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this video's comment section is infested with urbanists
>WAAAAH HE DIDN'T MINDLESSLY FOLLOW MY FAVORITE URBANIST WAAAAAH
>only focus on the part of the video that discusses Big Auto involvement and not the other 3/4ths of the video, chud.
kek
Everyone in america is actually driving a brand new 75k E-450 btw, Didn't you know? ignore the entire used market that doesn't count
Genuinely, if NEED (not want) a car, as in you need an appliance, and you're paying more than 15k for it, you're a niggerfaggot. even I'd call 15k a fairly steep price all things considered.
This is all interspersed with actually sensible people
the comment heart gets me
>only focus on the part of the video that discusses Big Auto involvement and not the other 3/4ths of the video, chud.
kek
Everyone in america is actually driving a brand new 75k E-450 btw, Didn't you know? ignore the entire used market that doesn't count
Genuinely, if NEED (not want) a car, as in you need an appliance, and you're paying more than 15k for it, you're a niggerfaggot. even I'd call 15k a fairly steep price all things considered.
This is all interspersed with actually sensible people
the comment heart gets me
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I have no idea where they keep coming up with these figures that prove a car is a "liability" - the most I've ever paid for a used car is $5,000...... and all my car purchases in my entire life don't add up to $75K. Even including the costs of insurance? Nowhere close.
They also don't specify a time frame to spread that cost over... like the 10 -15 year normal lifespan of a personal vehicle... it's just " trust me, Bro" logic. Because you aren't buying a new car every year.... so yes, high initial investment, but, spread out over even a nominal number of years reduces even $75K to a reasonable annual running cost for a typical middle class person.
It also assumes, again, that people who buy cars always have the option to not buy them and use mass transit.
That is not an option for me or anyone in my town because we don't have it.
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oh you're absolutely right, you can buy a perfectly fine used car for a couple grand. It'll get you anywhere you need it to go without issues. I was honestly giving them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they wanted something "nice",
I get it if you're willing to dish out the cash to buy something a little nicer for a car you plan to daily drive; These retards act like they're forced to buy cars they cannot afford to pay for either in cash or in annual costs. I just don't get the mindset of these people.
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Most of those numbers are "suburbanites buying a new F-150 they can't afford, checkmate suburboid" and then also assuming you live two hours away. Two hours away in a "car-centric" city is not the suburbs. Two hours out from Houston is Beaumont or College Station, two hours from Dallas is far north Waco area or Oklahoma...and "supercommuters" make up a tiny fraction of daily traffic.
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Urbanists are out of touch and proud of it.
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I'm just curious as to where it came from...
If you sat them down and forced them to explain it? How'd they determine it?
Because if they just pulled it out of their ass? I dont' think they'd put an actual number to it, they'd just say it costs "a fortune" or "more than it's worth" or other oblique terms.
The fact they put an actual number down suggests to me at least that there was some internal math going on.
It's obviously faulty as Hell, but I still wanna know.
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Some of these non-North Americans probably can't fathom the idea of governments just charging regular sales tax and modest registration fees on cars so that a person can just spend US$30K and get a decently equipped new sedan or compact SUV.
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TBF if you drive a lot having a nice interior and a car that doesn't make you miserable is well worth the extra money.
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This is true, which is why spending the equivalent amount of time (in reality, double or more) on a hard, non-reclining bench seat in a bus with niggers playing music over bluetooth speakers is something most people would pay to avoid even if the ride is free.
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The other thing about buses and trains that hasn't been brought up here before is that if you miss a turn or an exit in a car, it's not a huge deal unless that was the last chance before you enter a long stretch of desert or some 10+ mile viaduct (neither of which is very common) because there's always going to be a place you can get back on your way.
You miss a stop on a train or bus you're fucked. You either have to start walking or wait another 10-15 minutes for a train going the opposite direction. Given how many people, especially in urban areas, are directionally challenged, this sounds like it could be a HUGE problem.
