But even then the Christians didn't establish a proper Christian state. in many ways it was just a Christian king. But it's hard to compare modern states to anything pre- treaty of Westphalia.
>It was a state run by Christians
Pretty sure that makes it a "Christian state" buddy. If we're going to say we are only talking about "modern states" then you're saying the Kingdom of Judea wasn't a "Jewish state" because it predated Westphalian Nation States. This is silly.
The Byzantine empire was more of a Christian state than Jerusalem ever was, and I'm ignoring the whole "eastern Roman empire" part.
If you take orders from the Holy see your not exactly a sovereign state. It's like saying that the Utah territory was a Mormon state
By what metric? By demographics? What does "eastern Roman empire part" have to do with anything? Having a patriarch? The Kingdom of Jerusalem came with a Latin Patriarch that's still there, not to mention the Greek and Armenian Patriarchs who were there. So by what metric?
What orders? The papacy didn't have more control over the crusader states than than any of the European kingdoms, largely less so. This is like saying the Kingdom of France wasn't sovereign because they had to consider the stance of the Pope. Is America not sovereign because it has to consider the stance of Israel when acting in the Middle East? Is this really a line of argument you want to take?
It's like saying that the Utah territory was a Mormon state
Not like they didn't try, both
politically and with
armed conflict with the Federal government. Perhaps you are just not well equipped for this discussion.
The Kingdom of Jerusalem wasn't exactly self sufficient and still had to answer to Rome.
This is such a hilarious "don't throw stones from glass houses" misfire that should never be taken by a supporter of Israel. Holy shit dude, how subsidized by the European states were the Crusader states compared to Israel's relationship with the United States?
I hope we can have a state in the middle east that is for the Christians what Israel is for the Jews. Not just religiously Christian but culturally Christian too. I imagine if they have good a relationship with Israel (which I have no reason to think otherwise would happen) visiting the holy sites under Israeli control won't be an issue. Again I think we should let the Christians take Gaza or southern Lebanon. Fuck if the Jews could basically create Israel with private funding and land purchases the Christians can definitely do that in southern Lebanon.
In practical terms, the only solution would be an ambivalent outside imperial force holding the whole of the levant and not giving the locals full autonomy. None of the local groups are responsible enough to handle it on their own without retarded internecine wars flaring up.
