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Should be a wild four years.

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I don't care about Dr. Robotnik's magic money machine
Care about it or not it is what the fed has always run on since the invention of the printing press
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Before that it was just people doing the same thing by hand.

What are they gonna do about it if it fails? I'll shoot them. Or the government will.
If you're nazi germany the former, if you're soviet russia the latter.

Then the magic number will magic itself to a lower number because none of it exists anyway.
That is indeed what happened in both of the above cases.
Magic is fucking awesome.
Unless you're the middle class yeah.
 
This is the only thing that has ever held up any monetary structure. I have my problems with the way the fed does things, but money being fake and gay isn't unique to this system nor is the concept remotely new. It has been understood since the time of ancient Greece.

Gold has no more inherent value than cloth with a presidents face on it does, or little stones with holes in them. There's no magic system that transforms gold into exactly what commodity you want, its value is based on how many other people want it and whether or not those people have the things you're trying to buy, how much, etc. Not to mention gold has pragmatic applications as a conductor so deciding "it is worth this much and always will be" is ignoring the reality of how trade works.

Like i said, ignoring the fiscal reality causes problems on its own, but there's an important distinction between the fiscal economy and the real economy, and the national debt is almost entirely fiscal which has a very ephemeral nature to it. Because this is a place for haha funny i use the term fake and gay to describe that.
Currency needs 2 things, Scarcity and agreed value, faith only covers half that. The reason gold or silver or beads or shells or big fuck off rock circles all work and have worked as currency because they are naturally scarce.

About 40 years we went off the gold standard with the FAITH that our federal government would maintain the scarcity, not just faith in the paper currency itself.

We are starting to see the very early stages of what happens when that faith is abused. This is unprecedented in human history, not just economic history, the whole worlds econmy is pegged to the dollar and for all they hay they make no nation really has the ability to "step off" this runaway train onto their own stable currency because doing that would signal to their entire population of wealthy people that their assests are about to no longer be valued on the "worlds economy" but on a local economy making them respond by sending all there assests overseas to avoid them being devalued and causing massive amounts of physical wealth to leave the nation.
 
This is the only thing that has ever held up any monetary structure.
no strictly true. Silver and gold are themselves valuable, and do not require faith in a central government. people are not easily fooled. when the Romans debased the Denarii in the 3rd century the government tried to silver plate base metal coins and try to pass them off to the populace as good money. it didn't do anything other than drive the real money out of circulation leading to hyper inflation and the collapse of fully monetized economy into one of bartering.

so useless were these debased coins that even 2,000 years later they not valuable. for less than 10 dollars you can have a very nicely preserved debased roman coin. for a silver Denarii you'll spend at least ~75 dollars for a worn down example. for a very nice Denarii you'll spend hundreds.
 
About 40 years we went off the gold standard with the FAITH that our federal government would maintain the scarcity, not just faith in the paper currency itself.
The amount of national debt has no direct dependency on how much money is being printed which is what you're talking about here. The only two major times overprinting occured were in the 2008 crash wit QE and covid. I do not believe either of those should have happened, but they weren't world ending amounts and both have almost course corrected. More importantly they don't have much to do with the debt. And i speak as somebody who had his family and life ruined by the 2008 crash, I want those people fed to sharks as much as anybody i assure you.
Currency needs 2 things, Scarcity and agreed value
Fixed scarcity isn't a good thing because it punishes people for actually spending money and contributing to society. The other ending of that stick is bankers being loan snakes but incentivizing everyone to sit on their money and do nothing causes the exact same problems. This caused the great depression and the french crash in the 18th century and a similar thing for spain in the 17th century.

~1.5% inflation is the perfect number that makes saving viable while also encouraging people to start a business, but even that depends on population growth which is why unchecked immigration and globalism fucks it all up.

Silver and gold are themselves valuable
Can you wear them as clothing? Because you CAN do that with cloth which is what dollars are made from.

Silver and gold do not have magic value, nothing does. Not everybody cares about shiny things, especially not when they're starving. Gold has value because everyone assumes everyone else will assume it has value, but that's no different from how dollar bills work.
 
Man WHY where illegals even on Medicaid on the first place?

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People really need to start calling Republicans Senators faggots to their face cause they let a white women libtard defeat their own bill.
Trump's administration has completely collapsed and it's all thanks to one AWFL who's name will be celebrated throughout history once Democrats inevitably take back power, and never lose it.

If it was to pass right now, is there still any big Ws we can take away from it? The tax reduction on tips sounds good still even if its not as good as it originally was.
There is nothing to be positive about. The MAGA agenda has been defeated.
 
Can you wear them as clothing? Because you CAN do that with cloth which is what dollars are made from.

Silver and gold do not have magic value, nothing does. Not everybody cares about shiny things, especially not when they're starving. Gold has value because everyone assumes everyone else will assume it has value, but that's no different from how dollar bills work.
Both are still useful industrially, but that's far removed from trading a shiny for a food and I feel like if society crashes so that people are trying to trade gold for goods, it won't be because they are trying to plate electronic contacts.
 
This thread is awfully quiet today. Could it be because of how completely BTFO the MAGA agenda has become? July 4th is gonna be a ghost town.

Everything lol!
Firearm regulations, no healthcare for illegals, no gender surgery on Medicare.


Don’t worry though! As any patriotic American will be relieved to hear, funding for Israel and a trillion dollar defense budget is untouched!
It's official. This administration is worse than Biden.
 
I feel like if society crashes so that people are trying to trade gold for goods, it won't be because they are trying to plate electronic contacts.
This is exactly my point. They're not trading for gold because of its pragmatic uses but because of the illusion that it's the thing everyone else will accept as currency, the faith in it.

But, in an advance society it, like everything else can be used in pragmatic things which means its value fluctuates.

And not every roving survivalist band is going to risk trading their SpaghettiOs for your gold bars if they don't think the next band of people they meet will care about gold.

All value is relative and currency derives its value from the assumption that other people will accept it. There's no perfect solution to this problem.
 
With friends like these, who needs enemies?

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L / A

The Trump admin needs a Hail Mary yesterday. Otherwise all of us will be rotting in prison for life in six years for hate speech.
 
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