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/r/fuckcars talks about the Ukrainian refugee who got stabbed on the train:
That was just a normal human interaction, nothing to worry about:
We need to abolish the nuclear family because "Americans" are psychopaths:
Criminals don't like committing crime around other people (please ignore all the other passengers on the train when the stabbing occurred):
Think about all the people maimed by cars:
or killed by road ragers:
OP tries to push back against that:
The fact that public transit attacks are in the news proves that they're rare:
More whataboutism:
and even more:
Transit is safe because your fellow passengers will stop the crazy guy after he stabs you (ignore the fact that this didn't happen in this incident):
We shouldn't punish criminals and studies show that cars are worse than criminals:
Thinking that crime on transit is a problem is like being a climate denier or anti-vaccine yeschad.jpg:
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That was just a normal human interaction, nothing to worry about:
We need to abolish the nuclear family because "Americans" are psychopaths:
Criminals don't like committing crime around other people (please ignore all the other passengers on the train when the stabbing occurred):
Think about all the people maimed by cars:
or killed by road ragers:
OP tries to push back against that:
The fact that public transit attacks are in the news proves that they're rare:
More whataboutism:
and even more:
Transit is safe because your fellow passengers will stop the crazy guy after he stabs you (ignore the fact that this didn't happen in this incident):
We shouldn't punish criminals and studies show that cars are worse than criminals:
Thinking that crime on transit is a problem is like being a climate denier or anti-vaccine yeschad.jpg:
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That's a good point that negates the "ride is actually free time" argument: you need to maintain some minimum level of situational awareness to get off at your stop, which detracts from the cope "leisure activities are just as good on transit as at home". Driving takes attention too but at least you can listen to a podcast without context switching to see if your exit is coming up.
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Despite how when you're stuck in a moving metal tube with other strangers, you can't easily flee like you could on a city street.
By that logic, lots of car crashes make the news so they're rare too.
Car-hating retards don't seem to realize this, but if public transit is unsafe then rather than public transit being the obvious superior choice, people decide between the possibility of being culturally enriched (a situation they have little control over) or dying in a crash (a situation they have more control over). It shouldn't be surprising a lot of people choose the latter.
After the infamous incident with Daniel Penny trying to subdue Jordan Neely, fellow passengers might just flee than risk their life fighting the crazy guy and the local prosecutor who didn't like how hard they tried to help you.
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Which is what any sane person would do when a knife is involved. A few years ago out of curiousity, I researched defense scenarios for knife attacks, and the conclusion was the only winning move is to run away. The thought experiment to demonstrate the futility of engaging with a knife (paraphrased):
"Simulate a knife fight with a friend using dry-erase markers. The first mark is a wound that starts a five minute timer before you lose consciousness from blood loss. Count how many marks each player has at the end. The loser dies at the scene. The winner dies in the ambulance."
With this in mind, how do we convince more Redditors to engage knife wielding menaces in close quarters combat?
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An aside, whenever you see the word hostile architecture their is about a 90% chance the person that referenced it is a bougie asshole that don't have to deal with the consequences of their decisions.Criminals don't like committing crime around other people (please ignore all the other passengers on the train when the stabbing occurred):
Both can be classified as hostile architecture but both serve a purpose. The first is to allow at least four people to sit at a bus bench..to wait for the fucking bus and not sleep.
I don't think some granny will demand a drunk bum get up and move from their drunken stupor.
The second is to prevent camping by homeless because they tend to start fires due to cooking their drugs, retribution, or perhaps preparing food.
Additionally, we are faced with the issue when a homeless person takes drugs and in a substance induced daze walking into the path of an on coming car as their tent is right there.
All it is are Luxury Beliefs.
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They're only saying this because they're basing on themselves. Fuckcars users irl are probably the sort that have their heart rate go up from having to talk to someone whilr ordering coffee or looking over their shoulder to make sure no one sees them keying a car.
Back to the knife thing there's something funny about the way they're probably the same sort of crowd that complains about concealed carry as "everyone's going to get killed in a shootout".
But yet they say that someone should intervene in this situation. Fucking how? How is an unarmed person going to do something against a guy with a knife?
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Don't you know that every knife wielding maniac has a magic phrase to get them to stop, you just have to figure it out before they stab you.