Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[FamicomGorby]

Even if he pays the sanctions, the lawsuit has so many ground on which to be dismissed, I can't even remember them all. If this lawsuit isn't dismissed by July 1st, then the American justice system will truly be the joke everyone thinks it is.

Off the top of my head

1. Judge still has to rule on Hardin's latest motion to dismiss. Hardin has to file a reply in support of that by tomorrow.
2. Hardin has two pending motions for sanctions against Greer.
3. Greer never provided the restraining order application that the court told him to get. Court still hasn't issued any kind of order regarding that.

If it were any other case then we could definitively say it'd be over soon but apparently anything is impossible in this case. Not that the case could go anywhere with Greer having no evidence or witnesses. I'm sure Hardin has brought it up in one of his filings, but I just cannot get how the magistrate and judge in this case just ignore that Greer literally has zero way to present a case if this were to theoretically go to trial.

 

[obsdj]

Don't forget the IFP fraud. As we've discussed before, the statute says the case SHALL be dismissed if it's determined the allegation of poverty was untrue.

 

[HackerX]

I'd guess Greer would just try to appeal it again, even though he has no idea how to actually do that

It hasn't failed him yet. Russ is like a retarded, drooly puppy raised to be unintentionally motivated to do retarded shit. Why not just ignore, motion to reconsider, and/or appeal everything when he's arguably faced only a single negative consequence over the last 5 years? Especially when he hasn't even faced it yet about 4 months after it happened???

I get that courts, especially federal courts, are slow creatures, but how does it take 5 years (on a case that hasn't even started discovery btw) for the judges to just now initiate the 'boil the frog in water' approach? How the hell do they even expect it to work when it takes the court 3-4 months to order anything anyways?

FFS, the case only moves forward when the court is holding Russ's hand, so how does anyone expect this thing to get to trial in the first place? Much less through trial. I hope someone estimates the tax dollars spent on this shit after it's all said and done. Just so I have a rough idea for when I laugh manically and blow my brains out.

He'll probably desperately email the DJF lawyers again to bring it back to the 10th circuit.

God, I'd love to see those frantic emails. Russ was shot down by the Winnemucca city council lady over asking for legal advice and that she just a rando he'd been emailing about rezoning for his whore house.

The DJF lawyers were people who had helped Russ in the past so I can only imagine the all the things he's sent them. I vaguely remember the last correspondence, between Russ and the lawyers, that was published (because Russ thought the email would help him gain pity or something) was them essentially saying "we'd love to help you but you need to pay us". How many dozens and dozens more emails were sent? Do you think those guys keep up with the case at all? Or keep up with Russ's antics considering they saw how much of a retard he is first hand?

He fires back rapidly, sometimes on the same day, with precise citations that would take hours to dig up. At the very least, he is keeping track of specific facts of record along with the direct citations to them, and I suspect he sometimes pre-drafts responses knowing exactly what ratface is going to do.

Null and Harden should come to some form of an agreement to auction off whatever memorabilia that they could drum up from this case. Like their autographs from Russ's Hitler picture or Harden's handwritten notes from the May 6th hearing. I guarantee there is a small, niche, an autistic market for it.

Russhole would benefit greatly from a savage beating with a crowbar.

Russ is an excellent case for why school bullying is necessary. Early and often.

I'm sure Hardin has brought it up in one of his filings, but I just cannot get how the magistrate and judge in this case just ignore that Greer literally has zero way to present a case if this were to theoretically go to trial.

At this point, I assume they want it to get to trial so they can figuratively pants Russell in the courtroom.

Don't forget the IFP fraud. As we've discussed before, the statute says the case SHALL be dismissed if it's determined the allegation of poverty was untrue.

If the judges simply ignore it then nothing SHALL happen. I imagine they'll say Harden got what he wanted when they forced Russ to pay the filing and pretend that every filing that references IFP (or IPF) doesn't exist.

 

[Napoleon III]

Don't forget the IFP fraud. As we've discussed before, the statute says the case SHALL be dismissed if it's determined the allegation of poverty was untrue.

