US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
General Trump Banner.png

Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I understand and agree with your principles, a Second American Civil War will definitely not resemble the First, in being a collection of sub-federal states going to battle. But I've never heard of a war where bullets flying and brothers dying meant cooler heads prevailed. A modern American Civil War would be apocalyptic, a breathing horror alive in blast, shot and blood. I accept the possibility of some phoney "Civil War" to allow for the emergency state as the completion of the "Womb to tomb" story of democratic liberalism, but it'd probably be more like Syria circa 2014.
American's are not Arabs.
 
Arthur C Clarke was a pedophile, Asimov died of AIDs from a blood transfusion
Yeah, both were still really top shelf authors. gods of science fiction. Phillip K dick was a skitzo, but he wrote some amazing stuff too.

Is there any real evidence for this? I can see it going both ways, but I've also seen interviews with his Sri Lankan staff denying the whole thing. Denying it after his death, mind you.
I don't think so, but it's been said A LOT.
 
Is there any real evidence for this? I can see it going both ways, but I've also seen interviews with his Sri Lankan staff denying the whole thing. Denying it after his death, mind you.

In recent months the science fiction and fantasy genres have begun to change their long tradition of ignoring uncomfortable truths. For example, the John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer was recently renamed the Astounding Award after 2019 winner Jeannette Ng pointed out the many issues surrounding Campbell’s beliefs and actions. And the renaming of the James Tiptree Jr. Award is also being considered because of actions taken by Alice Sheldon.

But missing from these discussions has been any concerns about the name of the Arthur C. Clarke Award, one of our genre’s biggest honors.

I began writing about this after hearing the award named for Clarke was sponsoring a national science fiction competition for young people. The problem? Clarke appears to have been a pedophile.

Before I go into all this, let me first say I take no joy in writing on this topic. I was one of Clarke's biggest fans for many decades. I even wrote this loving essay printed in The New York Review of Science Fiction and reprinted on SF Signal. But I refuse to ignore what has come out about Clarke in recent years.

First, some history. Clarke was known for being gay but was also very in the closet during a time when people often smeared gay people as pedophiles. This article goes into details about his personal life as a gay man.

Clarke lived most of the last half of his life in Sri Lanka. In 1998 Clarke was going to be knighted by the queen. In advance of this, the British tabloid The Sunday Mirror sent reporters to Sri Lanka to interview him. The resulting article went into great detail about Clarke having sex with young boys and even quoted him to this effect. The article also quoted three Sri Lankan men who claimed to have had sex with Clarke when they were young boys.

In response, Clarke threatened to sue. He claimed he’d said “nothing that I would've regretted if they'd quoted it accurately” and denied all of the accusations. Clarke also had many high-power defenders, including Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the Mirror’s rival UK tabloid The Sun. In a personal letter sent to Clarke, Murdoch reportedly threatened the reporters involved in the Clarke story, promising they’d never work in Fleet Street again.

Eventually the Mirror apologized, although I can’t tell whether or not they actually retracted the article and interview. Sri Lankan police investigated Clarke and said they didn’t find anything. And the Mirror, already known for sometimes unreliable journalism, didn’t gain any credibility when they failed to turn over the Clarke interview tapes to Interpol.

Clarke was knighted and, like many people, I assumed he’d been smeared as a pedophile because he was a closeted gay man. Again, this had happened to many gay men over the years.

But when Clarke died in 2008, the allegations were again mentioned. In an Agence France-Presse article, Clarke was quoted as saying that when all this came out in 1998 he was "disturbed to discover that there has been a long-standing conspiracy here in Sri Lanka to discredit [him] ... involving activists associated with child welfare organizations."

I can’t tell whether this quote from Clarke came from original reporting circa 1998 or was something Clarke said to Sri Lankan investigators back then which was then reported by Agence France-Presse in 2008, but either way it really stands out. Why would Sri Lankan child welfare organizations have gone after Clarke as he described? Unless they knew something others were ignoring.

And then in 2012 it came out that the Mirror had sent their reporters to Sri Lanka because they learned Murdoch’s paper The News of the World had “spiked an exclusive story exposing the science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke as a paedophile.” When the Mirror learned Murdoch’s paper wouldn’t publish the story because of his friendship with Clarke, they decided to go investigate it on their own.

Still, it was difficult to say all of this was proof that Clarke was indeed a pedophile. Yes, we have an article in a tabloid newspaper (which the paper later apologized for), plus lots of strange circumstances and disturbing rumors. But hardly proof.

But then I read Peter Troyer's very disturbing Vice essay, which came out in 2017 (second story at link).

By the time I finished Troyer's extremely personal account I was like, "Oh crap, it’s all true."

While Troyer doesn't name Clarke, it's obvious that's who he is describing. And the details in Troyer's account all match with aspects of Clarke’s life, not only in where it happened but also the time frame and how it happened.

So did Clarke admit in that original Mirror interview to being a pedophile? Without hearing the original tapes, it's hard to say. If that was the only evidence I'd likely go back to assuming all that was a smear against Clarke.

But then we return to Peter Troyer's own words about what Clarke did to him. When combined with all that was reported before, it's impossible to ignore that the original reporting on Clarke being a pedophile may have been correct.

Now that we're finally examining the issues around people like John W. Campbell, James Tiptree Jr., and Marion Zimmer Bradley, we should do the same for Clarke. Especially since a major genre award is named for him.

None of this changes how important Clarke’s stories were to my development as a writer or his impact on the field of science fiction. This doesn’t mean you can’t still love his books.

But the SF/F genre simply can’t ignore this issue any longer.
 
