Law 4chan and Kiwi Farms Sue the UK Over its Age Verification Law - The notorious troll sites filed a lawsuit in U.S. federal court as part of a fight over the UK's Online Safety Act.

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4chan and Kiwi Farms sued the United Kingdom’s Office of Communications (Ofcom) over its age verification law in U.S. federal court Wednesday, fulfilling a promise it announced on August 23. In the lawsuit, 4chan and Kiwi Farms claim that threats and fines they have received from Ofcom “constitute foreign judgments that would restrict speech under U.S. law.”

Both entities say in the lawsuit that they are wholly based in the U.S. and that they do not have any operations in the United Kingdom and are therefore not subject to local laws. Ofcom’s attempts to fine and block 4chan and Kiwi Farms, and the lawsuit against Ofcom, highlight the messiness involved with trying to restrict access to specific websites or to force companies to comply with age verification laws.

The lawsuit calls Ofcom an “industry-funded global censorship bureau.”

“Ofcom’s ambitions are to regulate Internet communications for the entire world, regardless of where these websites are based or whether they have any connection to the UK,” the lawsuit states. “On its website, Ofcom states that ‘over 100,000 online services are likely to be in scope of the Online Safety Act—from the largest social media platforms to the smallest community forum.’”

Both 4chan and Kiwi Farms are notorious online communities that are infamous for their largely anything-goes attitude. Users of both forums have been tied to various doxing and harassment campaigns over the years. Still, they have now become the entities fighting the hardest against the UK’s disastrous Online Safety Act, which requires websites and social media platforms to perform invasive age verification checks on their users, which often requires people to upload an ID or otherwise give away their personal information in order to access large portions of the internet. Sites that do not comply are subject to huge fines, regardless of where they are based. The law has resulted in an internet where users need to provide scans of their faces in order to access, for example, certain music videos on Spotify.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has said the Online Safety Act “is a threat to the privacy of users, restricts free expression by arbitrating speech online, exposes users to algorithmic discrimination through face checks, and leaves millions of people without a personal device or form of ID excluded from accessing the internet.”

Ofcom began investigating 4chan over alleged violations of the Online Safety Act in June. On August 13, it announced a provisional decision and stated that 4chan had “contravened its duties” and then began to charge the site a penalty of £20,000 (roughly $26,000) a day. Kiwi Farms has also been threatened with fines, the lawsuit states.

"American citizens do not surrender our constitutional rights just because Ofcom sends us an e-mail. In the face of these foreign demands, our clients have bravely chosen to assert their constitutional rights," Preston Byrne, one of the lawyers representing 4chan and Kiwi Farms, told 404 Media.

"We are aware of the lawsuit," an Ofcom spokesperson told 404 Media. "Under the Online Safety Act, any service that has links with the UK now has duties to protect UK users, no matter where in the world it is based. The Act does not, however, require them to protect users based anywhere else in the world.”

Update: This story has been updated with a comment from Ofcom.
 
To quote one of the great fighting sailors of all time, "WE HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!"
God gave us minds, attached too hands that can write and mouths that can speak. The ability to speak and too write are a divine gift, and not something that can be taken away.

Shitposting is sacred.

Which is why Kier Starmer is a nigger faggot that gets fucked by Pakis on the daily. Fr fr, no cap.
 
I still haven't found a good explanation as to why something in the UK (government or NGO, I'm not quite sure) is fining companies outside of the UK, in pounds. How does it have jurisdiction? How can it enforce?

Why is 4chan/lolcow even dignifying it with a counter suit? How does DC have reach back?
I think extradition treaties make this complicated... hence the lawsuit.

Having unpaid fines could probably also keep them from moving to or doing business in the UK in the future if they chose to.
 
I know the farms tends to be a bit of a PR stain, but I believe it when Null said they were enthusiastic about the case.
Ofcom stepped in it so hard that they made US look good, even to some of the very people who hate us the most. Contemplate that.
 
The UK seems to be under the delusion that they are a globe spanning empire and not a dying relic of the past getting gangraped by a bunch of Pakistanis.
Brits are under the delusion that there was ever anything special about them other than being an island, which is no longer very important.
 
Brits are under the delusion that there was ever anything special about them other than being an island, which is no longer very important.
Well, the other thing special about the British Islands are that they are a remnant of the central pangaean mountains, which includes the greater Appalachian mountains. which means they have a similar geology to West Virginia and Western Pennsylvania.

I.e. a metric shit ton of coal and other minerals. They were uniquely positioned with that at the start of the industrial revolution.
 
Well, the other thing special about the British Islands are that they are a remnant of the central pangaean mountains, which includes the greater Appalachian mountains. which means they have a similar geology to West Virginia and Western Pennsylvania.

I.e. a metric shit ton of coal and other minerals. They were uniquely positioned with that at the start of the industrial revolution.
And those mountains led to our early development of cartography as a necessity fighting the Scot’s which gave us an advantage in exploration.
 
