US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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It depends. Iran could retaliate through closing that strait where oil ships and will probably further their backing of terror groups and will likely attempt more bombings of US military bases and Israel. Now, this could further escalate all the way to boots on the ground or it could end up being the peak of it right now or anywhere in between
The US have already demonstrated that we are more than capable of smiting targets within Iran's boarder. If this does escalate, what would boots on the ground accomplish that an air war couldn't?
 
Also leftist Van Jones on CNN thinks this was a fantastic move by the US, does that compute for you? How could someone who hates Trump possibly applaud him for something like this in your cartoon black-and-white moral view of the world?
CNN hosts say things because it provokes people (not very many, but a few) to keep watching CNN hosts say things. Same goes for hosts on "The View".
 
Van Jones is stupid even for a liberal. Ignore him at all costs. I saw a lot of leftists screaming about how much he sucks lately, and he has no friends on the right either.
What a revealing little dodge, so a retarded guy thinks this strike you're all defending is great, and you don't see the problem there?
 
Cmon man I hate this. It’s like when people refuse to give a yes or no answer to questions that are simply yes or no. If I have to hear a response that begins with “wellll….” from commentators I just switch the channel
Answering hypotheticals is cucked because the questioner is trying to drag the conversation away from reality and into his make believe head canon which by definition isn't real. Reality gives us plenty to talk about. Only someone losing an argument would want to reframe the line of questioning away from what's real. It is rhetorical cuckery to be led astray from a winning position.
 
You literally have the mind of a child "If people I don't like say bad = good"

The media is "freaking out" because they 1) know war is coming 2) know it's good for ratings.

Also leftist Van Jones on CNN thinks this was a fantastic move by the US, does that compute for you? How could someone who hates Trump possibly applaud him for something like this in your cartoon black-and-white moral view of the world?
No, I just have that weird ability to remember things that happened months, sometimes even years ago. When the entire deep state tried to pull him in syria and wanted to go to iran over soleimani, we didn't because Trump want peace and deals. I trust him on this because he's actually walked the walk on no sandpit wars during his 45 stint.
 
I know I rail about Gell-Mann amnesia a lot, but it's fucking true. "Oh my God, an unnamed source at the NYT or WSJ said something, it must be true, even though they're lying scumbags!" It's like people arguing with Team Blue fans and forgetting that Team Blue gave Iran Billions of dollars that Iran then used to fund terrorists and probably some of the explosives that killed US soldiers. Team Blue has exactly zero moral authority to talk about Iran, because the people they voted for actively helped create the situation we find ourselves in now.

I wonder if Gell-Mann amnesia is worse in autists and spergs, since they don't process non-literal language well?
average kiwi farms user has trouble understanding the nature of power. this is a gossip site, not one to discuss philosophy, and if you actually point out the hypocrisy, you will get downvoted to oblivion before your post gets deleted by an admin, so it's no different then reddit. the same troglodyte brainlets that get mad at immigrants will support their military despite immigrants being the ones that prop up their shit hole country while the military spends billions on creating their thousandth "base" around russia and china while accusing them of being a threat to the lives of americans. peak dystopia where everything you're taught is the opposite. the government isn't there to protect you, the pharmaceutical companies aren't there to cure diseases, and the military isn't there to protect the country.

War is a racket by general smedley butler reveals the game being played.

America/Saudi Arabia/Israel and all their european allies are complicit in the scheme, and it's power protecting power. And those without power, end up like palestine.

The goyim that are non-stop jew shilling are as retarded as the brain dead muslims that support (freedom fighters/terrorists) throwing their lives away. It's as futile as Ukraine comitting suicide by going to war against russia. Which, if you actually supported ukraine, you wouldn't have encouraged their suicidal attack. The irony is that everything can be solved with violence, but the ones capable enough are chasing ghosts because real power brokers don't reveal themselves so easily. The CEO's of companies are all just replaceable pawns. and the corporation itself is only an investment vehichle used to maintain a fraction of power by its owners.

The bare bones truth is that if you're capable of killing someone without batting an eye, then you have more power than 99% of the people out there, which is why you're immediately locked up by the system. because you pose an actual threat.
Look at all the politicial assassinations that have occured throughout the past 100 years. Murder is the only real form of power. everything else is an illusion built on ideology.
 

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The US have already demonstrated that we are more than capable of smiting targets within Iran's boarder. If this does escalate, what would boots on the ground accomplish that an air war couldn't?
Same thing with Iraq. Regime change or something like that.