Yeah Hardin moved to unseal the IFP application to look for IFP fraud but the court never ruled on it if I understand correctly.

You could read a lot into the court not ruling on it, but my thought is the court is going to dismiss anyway but you could also make a convincing argument that the court isn't going to dismiss or at least doesn't want to.

Only time will tell.

I'd guess Greer would just try to appeal it again, even though he has no idea how to actually do that and only got there last time cause of the DJF. He'll probably desperately email the DJF lawyers again to bring it back to the 10th circuit.

The thing is Greer would have to pay the appeal fee which is $605. Hardin getting Greer to not be IFP anymore is so good because it is expensive to appeal now.

Even if he pays the sanctions, the lawsuit has so many ground on which to be dismissed, I can't even remember them all. If this lawsuit isn't dismissed by July 1st, then the American justice system will truly be the joke everyone thinks it is.

Tbf the court might take a little bit to write out a decision even if it is dismissal.

He fires back rapidly, sometimes on the same day, with precise citations that would take hours to dig up. At the very least, he is keeping track of specific facts of record along with the direct citations to them, and I suspect he sometimes pre-drafts responses knowing exactly what ratface is going to do.

It's crazy you know the amount of skill and dedication you need just to defend against retards. Dealing with retarded lawsuits should not require someone as capable as Hardin honestly.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

Don't forget the IFP fraud. As we've discussed before, the statute says the case SHALL be dismissed if it's determined the allegation of poverty was untrue.

I don't know if the judge is going to want to put as much time into going down that route as it almost certainly requires more work than he'll want to put into it when there are already several other avenues to dispose of this case more easily. The judge already threatened case ending sanctions if Greer did not produce a copy of the restraining order application which he proclaimed he was eager to do and Greer already blew past that deadline. Unlike the district judge who set another deadline for Russ to miss, the magistrate didn't say anything. Everyone knows that when dad is threatening to law down the law that he's pissed, but it's when he's gone quiet that they're really in trouble.

The judge could certainly add that to his reasoning for dismissing the case, if only to make sure that it doesn't come back on appeal again, but it would really require him to unseal Greer's initial IFP application and some additional argument by Hardin to solidify it. The magistrate judge just seems to be completely done with the case at this point and is going through the motions until he can dismiss the case. Hopefully, additional sanctions are placed on Greer and this time the district judge decides not to step in and reduce them without any legal basis for doing so.

While Hardin's reply will no doubt be great, I'm looking forward to Greer's responses later this week. His excuses always remind me of a small child that's been caught in an obvious lie, but isn't intelligent enough to understand why the lie isn't working.

 

[obsdj]

The thing is Greer would have to pay the appeal fee which is $605. Hardin getting Greer to not be IFP anymore is so good because it is expensive to appeal now.

It's not all that much money, and he will no doubt rationalize it in his mind by reminding himself that the filing fee goes to the court, not into the evil stalker pockets of Hardin and Null. He'll definitely choke on it but I think he will do it. You know. For justice.

 

[Napoleon III]

It's not all that much money, and he will no doubt rationalize it in his mind by reminding himself that the filing fee goes to the court, not into the evil stalker pockets of Hardin and Null. He'll definitely choke on it but I think he will do it. You know. For justice.

It would be a test of whether Greer likes going after the Kiwifarms or brothels/hookers more. In trying times men's souls are tested but usually not over something this frivolous.

 

[HackerX]

It's crazy you know the amount of skill and dedication you need just to defend against retards. Dealing with retarded lawsuits should not require someone as capable as Hardin honestly.

It helps when the court liberally construes Russ's retardbabble in the most positive way imaginable. It's what makes this case particularly bizarre because I'm sitting here thinking "well, if they're gonna do this, what the hell is the point in hiring an attorney?"