The dog standing in the gap of free speech has vicious, bared fangs.

Scrolling through comments on YouTube, it seems noone likes to acknowledge the humble farmers. Unless you are this guy:

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The dog standing in the gap of free speech has vicious, bared fangs.

Scrolling through comments on YouTube, it seems noone likes to acknowledge the humble farmers. Unless you are this guy:

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If we're terrorists were definitely the most autistic the world has ever seen. Muslims got the prophet Muhammad. All we got was a man child who diddled a Snorlaxs as our God.
 
I still haven't found a good explanation as to why something in the UK (government or NGO, I'm not quite sure) is fining companies outside of the UK, in pounds. How does it have jurisdiction? How can it enforce?

Why is 4chan/lolcow even dignifying it with a counter suit? How does DC have reach back?
Mail order companies have dealt with this for years. They absolutely do have jurisdiction. But localizing a judgment to the US, considering the SPEECH act, will basically be impossible. It's not like the bongs are wrong, per se. They will just never be able to collect on it.
 
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BE THE AMERICAN THE JAPANESE THINK YOU ARE.
Bandit Keith should be replaced with someone else. Reasons:
1. He became depressed after losing to a little kid and a gay middle aged manchild at the exact same time.
2. He beats his allies up and steals from them.
3. He attempts to assassinate the gay manchild that helped the kid beat him at a children's card game. Gets dropped into the ocean by said manchild with the press of a button.
4. Gets brainwashed by an Egyptian trading card terrorist.
5. Hides decks in his jacket like a stereotypical drug dealer.
6. Possibly related to Todd Howard. His real name is Keith Howard.

I refuse to be represented by such a bitch ass nigga. Real Americans don't let Egyptian trading card terrorists brainwash them.
 
Mail order companies have dealt with this for years. They absolutely do have jurisdiction. But localizing a judgment to the US, considering the SPEECH act, will basically be impossible. It's not like the bongs are wrong, per se. They will just never be able to collect on it.

Let's make sure we break this apart and decompose it.

The UK says it has jurisdiction, within its own statute and territorial reach.

The USA is outside of that and will tell them to tax tea again.

The UK could grab someone dumb enough to go to retard island if they were under the scope of criminal prosecution under these retard island laws (senior management?) but cannot go out to grab someone. They could block access (lol VPN) and try to lean on intermediaries (ads, payments?) but that's it.

This lawsuit is probably more about formalizing things for American companies and telling the UK they can do what they want on their own retard island, but that's the end of it. Am I correct in that? Am I missing anything else?
 
Let's make sure we break this apart and decompose it.

The UK says it has jurisdiction, within its own statute and territorial reach.

The USA is outside of that and will tell them to tax tea again.

The UK could grab someone dumb enough to go to retard island if they were under the scope of criminal prosecution under these retard island laws (senior management?) but cannot go out to grab someone. They could block access (lol VPN) and try to lean on intermediaries (ads, payments?) but that's it.

This lawsuit is probably more about formalizing things for American companies and telling the UK they can do what they want on their own retard island, but that's the end of it. Am I correct in that? Am I missing anything else?
Agreed. But "you have to abide by our laws if you want to engage in mail order business with our citizens" is normally a pretty recognized standard internationally. The implication being "we'll start rejecting your packages if you don't".

I mail lots of shit to Bongland and there's a massive list of stupid shit I need to abide by.

When things conflict, they just start blocking shit. Or they can try to domesticate the judgments in the foreign jurisdiction. America has a law forbidding domesticating foreign judgments if they clash with first amendment principles. The Bongs are retarded but they're not fundamentally wrong in anything relating to this. So honestly, this 4chan lawsuit is like troon law tier virtue signaling. The domestication of this lawsuit would just fail. But it's a valid legal process.
 
Agreed. But "you have to abide by our laws if you want to engage in mail order business with our citizens" is normally a pretty recognized standard internationally. The implication being "we'll start rejecting your packages if you don't".

I mail lots of shit to Bongland and there's a massive list of stupid shit I need to abide by.

Understandable. The second the item hits their retard soil and is touched by their retard hands they have jurisdiction because someone in a retard dickhead hat will ask if you have a licensed permit for breathing.

However, neither 4chan nor Kiwi Farms are shipping anything to them. They are computer systems that can be accessed from the internet, and nobody pays to go there. How is this any different from if you ran a completely free shitposting 1-800-number and they got mad at you allowed them to say "nigger" on it, or, a newspaper that allowed people to mail in opinion letters, without having to pay a fee, where you could write "nigger", and they were upset?

As far as blocking shit, sure, they can. KF and 4Chan should preemptively force VPN use, but I digress.

I could see some advertisers getting some OFCOM shit pip pip cheerio but they're more than capable of defending themselves. It seems 4chan and KF are doing it for them?

Domesticated judgements - I suppose direct case law is probably overdue? 🤷

It's all really fucking gay and retarded.
 
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