💬 Off-Topic Tranny/LGBTQ Historical Revisionism - Retroactive rewriting of history by degenerates

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California Newt said:
Currently reading a great book called "Brother-Making in Late Antiquity and Byzantium". Evidently the brother-making ritual that was falsely interpreted as a same-sex marriage rite in "Same-sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe" (author died of AIDS before its publication) was actually something that developed out of skete monasticism. Sometimes you'd get a group as small as two guys deciding they want to go be monks together.

The book is valuable for being very specific and rigorous about making it clear what dynamics are at work and where, and how they fit into the societies under discussion. It talks about how different societies (particularly Byzantium) understood eros in relation to different forms of friendship. It's also responding to a lot of what's in "Same-sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe".

Evidently there's a lot more literature out there about this stuff than I thought there was, although I think some of it can be pretty pricey (upwards of a Benjamin) if you're getting them legally. I found this book because I wandered off the street into a comparative religion library and looked up something like "social dynamics in Orthodox monasticism" on the computer they had next to the scanner. Lo-and-Behold, they had exactly what I was looking for.

I've assumed for a while now that the human element in homosexuality is really just the emotional dynamics of common initiation into some kind of spiritual tradition; the weird hypnosis cults and overt satanism over in the gooner thread seemed to confirm that (along with a random gnostic dude in the 4chan thread confirming that there's a bunch of occult activity in furry cons and ren-fairs).
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Need to crosspost this here, it's good.
 
In 1992, a 63 year old woman named Bessie Ann Kutnak disappeared outside her ranch in Cameron, Texas, after looking for her cattle. It is unknown what became of her. In life, she dressed in men’s clothing, but identified as a woman and didn’t identify as a lesbian. But a true crime YT channel called Missing and Abducted Persons Stories put their video about her in their Missing: LGBTQIA+ playlist.
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I was just reading about ammonites on Wikipedia and this movie from the disambiguation page caught my attention
Ammonite is a 2020 romantic drama film written and directed by Francis Lee. Loosely inspired by the life of British palaeontologist Mary Anning, played by Kate Winslet, the film centres on a speculative romantic relationship between Anning and geologist Charlotte Murchison
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Was Mary Anning (an influential paleontologist who discovered the first complete ichthyosaur skeleton as a child) really a lesbian? No. As the Wikipedia page on the film says

There is no evidence as to Anning's sexuality in real life, and the film's historical accuracy has been questioned. Two of Anning's distant relatives were reported as having differing views on the decision to depict her as a lesbian, with Lorraine Anning supporting the film, but Barbara Anning criticizing the choice.
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The director defended his decision to lez out Anning and Murchison (whose lezzing out seems to have been less controversial even though she had a husband for 54 years who she seemed to love) in a series of tweets

After seeing queer history be routinely ‘straightened’ throughout culture, and given a historical figure where there is no evidence whatsoever of a heterosexual relationship, is it not permissible to view that person within another context...?

Particularly a woman whose work and life were subjected to the worst aspects of patriarchy, class discrimination and gender imbalance...

As a working class, queer film maker, I continually explore the themes of class, gender, sexuality within my work, treating my truthful characters with utter respect and I hope giving them authentic respectful lives and relationships they deserve

Would these newspaper writers have felt the need to whip up uninformed quotes from self proclaimed experts if the character’s sexuality had been assumed to be heterosexual?
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So TIL that trannys and niggers (I'll focus on troons for this thread) have spent their days co-opting Max Goof because of course they would. It's basically personal now.

I grew up loving Mickey's Once Upon a Chritsmas and A Goofy Movie, and naturally, Max became my favorite Disney character, but it never went beyond a few watches of each yearly. I'll just get my negro spergout out of the way, it's ironic they try to claim a relationship between a father and son as their own. Cope, maybe? That's my most charitable interpretation.

Here's a troon who literally fantasizes about having a fictional character as his spouse, and makes it his entire identity. Points for being more concerned about "racists" than lolis. You can use his 𝕏itter profile as a sort of "gateway" to see that there's a literal community of idolizing Max as some tranny hero because *checks notes* he had a dream about his crush.

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I'm all for autistic fixations and niches, even if I think you're retarded for it, but you can easily tell how mentally ill someone is based on their strawpage.

There's also an unhealthy amount of trannys who are unironically saying that Maximilian cracked their egg.
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Literally just query "Max Goof Trans" or anything related on X if you dare.

Just a sidenote, I've never been more ashamed of my search history than right now.

While I was going down this rabbit hole, I noticed one X user named Bluffys being mentioned with libtards seething "omfg no he has the Max Goof pfp"

Turns out, a Patriot repping Max in the Powerline sunshades reality checked an e-whore libtard after our God Emperor smited The Woke™. Tbf the comments seething about the pfp weren't as apparent- but there were a sizable number of QTs and replies whining about his pfp. This one was particularly funny and mildly whitepilling. (Archive)

I've basically just grown to accept that any niche I get into is bound to be primarily occupied by libtards and trannys. There's apparently trannys on kf, so I guess it's just that over.
 
