likely think I was the most violently homophobic person they've ever met.

And because of that reputation, I would have no grounds to tell them off for saying stuff like "I'll never forget his last words: guuauguaugh"
I see your mental stance is to adopt the position of their next victim. You're here talking about the fairness and consistency of expressing your own politics in the face of their inhuman gravedancing. They are not the same thing, not equitable, and you give them advantage by equating them.
 
It was late when I saw the news about Charlie Kirk's assassination. I was tired and nobody had clear information on the killer yet, so I expected to log in when I woke up and learn who did this. Now here we are, nearly two days later and the killer is still unknown. That's alarming.
Oh they got to know who this fuck is. I'd like to think they are playing the game of letting him move thinking he is unknown so he makes contact with people they are watching so they can find him. I'd be shocked with those types of photos being leaked that he hasn't had a 100 people call the FBI saying they think they know who he is.

They've got the weapon, and they've got footage of where he laid down, and where he hung off the roof before dropping to the ground so the odds they have DNA is exceptionally high.

If I were the FBI, I would want to have the suspect think he is unknown to avoid a suicide scenario, and capture him unawares. I think it is a priority to have him captured alive and any ploy to do so is warranted; the man has to be taken alive, tried and made to suffer for his crime.
 
The next few days is going to be insufferable to be both conservative or liberal.

Whatever happens next, it’s best to save yourself before the majority.
 
The feds have the rifle, the suspect's dna and fingerprints and even a palm print, it's so bizarre. I guess the guy isn't in any kind of database or the FBI are keeping quiet for some reason. Is the serial number filed off?
Most Americans don't have their fingerprints in any sort of database. Unless you're a service member or you've been arrested and booked, there's not a lot of situations where your name and face could be traced back to a fingerprint.
 
Every picture I see of supposedly "him", looks more and more to me like a FtM tranny. Small hands, narrow rounded shoulders, and many other tells. I feel safe in calling FtM tranny right now.
For some reason women tend to clock trannies faster than anyone.

In any case, given his slightly below average height. Short enough to not get any dates.

* This person choose a good caliber rifle round that would do solid 2ndary damage. Not just let the bullet run through with a hole. I would expect a woman to just pick any old rifle round.
* This person dropped from a 1 story height. That is more masculine behavior. Women tend to be more intimidated by danger.
* This person walked awkwardly with a rifle down his pant leg. That kind of foolish hubris comes from a man. A woman would be too self conscious to think that it would work.
* Ditched the gun and took of at a decent trot/run behind the houses. More masculine behavior.

I think this was a guy (probably MtoF tranny).
 
No idea if this is the right place to ask but does anyone have video of the event before Charlie got shot? Was there someone streaming the event at all? I'm tired of seeing the same shit over and over again and would like to know what was being discussed.

I've been trying to get hold of a recording but I have no idea how to phrase my search queries in a way that keeps all the sensationalist shit out of the results.

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Found a post: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/charli...ing-and-manhunt.228263/page-142#post-22489432
 
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