I don't think we will get boots on the ground. I also hope I am right and hopefully this is the end of this shit
 
I already did tell you. I know you're not very smart, but surely you can read a few sentences.

You fell for it when you said Trump was a president of peace and would not get us into any wars, and now you're doubling down :story: You just keep digging yourself deeper here. I recommend some self reflection but I know you'll just double down and continue to say that your life is shitty because of brown people and not billionaires robbing you blind
*Billionaires (and the government) use brown people to rob you blind.
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(I know the "A Dollar's Worth" chart is supposed to indicate the severity of leaving the gold standard, but it completely neglects the period between 1971-1990 when mass unemployment came as a result of mass corporate offshoring that came with China opening up to the West, which lead to Reagan tax cuts, which weren't countered with decreased spending either which lead to debt, which lead to printing and so on.)

Immigration drives up potential workers to any given area, which should lead to lower wages. Minimum wage was only meant to be act as the floor when it was implemented in places like France and Denmark and the USA, not the minimum companies can get away with paying their workers. In America in the 60s, minimum wage was $1 an hour. The average pay for people was $2.32. The idea of a company paying more than minimum wage for low-skilled work is unthinkable nowadays but it was the norm once upon a time.

Implementing higher minimum wages became a necessity when the market-determined minimum wage was driven so low that people were left with very little in the way of disposable income (which also negatively impacted the market too since it meant fewer consumers), so in raising it they negatively impacted smaller companies to uplift the larger companies that could take the hit. But to justify it being as low as it was, there was a weird hybrid between the market-determined model of wage determination and government mandated minimum wage, where the government allows in tens of thousands to over supply the country with potential workers which justifies them and the companies keeping it low. Using the past as a precedent (Europe and America) companies would be on average paying double the current minimum wage, but there's no justification or reason on their end to do so since there's no competition for low-skilled work.

If you're left-wing and care about workers* (the same way the right-wing cares about the wellbeing of their country*), you should be opposed to immigration as it's also a tool of the colloquial billionaires you despise.

*in theory

Musk and the potential mindset shift: I think Musk and the other tech bros H1B1 support may show a shift in corporate attitudes, since tech companies pay a shit ton more to higher skilled employees without having too many lower-skilled ones employed, so they'd rather drive down the wages of high-skilled work instead by having domestic, high-skilled workers be forced to compete with foreign labour pools.

Trump the billionaire and how he differs from other billionaires (from a cynical POV): Trump's business career was mostly in shit like real estate, casinos and the like, which don't really rely on the mass use of cheap foreign labour to mass manufacture goods for sale like most other corporations - so Trump's interests can be perceived as going against the grain of some the other billionaires. However some factors that increase the value of his assets, such as real estate, relies on property values increasing which constant immigration does. On the other hand, decreasing the population via deportations and decreasing immigrants numbers may lead to jobs outnumbering people in some places which can force corporations to increase wages to compete, so... sort of a wild card, even assuming he was purely profit-driven and had no sincere love for his country in him. His tariffs only harm companies that rely on cheap labour, so forcing them to move may force China to implement radical policies assume mass unemployment followers, which in-turn makes them West-tier in terms of where to put your manufacturing. Since this doesn't affect Trump, he couldn't give a shit.

It's not purely the billionaire's and corporation's fault: (I know people (mostly Boomer larpers and such) like to use a derivative of the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" argument for why people should work for shit pay, but there's a reason nobody wants to work a job (regardless of skill level) that has already had its potential wage driven down by decades of bloating the local worker supply through immigration, which also eliminated the primary purpose for working for a lot of people once (to buy a house for the family) because it also drove up property prices. Governments in the West had to compete internationally with developing states for jobs for their people, which meant foster business-friendly conditions whilst also making sure those businesses they're trying to bring back aren't dissuaded by new competition, hence regulations doing more to fuck over smaller businesses than larger ones. The Free Market includes the entire world now as a result of increased globalism, which also means domestic workers are competing with foreign labour for things such as manufacturing and shit like customer support. Countries lowering corporation tax, flooding their own countries with foreigners and protecting bigger international corporations at the expense of smaller domestic businesses can be viewed as the state negotiating with these interests to keep some of their corporations value (jobs, consumer goods, etcetera) in the country, even if said state also created the conditions that made them leave to begin with.)
 