Seriously, the entire reasoning for having a lawyer do this shit is that they better understand the law and know how to interpret it properly. Plus all the nuance involved with correctly filing motions, formatting arguments, referencing cases, etc., but here you have Russell Greer screeching through several hundred fillings with an ungodly amount of typos or poor grammar without any negative reprocrussions.

I know a partial explanation for Russ getting a pass for his behavior, especially at the 10th circuit, is the defendant's relationship with Kiwi Farms, a website, but Jesus. The courts are sending a message that you don't need a lawyer as long as you pretend to be a retard, which you would think that is the type of person who you'd absolutely want to have a lawyer.

The judge already threatened case ending sanctions if Greer did not produce a copy of the restraining order application which he proclaimed he was eager to do and Greer already blew past that deadline. Unlike the district judge who set another deadline for Russ to miss, the magistrate didn't say anything. Everyone knows that when dad is threatening to law down the law that he's pissed, but it's when he's gone quiet that they're really in trouble.

We shall see. The magistrate more than implied at the May 6th hearing that dismissal was on the table if Russ didn't get the application to Harden, but it's ultimately up to the district judge no matter what. Lo and behold, not only didn't Russ fail to get the application to Harden AFTER requesting (and receiving) an extension, but he's still arguing about being forced to do it when he was the one who used the existence of the document in the first place!!!

Now, I'm a retard that makes assumptions based on common sense, but I have to imagine the district judge and magistrate are pretty tuned in to each other as far as cases they're both on since the magistrate is essentially speaking for the district judge. With the magistrate on the May 6th hearing saying "do this you retard or the case could get dismissed" and the most recent order from the district judge saying "you shall pay the sanction, or else, stalker child" I have to believe both judge are aware of the situation at this point. That they've both given Russ a zillion opportunities while he's continued being willfully recalcitrant on every fucking little thing.

Who the hell knows. I love the entertainment but then I remember that tax dollars are being used for this. I guess it could be worse though. It could be money spent on tranny shit.

It would be a test of whether Greer likes going after the Kiwifarms or brothels/hookers more. In trying times men's souls are tested but usually not over something this frivolous.

We shall see. Russ's entire MO is asking for forgiveness rather than permission and then raising a fuss when people start looking deeper into what he was asking to forgive. He was able to get by like that his entire adult life because he drools with his broken face and people felt bad for him, so no one bothered to question him since they assumed he's legitimately retarded.
Then everything began to unravel when people started investigating his shenanigans.

Personally, if there's significant cost to appeal, I don't see it happen. Not for lack of want. Just that he has to view this specific case as a lost cause if it gets dismissed. Even if he were to win the appeal, all that does is earn him the right to start back at square one all over again. Then there's all the cost associated with that. Costs he can't screech his way out of by IFP (or IPF) no matter how much he wants.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

We shall see. The magistrate more than implied at the May 6th hearing that dismissal was on the table if Russ didn't get the application to Harden, but it's ultimately up to the district judge no matter what. Lo and behold, not only didn't Russ fail to get the application to Harden AFTER requesting (and receiving) an extension, but he's still arguing about being forced to do it when he was the one who used the existence of the document in the first place!!!

If ever there was a time for some sort of financial sanction, surely Russ essentially telling both judges to go fuck themselves (by not supplying the demanded documents) should be it?

I have the feeling the judge will dismiss the case and claim everything else is therefore moot, including the non-production of documents and Hardin’s latest two requests for sanctions. One the plus side, no more stupid court case and financial outlay for Null, on the negative side, no financial payback, even if just a little bit, for all the extra work Null has had to pay Hardin to do because of Greee’s bulshittery.

I really don’t like the legal system, after seeing all this.

 

[AnOminous]

It's crazy you know the amount of skill and dedication you need just to defend against retards. Dealing with retarded lawsuits should not require someone as capable as Hardin honestly.

Dealing with pro se retards can actually be more difficult than dealing with competent counsel, because their retardation literally complicates everything. Everyone has to operate around the mental impairments of the retard instead of just moving forward to a conclusion.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

I don't know if the judge is going to want to put as much time into going down that route as it almost certainly requires more work than he'll want to put into it when there are already several other avenues to dispose of this case more easily.