Markiplier's Basement said:
I read this and felt it was very carefully curated to incept the idea that it was a bunch of backward WASPs who swung the hammer down on the hapless innocent gays. Some more sleuthing to find that the person who spearheaded this version of the events is William E. Jones, a gay filmmaker that published a 2008 film "Tearoom" which shows unadulterated footage from the police surveillance operation of the bathroom. As a side note, he appears to have gotten his start in film by editing vintage porn. He's written and spoken many times about this incident, as Tearoom is his magnum opus.

That article (by some local) was written in 2019, which is about the apex of degeneracy infiltrating the discourse, so it makes sense that it so plaintively appeals to the poor homosexual's plight, but William E. Jones had already poisoned the well by then. Two previous films incorporating themes from Mansfield had been made before-- "The Child Molester" (1964) and "Camera Surveillance" (1964), two shorts based off of/incorporate footage from Mansfield respectively. The film "Camera Surveillance" was an instructional short to disseminate information about how cameras can be used in police investigations-- also what galvanized Jones into creating "Tearoom", as he considered it to be very insulting to docile and 'innocent' gays like himself. "The Child Molester" is more straightforward that it is a dramatization of what happened, made by the Ohio Highway Safety Patrol, about a man luring children and eventually killing one. At the end, still photos of the actual crime scene were shown, with a warning about how real it is. This one was intended to be shown to wider audiences to inform.

ETA I totally forgot to mention, the reason police got involved is because a teenage queer flashed his genitals at some young girls then murdered them.

Jones, not complacent with Mansfield being merely a footnote of history on how gay people do gross things, decided he would clear their name by releasing tearoom-- 56 minutes of gay men performing anonymous godless and joyless sodomy in a public park's toilet stall. Reputation restored!
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Crosspost from the Sillypoo thread. Click on it to read the whole post, it's a lengthy post about some revisionism about the police cracking down on a bunch of disgusting sodomites who had anonymous orgies in an underground public restroom in Ohio during the 1960s. Oh yeah, and murder and pedophilia.

No wonder that the police filled the damn things with dirt once everything was said and done.
 
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Silence of the Troons said:
Let's examine the part where he equates transphobes to the Nazis. The Nazis were not at all as anti-troon/cross-dressing as is portrayed by TRAs. For example, according to Magnus Hirschfeld's former colleague Ludwig Levy-Lenz, the reason they targeted the Hirschfeld institute was because it had records of nazi officials who had visited (courtesy of Litigious Li's archenemy Slatzism).
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Sounds familiar? To my knowledge, Litigious Li has not tried to burn down the house of any of the ”transphobes" who he's filed lolsuits against for exposing him, but he tries to figuratively burn down their lives by suing them into dirt.

Not to mention, the Nazis would've had a far bigger problem with Hirschfeld being gay and Jewish than with him running a clinic that focused on freak scientific research (which the Nazis themselves were no stranger to). I haven't seen any indications that Litigious Li hates Jews, but we know he hates real lesbians who won't bow down to him.

The Nazis conducted their own research into transgenderism and tranny surgeries, even post-WW2 (then as ”former" Nazis). For example, a 1955 paper by Claus Overzier, who worked on early tranny/DSD research, discusses a case study involving a TiM who had his legal sex changed to female under the nazi government, was sent to a Nazi ”mother school" to learn how to be a mother and was eventually allowed to adopt a foster child.
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Need to crosspost this into this thread.

The nazis were not anti-trans per say, they were specifically anti-gay, and they also wanted to destroy embarrassing records that the Hirschfeld institute had on high ranking nazi officials.
 
Aero the Alcoholic Bat said:
Need to crosspost this into this thread.

The nazis were not anti-trans per say, they were specifically anti-gay, and they also wanted to destroy embarrassing records that the Hirschfeld institute had on high ranking nazi officials.
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If the Nazis could have turned gay men into women and lesbians into men I seriously doubt they would have had any reservations. They pioneered hormone therapy both through human experimentation on camp inmates. Not only that, but a Nazi party member Adolf Butenandt was awarded the Nobel Prize for isolating and synthesizing progesterone and testosterone.

The Nazis hated homosexuality, but they clearly saw the value in certain gay people, they did not consider them to be unsalvageable from the ground up. Sex reassignment would have been an absolute godsend. No futzing around with therapy, no careful monitoring, just send them to the operating room and give them some pills and you've got a cure for homosexuality that doesn't turn them into useless vegetables.

And, hell, do you realize how useful actual sex reassignment would be for a war economy? Women produce good cannon fodder, but they don't make good cannon fodder. So if a woman isn't making babies then make her into a man and send her to the front. Oh, we're in peace right now and have a bunch of rowdy boys returning from the war? Turn them into girls and make a new, bigger generation. Tranny fantasies of actually effective gender-affirming care is exactly the kind of hare-brained non-scientific bullshit that the Nazis loved.
 
Years ago I found this channel: We Have Always Existed Transgender Ancient History. Rolls right off the tongue.

I haven't engaged with much of it, but someone else ITT will probably have a field day with this. Whoever wants to expend the effort can tear apart the shit he's spouting. That is, if you can stand to listen to an AGP creep doing a sex hotline voice. It's genuinely distracting.

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This right here is his profile pic. It's like he's trying to look like a maniac.
 
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