She’s a piece of shit but c’mon, having sympathy for people who choose to engage in that lifestyle is pointless. Junkies are scum and the civilized world would be better off if we shipped them all to an island in shark-infested waters and just dropped them food, water and fent until they all overdose and die.
>you’re a big meanie!
Okay then give them the fucking choice, rapid opiate detox plus random testing for life, or off to Courtney Love Island you go.
I know this nigger is dumb but it annoys me when even White people say "fentaNAWL".

I try not to overshare here but I'm an addict and you're right. The second and third and fourth and fifth chances we give people to "get clean" is bullshit. Narcan should be for the naive college kid who bought a fake Oxy or Adderall and accidentally OD'd. But of course it's turned into an insurance policy for addicts and thus is more of an enablement for bad behavior. Basically the only options are we start executing drug users and dealers like the Philippines did for a minute or we legalize it all and let the problem burn itself out.
 
I try not to overshare here but I'm an addict and you're right. The second and third and fourth and fifth chances we give people to "get clean" is bullshit. Narcan should be for the naive college kid who bought a fake Oxy or Adderall and accidentally OD'd. But of course it's turned into an insurance policy for addicts and thus is more of an enablement for bad behavior. Basically the only options are we start executing drug users and dealers like the Philippines did for a minute or we legalize it all and let the problem burn itself out.
so do you want to be killed
 
Arthur C Clarke was a pedophile, Asimov died of AIDs from a blood transfusion
The Clarke shit is going to be very hard to prove much of anything. He might have been, but it all seems to have come out posthumously. It's hard to pinpoint much of anything here.

I don't even remember how I first stumbled on it, may have been a Vox Day thing related to his butting heads with the Writer's Guild and publishing Moira Greyland's book, but I think I remember reading about it before hand. I don't think a big deal was made of it because he cut a deal with the Feds, flipping on tons of people. Part of the reason I get snippy about actual pedos and people tilting at animated windmills is that actual pedos do shit like Asimov here did. Epstein was using teenage girls for whatever the fuck the blackmail worked out to be, either money or just initiation into their sick club of elites, real pedos though? Think of how you get around attractive members of which sex you're into. Now imagine that, but aimed at prepubescent children with a coomer's intensity. It used to be Star Trek, now it's more Roblox and where ever else the real kids are.

The Sci-Fi/Fantasy community had and has a sex pest problem no one wants to talk about. Except good ol' Teddy, he's not all bad.
Oh yeah just look at the Marion Zimmer Bradley & Walter Breen Shit, or the David Eddings child abuse case, or just L. Rob Hubbard's fuckery. Hell, add on stuff like Samuel Delany's NAMBLA advocacy, Alice Sheldon's double suicide with her husband, and all the weird fucking stuff with Philip K. Dick who might have been fucking 16-18 year old hippy girls in the late 60s and throughout the 70s. Or how about Tolkein's pedophile son?

There's a lot of shit that's just dark and weird with the sci-fi and fantasy writer/creator world in the past century.

But, hey, the good writers are remembered. L. Ron Hubbard's stuff wasn't good enough to bypass his rep, which is probably why a ton of it is in used bookstore bins. Same with Marion Zimmer Bradley. Neil Gaiman may be going that way now too.
 
only if you promise to be a good goy

Seriously though, what you're proposing is noble but it sounds like you're advocating for someone to let you die
I'll be a good goy. But more seriously the way I look at it is if even a retard like me can quit hardcore drugs then I have no idea what value to society keeping the rest of these drug addicted retards around is worth.
 
Oh yeah just look at the Marion Zimmer Bradley & Walter Breen Shit, or the David Eddings child abuse case, or just L. Rob Hubbard's fuckery. Hell, add on stuff like Samuel Delany's NAMBLA advocacy, Alice Sheldon's double suicide with her husband, and all the weird fucking stuff with Philip K. Dick who might have been fucking 16-18 year old hippy girls in the late 60s and throughout the 70s. Or how about Tolkein's pedophile son?
Gene Wolfe chads stay winning.
 
What do you want to know? That's an extremely broad question about a broad category.
As in, if the US were to fly B2s over to China, would they be able to find them and shoot them down? Additionally, what do we know about their most modern missile interceptors (as in, how good at their job would they be against American missiles and how many are made yearly)?
 
I read this as you are a current addict rather than a former addict.
Once you become addicted it's too late for you. It's like opening Pandora's box. Once you're addicted you're addicted for life.

It's over. I wish I had just played donkey Kong 64 with my wigger friends in 2001 instead of my brothers meth pipe..who knows where my life could have gone, I could have been the son of a President.
 
She’s a piece of shit but c’mon, having sympathy for people who choose to engage in that lifestyle is pointless. Junkies are scum and the civilized world would be better off if we shipped them all to an island in shark-infested waters and just dropped them food, water and fent until they all overdose and die.
>you’re a big meanie!
Okay then give them the fucking choice, rapid opiate detox plus random testing for life, or off to Courtney Love Island you go.
Junkies are just awful. I dread having to take a piss in a large, beautiful train station near me because the bathroom is absolutely filled at all hours of the day with junkies talking to themselves, screaming in the bathroom stalls, laying on the floor, staring at their hands in the sink like zombies. Just build a barracks, round these people up, and detox them. Let me take a piss in peace.
 
Anything to tear down the competent authors of the past to make room for the mediocre authors of the present, I see. Kinda like when niggers tear down statues of White people.

It's funny how we're expected to separate the artist from the artwork (at least with today's "artists") but the sins of the dead always seem to come back to haunt them and taint their work and the art fags never seem to object.
 
Back
Top Bottom