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The US have already demonstrated that we are more than capable of smiting targets within Iran's boarder. If this does escalate, what would boots on the ground accomplish that an air war couldn't?
Bro we're you just asleep during the early 2000s? We said literally the same fucking thing about Iraq, until "Shock and Awe" didn't immediately overthrow Saddam, and we had to involve ourselves, and then we got Saddam and it STILL wasn't over because now with a power vacuum a million little insurgent groups popped up.

You don't think the same trajectory is gonna follow in a country 3x bigger than Iraq, and 10x as religously fanatical?
 
I've almost always been right, little guy. Your "president of peace" just bombed Iran for Israel. If boots do end up the ground, it'll be hysterical to watch you backtrack on this and continue to slobber Trump's knob like you seem to lust after.
''I've almost always been right'' except this time, and all the times before it. Takes a lot of chutzpah to lie so unconvincingly yet continue doing it.
 
Answering hypotheticals is cucked because the questioner is trying to drag the conversation away from reality and into his make believe head canon which by definition isn't real. Reality gives us plenty to talk about. Only someone losing an argument would want to reframe the line of questioning away from what's real. It is rhetorical cuckery to be led astray from a winning position.
Well the first half I can’t deny and have to agree with
 
Holy shit my guy. Did you ever play spies as a kid? Do you not know how military intelligence works?

You cannot just "extract" spies like that. This is an active and ever changing combat scenario. The scenario is hot. Your informants have to stay informing. You cannot just extract them whenever you want. You cannot just do a "tell all" whenever you want. Why? Because chances are the American military have informants in the same positions across the globe. When I reveal how I infiltrate one facility, I reveal how I infiltrated every single other similar facility to every other enemy. Like, holy fuck man. I am glad you are not running our military. Your bone headed decisions would get us blown up. Use your head for a god damned moment and THINK. Think, babydunk, THINK.
Show us "we know nothing, it's all carefully guarded secrets" is positive evidence to you that Iran was going to detonate a nuclear weapon in an offensive capacity
 
Answering hypotheticals is cucked because the questioner is trying to drag the conversation away from reality and into his make believe head canon which by definition isn't real. Reality gives us plenty to talk about. Only someone losing an argument would want to reframe the line of questioning away from what's real. It is rhetorical cuckery to be led astray from a winning position.
DAVID DAVID DAVID what if Anne Frank had the opportunity to kill Hitler, but the ONLY way for her to pull the trigger was for you to answer a short series of 3 hypotheticals?
 
I sincerely hope all the nothing-ever-happens posters are correct. I cannot begin to express how much I don't want us to go to war with Iran.

It's all so fucking tiresome.
I really want to look back and make fun of myself for overreacting about this. But war with Iran really seems inevitable. We'll just have to wait and see if the Ayatollah cucks out or not.
 
One is an actual ally as opposed to a parasite.

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You guys really need to drop it with the USS liberty shit, it comes across as desperate and hurts your cause so effectively it may as well be a mossad psyop.

The amount of skeevy lawyers, corrupt politicians, pozzed academics and so on who are members of the tribe and infest our institutions and culture is a good angle and one that genuinely gets me to raise my eyebrows even though i'm not convinced it's a grand conspiracy.

But a boat that got hit 50 fucking years ago in a friendly fire incident in the middle of a warzone at a time when naval hailing relied on HF and morse code is such a nothing burger if you know anything about naval combat.

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Friendly fire happens constantly, 30% of american deaths in the gulf war were friendly fire, we shot a UK plane down by accident as well as 2 of our own FA-18s, there was that incident where we bombed canadians in afghanistan, turkey shelled our troops in the early stages of the iraq invasion, and that's all on LAND. Listing naval friendly fire would take ages.

The liberty was operating in egyptian waters during a war where israel was fighting for their lives against 5 opponents, they had just hit an egyptian destroyer in the same area 2 days prior, and again naval communication largely came down to looking out the damn window and there were no IFFs back then. Not to suck israel off too hard but the liberty should not have been there unnannounced, by modern, or even 1990s standards of naval procedure the liberty would have never been operating in those waters because it was frankly dangerous to be there whether o not you think the war was justified.

TLDR If you want to bring young uns onto your jew seethe bandwagon focus on the snakes who infest our institutions because they can actually relate to that: Lawyers who defend savage animals, professors who teach marxism, directors who ruin movies, NGOs who bail rioters out, and bankers who fund wokeshit and so on. Seething about a research vessel from decades before any of them were born comes across as an old man wagging his cane at a cloud. It would be like somebody telling you in your youth not to like nintendo because the japanese attacked pearl harbor, you just wouldn't care.
 
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