The thing is, a judge should be REQUIRED to investigate any potential fraud upon the court itself. If they don't, it just becomes one big pathetic joke regarding the impotence of the system of justice here in America.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

To be fair to Russell, the 10th circuit and the tard guards have only strengthened his delusions.

Given that some significant portion of the KF thread-readers don't understand how the "assume everything the plaintiff said is true" part of early dismissal checks works, it would be an absolute miracle if Russ did.

He goes from a part of the case where everything he writes is presumed true to one where he has to provide ebidance and depositions and shit? That's fuckin' cruel, mate.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Make my day, Russell.

 

[Harambe]

well, if they're gonna do this, what the hell is the point in hiring an attorney?"

you hire a lawyer if you intend to litigate and win. you file pro se if you intend to spend years objecting to basic discovery requests and racking up debt from sanctions

pretending to be retarded never works. it didn't work for odysseus, it didn't work for Forrest Gump, it didn't work for Phoenix Wright in that lame ass fourth Phoenix Wright game

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Don't forget the IFP fraud. As we've discussed before, the statute says the case SHALL be dismissed if it's determined the allegation of poverty was untrue.

Unfortunately, Russell was forthcoming and upfront in the May 6th hearing about "Yeah, I can pay it" I suspect precisely so he could point to it and say "See? I never lied! When the Judge asked If I could afford it I said so right away!"

Hence why Hardin is trying to prove Russell lied to get IFP in the first place, but I fear Russ is also telling the truth that he outlined all his finances from the beginning and the Judge just said "I don't wanna read that shit!" and auto approved, in which case, there really never was any fraud on the court, and it was all only ever the Judge's fault

 

[Watching Rekieta]

It would be a test of whether Greer likes going after the Kiwifarms or brothels/hookers more. In trying times men's souls are tested but usually not over something this frivolous.

Not since People vs. Larry Flynt have we seen the intersection of publishing, whores and the disabled converge in Federal Court like this. In the next week we will learn if Russell Greer is the main character in this underdog-beats-the-man dramatic mini-series or if he is merely the quirky comic relief in Rekieta lolcow-of-the-year threepeat. I think it's already been mentioned in SCOTUS stuff.

All kidding aside, I do hope this case brings more attention to vexatious litigants. KF is an easy target but those legal bills are real. Hardin needs to eat and Greer can't feed him even if Null prevails. Four years and not even venue seems certain.

 

[BrainProlapse]

It's time to pay up drool boy!

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's!

 

[Irene and 22 others]

you hire a lawyer if you intend to litigate and win. you file pro se if you intend to spend years objecting to basic discovery requests and racking up debt from sanctions

That's what happened, but in Greer's mind he was going to save a lot of money by putting his legal education to good use because he's an amazing lawyer just like he's an incredible musician and a world class businessman. None of this turned out the way he envisioned and you can see him still continue to claw desperately at failed positions such as the SPO, which both judges ruled on months ago and reminded Greer of multiple times since as he continues to harp on over it.

Russel intended to explain to the judge how mean Joshua Moon and the Kiwi Farms are and for the judge to say that Greer wins a million dollars because hurting a disabled man's feelings on the Internet is a serious violation of copyright. None of that may make much sense to you or I, but I can practically guarantee you that's how it played out in Greer's mind. To him victory was a foregone conclusion and he was already thinking of how he would spend the money to build his brothel.

 

[enamelled toothbrush]

Today is the day! That check better be in the mail, russtard!

 

[Harvey Danger]

Today is the day! That check better be in the mail, russtard!

"Plaintiff did send a check in the mail, but apparently he sent it to the wrong address in Germany. This was honestly a goof and not fraud, because Plaintiff truly did believe opposing council is Hitler and so the address was valid. PLAINTIFF IS TRYING HIS BEST. However now that it's late anyway, Plaintiff would like to request another extension until he can appeal everything the judge said this last week."